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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 03:21 PM
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Bill Clinton honors the DLC's Al From. Says policies form central part of Democratic party fabric.
The gala was honoring Al From, who is retiring. Clinton tells them he would not have been president without them. Here is more on the topic.

Bill Clinton defends DLC role, legacy

Former President Bill Clinton launched a spirited defense of the Democratic Leadership Council Tuesday night, crediting the centrist organization with the successes of his own presidency and his party’s electoral advances in recent years.

“I would have never become president if it wasn’t for you,” Clinton told a packed DLC gala honoring Al From, who is departing as head of the DLC after founding the organization 24 years ago. “You have evidence that what you did mattered," Clinton said. Clinton’s speech comes at a time when the DLC – a third way group that has long been a thorn in the side of liberals - is undergoing a major shake-up in its ranks, with From handing the organization’s reins to longtime protégé, and former Clinton adviser, Bruce Reed.


More about it:

But the group – which shunned the “liberal” label in favor of a “new” Democratic brand - never shed its reputation as an organization that spurred conflict with liberal interest groups. Rev. Jesse Jackson once called the DLC “Democrats for the Leisure Class.” And former presidential candidate Howard Dean referred to it as “the Republican wing of the Democratic Party.”

But in his speech on Tuesday, Clinton argued that the DLC’s policies were now a central part of the fabric of the Democratic Party, and he said that Obama – while he hadn’t said so publicly - had taken some central tenants of his young presidency straight from the DLC playbook.

“It doesn’t matter that Barack Obama wasn’t an original member of the DLC and that he’s got his own brand,” Clinton said. The former president went on to argue that Obama’s cabinet included such card-carrying DLC members as White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton....


Indeed he was correct about that. The DLC website has their New Team at the White House in a composite at their website.

He is also correct in that their policies permeate the party's agenda now. They will get their long time dream about replacing the regulated public school system with less regulated charter schools. Their long time plans for individual savings accounts for Social Security are already being favorably mentioned by this administration.



The New Team

Florida was one of the first states to embrace the philosophy of this group. I remember reading about some Florida Democratic leaders I knew in an article about the 2000 Democratic convention.

Florida Dem says the DLC is the wind in our sails

Making his way through the Florida delegation, for example, he's greeted by the state party chair, the head of the state DLC, and a gruff lawyer from Lakeland named Bob Grizzard. Defiantly wearing a t-shirt from Clinton's 1992 campaign over his checkered oxford shirt, Grizzard tells me he's a "proud member of the DLC." When I ask him about the prominence of liberal speakers on the convention docket, he says, "We're the party of diversity and inclusion," then pauses before adding, "and if they don't want to swallow DLC, we'll stick it to 'em." A minute later, he grabs the shoulders of an African American delegate and pulls him over. "He's not quite with us yet," Grizzard confides to me jokingly, "but we'll give him time." Grizzard's friends are a little embarrassed by the gesture but share his triumphalism nonetheless. "The DLC is the wind in our sails," says Bob Poe, the state party chair.


The original link to the story at The New Republic no longer works. However this comment saved is indicative of their thinking. Rosenberg explains they copied the conservatives but took over the party faster than they did.

The New Democrats, Rosenberg explains to me in the convention center cafeteria, have consciously emulated the conservative movement's gradual takeover of the GOP. He pulls out a sheet of paper from his black canvas bag and draws a timeline of modern conservatism's rise: "National Review to Goldwater to the Heritage Foundation to Reagan. It took thirty years for them to take over the party." He then draws a parallel line for the New Democrats, starting with the founding of the DLC in 1985 and running through Lieberman's addition to the Democratic ticket this month. "This all happened very quickly, much more quickly than on the right," he says, staring down at his diagram. "When I worked at the DLC, I studied the institutional infrastructure of the right, especially gopac. You need to fund candidates who support your ideas. We learned lessons from the right, and we borrowed from them."


Some of the backstory was not very pretty. The power and money still influence decisions within the party.

A 2000 book by Ken Baer mentioned how they were able to transform the party. They got rid of the "Noah's Ark problem." Or as Simon Rosenberg later put it...they got money from other sources so they did not have to worry about what their constituents like unions and minorities wanted. From a review of the book in 2000.

Reinventing Democrats

How did a group of elite politicians and operatives transform a political party?

First, they gave themselves a little bit of distance. After several unsuccessful attempts to influence the party establishment from within, the reformers formed the DLC as an extra-party organization in 1985. This avoided what Bruce Babbitt referred to as the "Noah's Ark problem"--the need to satisfy diverse constituents by taking representative positions on behalf of each one. They could also raise their own money (which DLC honchos like Virginia's Chuck Robb were notably good at), start their own think tank (the Progressive Policy Institute), and publicize their own views without tangling with the cumbersome Party bureaucracy.

Second, they worked the rules. They pressured the party to create a new class of "super delegates" consisting of state party leaders and elected officials who, they hoped, would balance out the interest groups that had come to dominate Democratic conventions. They also lobbied to cluster Southern and Western state primaries on "Super Tuesday," so that candidates who were strong in that part of the country (especially conservative Southern Democrats) would get an early boost that could offset a poor showing in more liberal Iowa or New Hampshire.

Third, they aimed for the top. After the Dukakis/Bentsen defeat in 1988, the DLC decided to groom their own hand-picked candidate for the White House. Baer reports that in 1989 Al From flew to Little Rock and told then Governor Bill Clinton: "Have I got a deal for you ... If you take the DLC Chairmanship, we will give you a national platform, and I think you will be President of the United States."


When Clinton did not adhere to policies enough, they started the Third Way project as a possible basis for a 3rd party.

And finally, they squawked when Clinton strayed. Baer describes the rising fury within the DLC when Clinton spent his early political capital on "Old Democrat" issues like gays in the military, Lani Guinier, and universal health care. After the disastrous 1994 elections, Dave McCurdy (an Oklahoma congressman who had lost his job) denounced Clinton as a "transitional figure" and PPI began working on a "Third Way Project" that might be the basis for a third-party movement. An embattled Clinton mended the fence by "triangulating" toward more conservative positions and pushing ahead on welfare reform--and by the 1996 elections, the DLC was confident they had him back in the fold.


Al From may be retiring, but they are still relevant and still doing party policy.

And those who spoke out against them are outside of the party national leadership.




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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 03:22 PM
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1. A rare moment of candor.
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 03:32 PM
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2. DLCers are not Democrats, simply kinder, gentler (but not always) Republicans. Not quite as
bad and destructive as repukes, but almost.

Especially when you factor in the sabotage they did to any real, progressive reform.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 07:08 PM
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10. They will not let progresive ideas pass.
And they have the money and the power to enforce it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 09:39 PM
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13. Oops just noticed I misspelled "progressive". Too late to edit.
Hate it when I do that.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 03:55 PM
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3. I wish the Clintons would just go away. (nt)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 04:03 PM
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4. The party's attitude toward "the left" sprang from this group.
This is pdf article by Franklin Foer from 2004. It is an odd article, but it shows the troubling way in which the Conservadems view the rest of us.

Center Forwardl the Fate of the New Democrats

Here are a few of the more obvious statements. Very long.

From the perspective of the 2004 presidential race, it’s hard not to feel that those early proclamations of triumph were premature. The centrist victory was either ephemeral or illusory. To start with the obvious: the 2004 campaign season witnessed the strange and troubling ascent of Howard Dean, a man who once proudly resided within the DLC but who ran for president by trumpeting distinctly uncentrist rhetoric. He promised to forcefully challenge the hegemony of
the moderates.
In speeches, he explicitly blasted the DLC and promised to represent the “Democratic wing of the Democratic Party”—a phrase that had first been invoked by Paul Wellstone and other Left-liberals who resisted the Clintonization of the party. For the centrists, the fact of Dean’s campaign is this: the party came within a hair’s breadth of handing the nomination to a man who had run one of the most Left campaigns in the party’s history.


Troubling ascent? They even called it an example of party backsliding.

More:

The most troubling aspect of the Left’s revival is its grim determination
to imitate the Right. Where the Rush Limbaugh Right has spent the
past decade being uncivil and mean, the Left’s grassroots now demand
that their party become more uncivil and mean, to match the wing-
nuts tit for tat.


And the article emphasized the need to keep the Left from stopping the party from being more hawkish.

Now that foreign policy has returned to its cold war importance,
the New Democrats should return to their hawkish roots. Iraq has
already led to a revival of the Left’s old, latent antimilitarism. As the
conflict continues, there will be a new generation of candidates who
feel comfortable screaming, “Bring our troops home.” It will fall to
the New Democrats to prevent the Left’s dovishness from reviving all
the old worst stereotypes of the party’s weakness.








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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 04:24 PM
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5. That's why I've been a DINO since '68.
Democrat - Independent - Not - Obligated

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789.

"Were parties here divided merely by a greediness for office,...to take a part with either would be unworthy of a reasonable or moral man." --Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1795.

“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." --John Quincy Adams
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 09:22 PM
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11. It seems to me...
that many of the same people who controlled the issues and dialogue in the party in 2001 are right back controlling the issues and dialogue now in many respects.

I don't want to think that, and maybe the president will listen hard to other voices. But it worries me.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:11 PM
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18. I think the best we can hope for is that they will make a corrupt system "not as bad".
A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice. - Thomas Paine
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Duval Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:47 PM
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34. It is worrying a lot of us.
I am hoping we can vote some of them out of Congress. I see Bill Clinton honoring From's retirement and find myself gritting my teeth.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 04:48 PM
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6. Fuck the DLC!
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 04:53 PM
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7. The DLC and Clinton (and now Obama I guess) represent all that is wrong with the Democratic Party
They should be MORE liberal, MORE progressive and LESS centrist. They need to emulate FDR and TR (A Republican, who would be too liberal these days even for the Democratic Party, much less the Republicans) and get rid of idiots like From.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:25 PM
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17. How much is left of the Democratic Party . . . ????
Kucinich, Kucinich, Kucinich --???

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 06:48 PM
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8. The new DLC leader wants less grass, more roots.
His interpretation of the issue is rather snide and again shows contempt for "the left."

More grass less roots

"Where have all the good protests gone? Aging centrists everywhere would love to blame over-pierced and under-challenged young people -- the first generation in human history to talk like snowboarders and think like Ralph Nader. Today's youth think "this generation has a lot to say" is an advertisement for cell phones -- which, as a matter of fact, it is.

Yet much as I believe that there's nothing wrong with the younger generation that a few years of national service wouldn't fix, they're not the only ones who bear responsibility for the collapse of modern dissent. If all that young Americans can find to get mad about is some vast globalist conspiracy, authority isn't giving them enough to question."

The implications of the title are that we have little substance, and they have the "roots."
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 06:55 PM
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9. More from the dinner. Carper says DLC to play a role in health care
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/dlc-seeks-to-play-bigger-role-in-obama-era-2009-06-17.html

Carper said he is looking to the DLC for help and advice on crafting the public aspect of healthcare reform, and on a compromise on the controversial card-check bill that will make it easier for unions to organize. Both will need centrist Democratic votes to pass.

Top Democrats around Washington said the group — which gave Clinton ideas like putting 100,000 new police officers on the streets and adopting a more pro-business, free-trade mindset — still has a place in party politics.

“They remain relevant, but this isn’t the ’90s,” said veteran strategist Donna Brazile, who said the group’s obituary would be premature. “We’re in a new era with Obama in command, but the party is much larger than just those in leadership right now.”

Centrist lawmakers see the group playing an important role.

“In a lot of ways, this is one of the organizations that helped bring us out of the wilderness,” Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) told The Hill at Tuesday’s dinner.

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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:07 AM
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20. Uh-oh, I don't like the sound of that
:scared:
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:46 AM
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32. The DLC playing a role in health care reform
is like the Texas Cattlemen Association playing a role in vegetarianism.

(or whatever the name is of that ranchers group that sued Oprah a few years ago)
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 09:32 PM
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12. Damn the DLC!
Edited on Wed Jun-17-09 09:34 PM by Individualist
"The Democratic Leadership Council's agenda is indistinguishable from the Republican Neoconservative agenda," - Dennis Kucinich
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 09:59 PM
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14. Rec'd!
Thanks for the info. Can't comment much right now, too much family stress right now and I don't need a fight here and I need to be as calm as I can as I can possibly be, and I don't need to use this board as an outlet for stress and possibly receiving the pizza.

I think you're well aware of my disdain for the DLC and they wanted a 3rd party? Hahahaha, laughing in a gallows humor way.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:18 PM
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15. Thinking of you in your time of stress.
I know what you mean. It is easy to slip and let emotions rule sometimes. Best to you. :hug:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:21 PM
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16. Gore & Clinton founding members . . . but I think it was Perot who knocked Bill into WH . . .!!!
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:05 AM
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19. Well, that's one way to put it:
"But in his speech on Tuesday, Clinton argued that the DLC’s policies were now a central part of the fabric of the Democratic Party, and he said that Obama – while he hadn’t said so publicly - had taken some central tenants of his young presidency straight from the DLC playbook."

In other words, the Republican Lites (liberal on social issues, conservative on military and economic issues) have just about completed their hijacking of the Democratic Party.
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:14 AM
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21. Clinton, in a moment of modesty, has things bass ackwards
Edited on Thu Jun-18-09 12:23 AM by RufusTFirefly
If it weren't for the charisma of Bill Clinton, the DLC would be less than a footnote by now.
But because Clinton won, the DLC got the mistaken impression that it actually had something to do with it.
Needless to say, the Corporate Media has been more than happy to support that pathetic misconception.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 04:03 AM
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22. so, in other words, true liberals and progressives are no longer wanted or needed
by the Democratic party.
That's fine by me, as I will be switching my registration to Independent when I move at the end of the month and will vote on the basis of principles, not on party, from now on. At this point I see very little difference between Democrats and repukes, so I really don't care if voting 3rd party or writing in names like Dennis Kucinich causes repukes to win.
If the Democrats think they can take my vote for granted, they are WRONG.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:42 AM
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31. Only at election time.
After that we appear to be pushed to the back of the bus.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 05:43 AM
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23. UGGH!!!!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 06:33 AM
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24. they brush the crumbs off their table because they know that`s all we need
brother can you spare a dime?
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:08 AM
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25. I'm waiting for Obama to come out of the DLC closet, myself.
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Umbral Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:40 AM
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27. When you're caught In Flagrante, dik in-hand, coming out is just so much theater. nt
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:09 AM
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28. Haha! n/t
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:27 AM
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26. From has done fantastic work that has literally saved the Democratic Party
Edited on Thu Jun-18-09 10:28 AM by Gman
The Democratic Party would be nothing more than a fringe party of the far left right now had From and the DLC not shoved the party back toward the center where it belongs. But for the DLC, it's true that Clinton would never have been president. Who the hell was going to beat George Bush in 1992? Paul Tsongas? Ha!!

We all owe From and the DLC a huge debt of gratitude.
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:20 AM
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29. Ummm... you do realize that many of the "new Democrat" ideas taken by Clinton...
... were first championed by Paul Tsongas, right?

In other words, they were cut from largely the same cloth, policy-wise.

A quick word of advice -- if you're going to go polemic, at least try and make sure you have the basic thread of your argument figured out first. Otherwise, you end up looking like a horse's ass.

Then again, IMHO, you look like that anyway when you try to defend the work of the DLC.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:28 AM
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30. Well I guess I should have said Jerry Brown
who had to second his own nomination at the convention. Regardless, had it not been for the From, Bill Clinton and the DLC, the Democratic Party would now be a far left fringe party rather than a party that represents everyone.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 04:36 AM
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38. You must have a rather odd definition of "everyone". n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 08:48 AM
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41. Wrong - any Dem was winning 1992. Bill used his win to protect BushInc throughout the 90s.
THAT protection of Poppy Bush and his thugs is what ended up hurting our party and our country.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:48 AM
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33. That's like saying Hitler saved Germany
And a lot of really delusional people thought he did, at the time.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:50 PM
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35. .
damn was that good
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 02:56 AM
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37. Corporatist hogwash!
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 07:59 AM
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39. Without corporations a whole lot of DU'ers and millions of others
would be unemployed. There has to be a happy medium.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 11:18 AM
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43. Why yes, there does. And the DLC is obstructing it.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 08:44 AM
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40. Baloney - Bush NEEDED to lose because BCCI report was being released in Dec1992 and he expected
Edited on Fri Jun-19-09 08:45 AM by blm
to be impeached, especially after what would be certain senate hearings on that report.

Amazing how so many of you think that 1992 was some sort of 'miracle' that occurred only because of Bill Clinton. GHWBush ran the worst campaign in history.....deliberately.

Maybe you need to look into Jackson Stephens who just 'happened' to bankroll Clinton's primary campaign after being a lifelong supporter and pal of GHWBush's. Oh...you may also notice that Stephens is a named figure in that BCCI report. Gee...you don't suppose Stephens tapped his boy in Arkansas so Clinton could continue to protect Poppy Bush and the rest of the figures involved in BCCI, do you?
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 01:55 PM
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44. So THAT'S why Bill and Poopy are such good pals.
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aldo Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 04:14 PM
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36. Bill Clinton's one of them, a sellout to America
His most favored trading partner status for China destroyed our economy/the American way of life. History will not be kind to him.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 11:02 AM
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42. "Third Way Project that might be the basis for a third-party movement."
Seems they did think of a 3rd party movement, and they called it Third Way. I always thought a third party would be between the centrist Dems and Republicans, not to the left.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 02:52 PM
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45. A reminder of where the power lies in our party.
In case we did not already know.

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