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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 04:10 PM
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I care what happens in Iran. I feel NO NEED WHATEVER to get *involved* in Iran.
Can someone explain to me the repubicans' need to get involved?

I think they're sick fucks (<---- repubicans), but I remain open minded.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 04:12 PM
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1. It's the same reason Bomber Libs have to get involved.
So the Iranians don't fuck it up. :eyes:
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 04:13 PM
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2. well, given their track record on everything else including gay marriage and
a woman and her doctor.... ummm... i just think they like to stick their nose in to other people's business. see, I can look at my own desire to help my friends who have problems as a for instance. It is much easier to try to 'fix' other people's problems than to have to tackle your own. I think that is a big part of it. Plus, there is the added idea that some have that the United States has to be daddy to everyone else and tell them what to do.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 04:14 PM
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3. They like pushing other people around, and ignoring their own problems.
Also: war is good for business... and apparently some people get off on acting macho. It makes me sick, personally. For me, macho = obsolete, primitive BS.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 04:14 PM
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4. Certainly there's nothing genuine about their "concern"
The only thing I can come up with is that they want to goad Obama into stepping into something that he ought to stay clear of, so that they can later criticize him for whatever he does or doesn't do.

It's actually been nauseating to hear the repukes pretend that they really care about the Iranians.
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steelmania75 Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 04:15 PM
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5. I care and support those who are revolting too, but we don't need to get involved in their affairs
We have our own problems here in the US.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 04:15 PM
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6. To justify their neocon philosophy
I have been hearing commentary on the news from the usual suspects (Scarborough, Repub Senate and House members, etc) that what is going on in Iran is linked to what happened in Iraq. Gee, they whisper, as bad as Iraq was, gee, maybe we were right and Iran and Lebanon and Syria and all those countries are going to finally become Jeffersonian Democracies. Long live Bush the Liberator, he was right, Iran proves it.

These lying bastards are desperate to salvage something from their lethal philosophy. These people who believe wholeheartedly in the use of torture, illegal spying on domestic citizens and spending trillions of dollars on a war of choice actually accused Barack Obama of having a problem with "moral clarity."

The game here for the Repubs is to get some backdoor approval of what happened in Iraq. They still want to be known as the Great Liberators of the Arab world and the Middle East. They don't give a damn about Iran or the Iranian people, they just want a way to resurrect their failed and murderous philosophies.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 04:20 PM
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7. They want to "get involved" to ensure that Ahmadi stays in power.
You can't keep the Military-Industrial-Congressional complex stoked if there's diplomacy afoot, now can you?

They need Ahmadi as their own "Great Satan" to have someone to rail against.

It's quite obvious.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 04:21 PM
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8. When McMore goes on the Senate floor and claims to care about Iranians
you have to know they're all full of sh!t.
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 04:23 PM
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9. Getting involved in Iran would be insane...
We have already lost our collective marbles by being in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Imperial nation must spend every tax payers last penny for the WAR MACHINE, fuck health care and everything else!!

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 04:23 PM
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10. Because they're not the world's policeman goddammit!
That's the part that makes me crazy. How can a group of people be so disjointed and not be able to recognize it.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 04:28 PM
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11. The only one reason they get involved in anything:
they must see $$$$$$ in it.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 04:28 PM
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12. I don't either. Democracy has to come from within and not on the end of a weapon.
The republicans are asshats, what's new! If we got too involved, the Supreme Leader would be able to point towards American involvement and then the movement might dissapate. This might be what the Republicans want. How else would we be able to go to war or bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran? They have oil and access to routes to export oil.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 04:31 PM
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13. Repuke dominance in the latter ½ of 20th c. started w/ a fake outrage-fest called WHO LOST CHINA!?!
Edited on Fri Jun-19-09 04:41 PM by kenny blankenship
They accused Truman of "losing" China to the Communists, like a US president can stop a billion Chinese from doing anything they have a mind to do, and they tied that to the difficulties of the Korean War. Ike said "I will go to Korea" which people thought meant we were sure to win it with Ike in charge. And of course he fared no better. But in the meantime the Repukes had taken over Congress and won the WH.

Ever after that maneuver worked for them, they've been trying to replicate its success. They repeated it for effect throughout the Cold War, even though "Containment" and the Cold War was begun by Truman himself. After our ventures in South East Asia failed, the Repukes leveled the same who lost China?!? cannon at the Democrats, forgetting that a Democratic President had ramped troop levels up to over half a million men in that tiny theater at the war's climax, and that it was their man, Nixon, who presided over the humiliating denouement.

So when Iran looks toppy, Republicans act like it's our fault that Iran has not already had a revolution. If Ahmadinejad stays in power, they'll claim he's only there because we helped him hang on. They can't help themselves, because the situation reminds them of what worked for them in the past. The least helpful thing we could do, either to assist a peaceful transition of power in Iran, or to secure a more friendly government in Iran whether its a new govt or the old one, is to become overtly involved and align the protesters' cause with ours. But that's of no concern to Republicans since what they're after is political advantage back home. Plus, it's the stupid thing to do, and they just can't resist the call. When a Republican comes to a fork in the road, he invariably sticks it in his eye.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 05:13 PM
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15. True enough they never got over McCarthy.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 05:11 PM
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14. Republicans are really "authoritarians" they want to tell you and everyone else what to do-say-think
Their only motive is self interest. Right now they are somewhat frustrated and have become particularly irrational and strident. What they really need is a Deity or Supreme Father figure to tell the "NO". I wish them luck with that, all they hear are the "voices" in their head and become more confused.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 05:25 PM
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16. Don't people recall...

neocons have been wanting to "get involved" in Iran ever since the beginnings of PNAC, or even before. The entire goal of the "New American Century" is to spread American-style democracy throughout the Midde East and beyond. This may sound good at first, until you realize that this is to be achieved through the use of force and warfare, and we know how expensive that has been (in real as well as political capital) in Iraq.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 05:45 PM
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17. Their plan was to bomb Iran and then have the people take to the streets
against the Iranian government and be grateful to the US for giving them the opportunity to revolt.

They are pissed they didn't get to have their bombing campaign first and very pissed they cannot grab all the credit.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 05:46 PM
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18. So much for
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 06:33 PM
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19. WE care, but don't want to get involved.
THEY want to get involved, but don't care.

pnorman
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Still Sensible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 06:40 PM
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20. Just because it is opposite of what the President is doing
If he had come out saying we needed to get involved, the same assholes would be saying we shouldn't. Oh sure, there are people on both sides that would be true to their positions (there have been a number of conservatives that have voiced support for the position President Obama has taken), but generally speaking, they are just being asshats.
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 07:44 PM
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21. Iran is a distraction
Even considering their oil resources -
If we spent as much time and resources on energy conservation as we spent on invading and occupying other countries we would not have a budget deficit.

WE NEED HEALTH CARE; WE NEED GREEN JOBS; WE NEED TO REBUILD OUR LOCAL (AS OPPOSED TO GLOBAL) COMMUNITIES; AND WE NEED TO WEAN OURSELVES AWAY FROM OUR ENERGY INTENSIVE CONSUMERISM
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 08:09 PM
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22. Create a disaster, blame Obama.
More clueless cowboy diplomacy.
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