The last confession of E. Howard Hunt: US government/CIA team murdered JFK

[Leo 9]

The last confession of E. Howard Hunt: US government/CIA team murdered JFK
By Larry Chin
Online Journal Associate Editor


Apr 3, 2007, 01:25


The April 5 issue of Rolling Stone features the deathbed confession of CIA operative and key Bay of Pigs/Watergate/Nixon administration figure E. Howard Hunt, The Last Confession of E. Howard Hunt by Erik Hedegaard. This piece is significant not only for its exploration of Hunt, but for breakthrough information that appears to thoroughly corroborate the work of key John F. Kennedy assassination researchers and historians.

Who killed JFK?

According to Hunt’s confession, which was taken by his son, St. John (“Saint”) Hunt, over the course of many personal and carefully planned father-son meetings, the following individuals were among the key participants:

Lyndon B. Johnson: LBJ, whose own career was assisted by JFK nemesis J. Edgar Hoover (FBI), gave the orders to a CIA-led hit team, and helped guide the Warren Commission/lone gunman cover-up.

Cord Meyer: CIA agent, architect of the Operation Mockingbird disinformation apparatus, and husband of Mary Meyer (who had an affair with JFK).

David Atlee Philips: CIA and Bay of Pigs veteran. Recruited William Harvey (CIA) and Cuban exile militant Antonio Veciana.

William Harvey: CIA and Bay of Pigs veteran. Connected to Mafia figures Santos Trafficante and Sam Giancana.

Antonio Veciana: Cuban exile, founder of CIA-backed Alpha 66.

Frank Sturgis: CIA operative, mercenary, Bay of Pigs veteran, and later Watergate figure.

David Morales: CIA hit man, Bay of Pigs veteran. Morales was also a figure involved with the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy.

Lucien Sarti: Corsican assassin and drug trafficker, possible “French gunman,” Grassy Knoll (second) shooter.

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http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1918.shtml

[melody]

1. Bush was knee-high in this, too

As was Nixon.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

19. A snip from the article about Papa Bush's connection

Hunt to Nixon to Bush

The Rolling Stone piece fails to go after the roles of Richard Nixon and George Herbert Walker Bush. But the Hunt confession, if accurate, leads directly to them, to their lifelong associates, and all the way to the present George W. Bush administration.

The Dallas-Watergate-Iran-Contra connection has been thoroughly documented by the key JFK researchers, and in particular, in the work of Peter Dale Scott, one of the very first to show the deep political continuity across three decades. Daniel Hopsicker’s Barry and the Boys goes into even more detail on the players.

Consider the career of George H.W. Bush. He was a Texas oilman (Zapata Oil) and a CIA operative, involved with the Bay of Pigs. Bush’s name was found in the papers of George DeMohrenschildt, one of Lee Harvey Oswald’s CIA handlers. As documented by Pete Brewton, author of The Mafia, the CIA and George Bush, Bush was deeply connected with a small circle of Texas elites tied to the CIA and the Mafia, as well as the Florida-based CIA/anti-Casto Cuban exile/ Mafia milieu As Richard Nixon’s hand-picked Republican National Committee chairman, and later as CIA director, Bush constantly covered-up and stonewalled for his boss about Watergate, which itself (by the admission of Frank Sturgis and others) was a cover-up of the JFK assassination.

Tracking any of the individual CIA operatives involved with the Bay of Pigs, it is impossible to ignore or deny direct connections to George H.W. Bush and his crime family, across the Kennedy assassinations, covert operations in Indochina and, later, Latin America.

[melody]

39. exactly - excellent info

The old conspiracy maven Mae Brussel used to assert that the evidence stolen during the Watergate
burglary involved Nixon's direct link to the JFK assassination.

When you see all the links, it does make one think.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

47. There's an interesting video online (link below) JFKII - The Bush Connection.

It is Very Plausible!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4330031689287456187&q=jfkII

[Alexander]

55. The "Bay of Pigs thing" on the Watergate tapes was the JFK assassination.

So says H. R. Haldeman.

If you listen to the tapes, Nixon sounded really freaked out about the "Bay of Pigs thing" getting out.

I think that 18 1/2 minute gap was discussion of how to best cover up the Kennedy assassination.

[Imagevision]

56. Nixon knew he had no choice but to get rid of the 18 minutes, the world would know...if

the msm didn't hide this story also??

[Alexander]

61. And I wonder if Bush's voice was on that tape...

Just recently January 2007 CIA documents have come out proving George Bush was involved with the Agency since 1953.

Since he claimed he'd never worked with them until his Director appointment by Ford, I wonder what else he is lying about.

[bananarepublican]

82. GHWB's pants are made out of abestos! "I kinda less JFK'er nation!" n/t

[bananarepublican]

81. Don't forget 'Big Oil'! Clint Murchison et al... n/t

[L. Coyote]

97. FACT # ONE: Hunt worked for Nixon. Fact # TWO Hunt is a LIAR. #3 is

Nixon was in the chain of command, number 2 under the commander-in-chief Eisenhower. And, we know for fact that Hunt worked for Nixon/RNC in the Watergate burglary.

It is no surprise that he tries to finger Johnson and hide the culpability of his superiors, Nixon, et.al.

Fact # 3. RFK was going to take the White House away from Nixon, not Johnson. I worked for RFK's campaign and went to sllep one night knowing we had won the US Presidential election for all practical purposes.

My loud alarm radio awoke me at the top of the hour the next morning with this headline, "Senator Kennedy is dead." America has not been the same since.

[IndyOp]

2. Welcome to DU Leo 9 -- this post isn't likely to last long.

Even though the Congressional Committee on Assassinations concluded that two or more shooters fired at Kennedy, we aren't allowed to discuss "conspiracy theories" about Kennedy's assassination at DU!

I am, however, IN BEFORE THE LOCK!

:toast:

[liberal renegade]

3. and why can't it be discussed?

[Morgana LaFey]

7. PRobably because

the advertisers might not like it. :shrug: Not to mention the Washingtonians -- my term for the Establihment Dems.

[mdmc]

57. Bad for the party

better to triangulate and buy the Warren commission report then to seek the truth. Ask our 2008 candidates - the CIA would never do anything so bad as kill JFK...

[IndyOp]

9. All I know is that when I've posted videos and articles

about the Kennedy assassination in past, they've been locked and/or deleted.

I am pleased and surprised to return to find this one with 17 votes for "Greatest"...

:eyes:

[Octafish]

41. Me, too. The Assassination of President Kennedy is NOT Ancient History.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x136384

Ideas too controversial for some, apparently.

[IndyOp]

78. Octafish - Could you visit a thread I posted about Murchison...

I am getting nothing but razzed, although it has hit the Greatest Page and it is still in General Discussion - hasn't been moved to the 9/11 forum or anything...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x589568

[bobbie]

69. So I'm not the only one that happens to?

It's most alarming if we can't even discuss the truth about President Kennedy's murder.
Esp since the roots of this regime go back to Nov 22, 1963.

[IndyOp]

79. bobbie - Could you visit a thread I posted about Murchison...

I am getting nothing but razzed, although it has hit the Greatest Page and it is still in General Discussion - hasn't been moved to the 9/11 forum or anything...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x589568

[bobbie]

88. Oh Murchison... one of "The Texans" Nixon mentioned on tape

I'm there IndyOp.

[SidDithers]

91. No, they get moved...

to the conspiracy theory forum. Where, according to the DU rules, they belong.

Sid

[BuyingThyme]

13. I don't think it will lock soon. This stuff is going mainstream,

finally.

[Quantess]

67. As it should.

This is pretty big news.

[mattclearing]

23. That's not true at all.

We talk about the JFK assassination at DU all the time. I've never seen anything locked/deleted based on its departure from conventionally-held corporate media-sponsored history.

[IndyOp]

24. It is annoying to have you assert that threads I've posted have not been

locked and deleted when I know that they have. I've posted video of James Files confessing to the murder and more -- and some have been moved to the 9/11 forum and others have been locked and/or deleted.

Maybe now a thread will stay open - let's see:

The Murchison Meeting: LBJ's Mistress Implicates Him in Kennedy Assassination
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=589568&mesg_id=589568

[bananarepublican]

83. The 'official' version of 911 is a humungous conspiracy theory! Can't us dopes even speculate over..

... 'evil Islamic plots'? Silly me! Islamic based conspiracies are A.O.K!!!

[AwakeAtLast]

4. Welcome Leo 9!

:hi:

Off to a terrific start at the DU!

:kick: and R!

[peacetalksforall]

5. In 2003 when we were shown all kinds of films that were shown

at the 40th anniversary of the assassination, I kind of trembled and 'knew' that what they were suggesting about the Marseilles connection was true. So here it is - the name on this list.

When you think about the coordination and the number of players it took to pull this off - including the doctors who allowed the extra bullet to be found on the gurney and the hush-hush transfer of his body (we think it was his body) and the hush-hush of the examinations, it makes me want to vthrow up.

Every time I remember all the replays of the Johnson telephone calls to Jackie Kennedy, I want to throw up.

Every time someone rushes in to ridicule anyone who says that Oswald could not do it, I want to throw up.

Every time that I think of the CIA coordinating it with the Cuban terrorists, I want to throw up.

Well, we'll have to see if this is the truth. We've been lied to for decades in the most ugly deceptive way.

They've gotten away with way too much. No wonder they are so cocky.

[peacetalksforall]

6. Our country went down hill on that day - November 22, 1963.

Yes, they were so cocky - they did it again - and again and again.

Now they do it in massacres and to our kids.

[bonito]

10. I agree

And often wonder what Teddy knows and lives with, being from MA the Kennedy history everybody kinda knows, but I often wonder.

[bluescribbler]

30. Teddy only went through the motions

His heart wasn't really in it when he ran for President in 1980. Anyone could see that. Now, I think we know why.

[formercia]

93. He knew the truth

one peep and he would join them.

[leveymg]

46. Cord Meyer worked with the Corsican Mob in the early Cold War to

kill Communist labor organizers on the docks in Southern France. That might explain the use of a "French Connection" shooter.

Mary Pinchot Meyer, Cord's ex-wife, was murdered in an unsolved shooting in Georgetown several months before the JFK assassination.

A lot of people in the Kennedy/CIA/Washington Post social circle died that year: http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:zoE7z0aWMrIJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Truitt

James Truitt (died 18 November 1981) was an United States journalist, born in Chicago, Illinois and raised by a prominent family in Baltimore, Maryland.

He served as a Naval officer in the Pacific theatre of World War II, then returned to work for the US State Department. He married his first wife, Anne, in September 1947 in Washington, D.C. In spring of 1948 he went to work for Life Magazine in New York, then became their Washington correspondent. He spent 3 years with Life in San Francisco, then he returned to Washington, DC in May 1960 to become the personal assistant to Phillip Graham at the Washington Post, where he rose to become vice president. He also worked for Time, served as publisher of Art News, and became vice president of Newsweek in 1964. He sported a crew-cut haircut, was friends with Cord Meyer and James Angleton, and was known for his intelligence, eccentricity, and social graces.

In 1962 Mary Pinchot Meyer, (Cord Meyer's ex-wife) told Truitt that she was having an affair with President Kennedy. Truitt made notes of the conversation, which years later he showed to journalist Jay Gourley. The notes recorded an episode in July 1962 when Mary Pinchot and President John F. Kennedy smoked marijuana, and include mention of Mary forgetting her slip after one visit and having it mailed back to her in a White House envelope.

In early 1963, Truitt helped extricate Phillip Graham from an ill-advised appearance at a publishers' conference in Arizona, where Graham mentioned Kennedy's affair. {Deborah Davis, 3rd ed. 1991, p. 154} Graham committed suicide on August 3, 1963. Katharine Graham assumed ownership of the Washington Post.

Later in 1963 Truitt left the Post and moved to Tokyo as the Japan bureau chief for Newsweek. There, Anne Truitt received news that her Vassar classmate and friend, Mary Pinchot Meyer, had been murdered. Anne called James Angleton to see that Meyer's diary was taken care of, per her wishes.

[Imagevision]

60. J.Edgar Hoover; "Do you realize what would happen to this country if it ever was told the truth"

as stated to Mark lane (Rush To Judgement) when Hoover found out Lane wass getting to damn close for country, Hoover told Lane to let it rest or he would pull his investigators license, then said: "now get the fuck out of here" (Hoover's office)

[w4rma]

8. If LBJ wanted a thorough investigation of Kennedy's assassination, he would have gotten it. (nt)

[DefenseLawyer]

11. That whole Bay of Pigs thing

H. R. Haldeman, in his book, "The Ends of Power," cites several conversations where Nixon expressed concern about the Watergate affair becoming public knowledge and where this exposure might lead. Haldeman writes:

"In fact, I was puzzled when he told me, 'Tell Ehrlichman this whole group of Cubans is tied to the Bay of Pigs.' After a pause I said, 'The Bay of Pigs? What does that have to do with this ?' But Nixon merely said, 'Ehrlichman will know what I mean,' and dropped the subject."

Later in his book, Haldeman appears to answer his own question when he says, "It seems that in all of those Nixon references to the Bay of Pigs, he was actually referring to the Kennedy assassination."

In taped conversations with Haldeman, Nixon is obviously worried about what would happen if Hunt's involvement in the Watergate burglary came to light. Nixon says, "Of course, this Hunt, that will uncover a lot of things. You open that scab, there's a hell of a lot of things, and we feel that it would be very detrimental to have this thing go any further...But, you can say, this is sort of a comedy of errors, bizarre, without getting into it, the President believes that it is going to open the whole Bay of Pigs thing up again."

http://dirtypolitics.50megs.com/dirty.htm

[walldude]

12. I bought that Rolling Stone.. not for the Kennedy stuff but

Floyd was on the cover... I found the article interesting, but Hunt's son could be doing this just for the money. It was obvious he wasn't doing to well and this could make him big bucks. It does throw some suspicions on his claim, which is, I assume, why we haven't seen this all over the place.

[EVDebs]

14. Joan Mellen's book "A Farewell To Justice" shows intell agencies behind

the assassination of JFK.

And now even 'debunkers' like Posner are scurrying for the CIA to come clean,

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/12/17/joannides/index.html

since THEY are the ones who need their bunk fixed !

[RandomKoolzip]

15. So it looks like Gaeton Fonzi's "The Last Investigation" was the most reliable

repository of speculation after all - after reading many of the books on the JFK hit, this one always rang the truest to me, and if Hunt is to be believed, now there's some (well, maybe) confirmation as to why.

[BuyingThyme]

16. I'm a Mark Lane guy. What does Fonzi say?

[Octafish]

85. Gaeton Fonzi connected CIA to Oswald

A True Patriot of the United States of America, Gaeton Fonzi investigated the JFK assassination for the House Select Committee on Assassinations. He wrote in "The Last Investigation" that the CIA was directly involved through the actions of David Atlee Phillips, AKA "Maurice Bishop," who worked with many in the anti-Castro Cuban community, Operation 40, JM/WAVE, and the CIA station in Mexico City.

Interview with Gaeton Fonzi

EXCERPT...

SB: Let's talk about Maurice Bishop. We have our doubters on CompuServe, as you know ...

GF: I really don't keep up with it, you know. Every once in awhile I go in there and check my mail. After spending time working on a piece in front of a computer most of the day, the last place I want to be ...

SB: I understand. A lot of people want to know if there is anything that you've found since the investigation, that convinces you even more now of the identity of Maurice Bishop?

GF: Yes, as a matter of fact, I was just down in Cuba in January working on a piece for Esquire, on Castro assassination attempts, and spent some time with General Escalante, the former Chief of Counter-Intelligence and former head of State Security. I was given a guided tour, as it were, of some of the places that were involved in Castro assassination attempts, including Veciana's - the one that Veciana organized in October of '61.

From his files, it took place in a building from across the North Plaza of the old palace. That apartment was used as a CIA safe house, it appeared, before Veciana's mother-in-law leased it. And, Phillips was seen going in and out of it. He provided a number of other confirmations of Bishop as David Atlee Phillips, and Phillips as Bishop.

SB: Really?

GF: There's no doubt in the Cuban Intelligence records that Bishop is David Atlee Phillips.

SB: Interesting, even in interviewing someone you named "Ron Cross," at JM/Wave, he corroborated that, didn't he? Am I mis-phrasing it?

GF: Yeah, he said basically that he remembered Phillips using the name Bishop.

Interesting point about that because, after my article came out and I was using "Ron Cross" to cover-up Crosier's name, Phillips went on television and I think he gave a press interview to someone. And he said that you couldn't believe what this fellow Crosier had said because he had been a drunk, an alcoholic, which he admitted to us and I include that in the book.

But I found it interesting that Phillips revealed his real name.

In violation, I would think, of CIA protocol at least.

SB: Wasn't McCone's initial reaction was that he was also familiar ... and then he quickly changed his story?

GF: Yeah, a couple of the investigators had interviewed McCone and he thought he remembered "Bishop" being used by one of the CIA people, and then the Committee got a letter from the CIA liaison saying that they had reviewed McCone's statement, and that he said that he was mistaken.

CONTINUED...

http://cuban-exile.com/doc_001-025/doc0007.html

That's not to say the CIA pulled the trigger. It's just interesting how many, uh, loose threads are held by certain top spooks. Wish we could ask the late Mr. Angleton what he knew:

http://www.ctka.net/pr900-ang.html

There are some we can still interview.



Odds are testifying under oath wouldn't phase him,
but there are other techniques his ilk have pioneered.

[BuyingThyme]

94. Thank you.

kcik

[bobbie]

99. I think Mark Lane is the best author to read to learn the basics

I have a tremendously high opinion of him.

Right now I'm reading "Executive Action"--his "fictional" (in the same way that the Warren Commission is "factual") account of President Kennedy's assassination. (I think he sort of disowned this work, but I want to read everything he wrote on the subject).

I haven't seen the movie version but I'd like to. Mark Lane is a great man.

[sce56]

17. Add Poppy Bush to that list he was the agent in charge of the hit! IBTL!

[formercia]

31. George HW Bush is a Knight of Malta (honorary)

because he's Episcopalian. He's done so much of their dirty work over the years, they ignored the fact he is a heretic.

[Imagevision]

58. Exactly!! any moron can easily define Sr,. Bush outside book depository - like Nixon,

Nixon originally claimed he didn't know where he was the day JFK was murdered.

[IndyOp]

77. LoL! This Kennedy assassination thread is still *not* locked - a new day?

I've seen so many moved to the 9/11 Forum or be locked/deleted that I posted IBTL on one of the first responses in this thread. I am amazed to see it still open...

:hi:

[OneBlueSky]

18. if the two greatest crimes of our time -- JFK and 9/11 -- were indeed inside jobs . . .

that certainly puts to rest the myth of the United States as the "gold standard" for democracy in our fucked up world . . .

add in a few stolen elections, illegal wars, rendition and torture and all the rest, and it appears that most everything we were taught about our government in grade school was nothing but fiction . . .

[fooj]

20. How sad is that?

:cry: Nothing is as it seems.

[dailykoff]

22. Well, it's getting clearer every day.

I guess the current crew really ARE incompetent, when you think about it.

[bananarepublican]

84. The cover-up of JFK's cold blooded murder facilitated 911!

A full accounting would have deloused the government of all 'moles' and 'patsies', at least for a while.

[bobbie]

90. Exactly. The US is just a big profitable war machine.

Just as Eisenhower warned us about in his farewell "Military-Industrial Complex" speech.
President Kennedy was ending the cold war and pulling all US personnel out of Vietnam.

He died and LBJ gave his corporate backers--Brown & Root (later called Halliburton)--their war.
Bush2 stole the election and immediately came up with a new Pearl Harbor, 911, to justify war.

The common denominator: war and profit.

On the upside, it's not complicated...

[dailykoff]

21. K/R

This will probably have no effect on the History Channel know-it-alls, but it can't hurt.

[formercia]

25. Don't ignore the Crusader connection

Hoover was a Knight of Malta and so are others in this group.

JFK's father was a KOM and they thought that JFK would go along with their agenda. When the Bay of Pigs went sideways, they surely convened a tribunal and sentenced him.

[Bridget Burke]

27. Another hint about the Knight of Malta conspiracy.....

Please, share some details.

[formercia]

28. Howard Hunt was a Knight of Malta too.

that's why he was offered the job.

[Bridget Burke]

49. Tell Dan Brown

Perhaps he can get another bestseller out of the infamous KOM.

Or maybe you should write it yourself. (But that would be dangerous!)

[formercia]

50. Perhaps I can get my Mother to write it

she's a member of Opus Dei. I saw how that bunch destroyed my family and was a cause of one of my sisters commiting suicide, so spare me the street theater, please.

[Bridget Burke]

66. Why would these mysterious knights murder the First Catholic President?

This isn't my street theater.

[formercia]

71. Because he wouldn't follow their agenda

and take back Cuba. He was a traitor to their cause. They have killed people for a lot less reason than that.

Until Castro took over, the Church, Knights of Malta and the Italian Mafia controlled Cuba. It was a money machine.

Havana was a den of Gambling, Prostitution and just about any other illegal activity that you can think of.

[EVDebs]

51. Their Will Be Done, by Martin A. Lee in motherjones....

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1983/07/willbedone.html

BTW, the Catholic/Jesuit origins of the 'Left Behind' eschatology tie in nicely with today's Christian Zionist movement a.k.a. 'Bush's base',

The Catholic Origins of Futurism, Preterism
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/antichrist.htm

which, since the creation of the state of Israel, has been the end times view of most Protestant seminaries and evangelical groups in the US. This is odd considering Martin Luther's version of who/whom, precisely, the biblical antichrist would be ('Historicism'). I understand Catholics view preterism, that Nero was the antichrist, is their predominant view currently.

In any event, Bush's Middle East perspective is colored with the futurist end times point of view:

Their beliefs are bonkers, but they are at the heart of power--
US Christian fundamentalists are driving Bush's Middle East policy
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1195568,00.html

[Bridget Burke]

65. What an interesting mixture....

The Mother Jones article seems to have some basis in fact.

But the second one insists that "Left Behind" is the result of a cunning Jesuit plot.

In what could only be described as a stunning reversal, Protestants have over time actually become the papacy's greatest ally by spreading its Jesuit spawned propaganda. What irony that Protestants, who originally broke away from what they clearly recognized to be the harlot antichrist led church of prophecy, now champion the Futurist interpretation from high profile global ministries.

Good stuff!

Yes, the Politicized Christian Fundamentalists are highly influential. (Many Fundamentalists avoid politics.) But, although these Nutcases have allied with the Church concerning abortion & gay rights, they remain essentially anti-Catholic.

I just don't see the connection.

But I'm sure Dan Brown could!

[EVDebs]

80. Christian Zionism and the Third Temple are essential to *'s base

The connection you don't see is that Futurism (the 'left behind' eschatology endtimes viewpoint) REQUIRES that a Third Temple be build on the Temple Mount. This would also require the Al Aqsa Mosque and Dome of The Rock to be removed. This would tend to upset Muslims (to say the least !).

The Jesuit-inspired Futurism that Protestants now have allied themselves with to the Catholic Church's original position, the other being Preterism (that Nero was the antichrist), are not essentially anti-Catholic, as you say. On abortion and gay rights, they're right in lockstep.

Read this PBS Religion and Ethics story,

Impact of Millennium on the Holy Land
January 7, 2000 Episode no. 319
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week319/cover.html

The potential for mischief due to a 'Third Temple' cannot be overstated. In fact, in 1980 a Jewish zealot shot many Muslims at the Temple Mount site; numerous riots over the mere mention of archaeological digging near the Temple Mount have occurred.

[robcon]

26. I think the Matrix did it. Or maybe Lex Luthor.

What a load of crap.

[formercia]

29. I see the apologist gang is up early this Morning.

Better hurry or you will be late for your Morning Mortification of the Flesh group session.

[NoPasaran]

32. As are the conspiracy nuts

Donald Trump's hair killed Kennedy!

[formercia]

33. I'll add you to the list, thanks. n/t

[SidDithers]

92. How about the 25 posts that appear before the one...

to which you replied. It's not like an "apologist" was the first get up early and reply.

You're being kind of selective in your recognition of who was "up early", aren't you?

Sid

[Wednesdays]

34. Can we forgo the childish name-calling and non-sequitors, please?

:eyes:

(I mean to address that to the recent comments, not to the OP.)

[nolabels]

62. I have learned to check number of different posters on the thread

I move on to another thread if it's just a few posters. The undisciplined tend gravitate to one another which also makes it easier :shrug:

[Celebration]

35. Read the Rolling Stone piece

And you will realize that this "confession" does not actually further our knowledge about what surely was some sort of inside job.

[Robbins]

36. Confession

This suggests those who believed and theroized the Conspiracy was because of JFK turning against
overthrowing Castro after the Cuban Missile crisis and Involved those Involved In plots to assassinate Castro.It's very possable Oswald was made to be the fallguy to blame It on Castro but eather because the Oswald Impossenators couldn't get a Visa to go Into Cuba or because the leader of the conspiracy decided to only get rid of Kennedy.My only skeptism here Is Johnson being described as the mastermind but It Is withen the realm of possabilty.As for the Bushes It remains a chance Poppy was one of those Involved.

[Celebration]

38. maybe

This story by itself would have no credibility. There just isn't the detail needed, the son is sketchy, Hunt was ill, etc. I mean it is too bad he was not able to have more access to his father in the end to sketch out more facts.

[vssmith]

37. A healthy mistrust of anything Hunt said is warranted even if

it was on his deathbed.

[DinahMoeHum]

40. Yeah, he made a living out of spying and lying his whole miserable life

so why should I believe him now?

:evilfrown:

[Cheap_Trick]

42. Hey now, you tin-foil hat wearing yokels

Doncha know our government would NEVER do such things? They have only our best interests at heart. They would never assassinate, start wars or knock down buildings for more money and power. :sarcasm:

[BootinUp]

43. no sale n/t

[jcrew2001]

44. Who killed RFK?

And was there a conspiracy behind it?

[EVDebs]

53. Special Unit Senator, the lead LAPD unit, had a CIA connected officer

leading the case.

"Concluding with a possible explanation for the failure to explore the profound discrepancies in the physical evidence in the case, the program details the intelligence backgrounds of the two LAPD officers in charge of Special Unit Senator’s day-to-day operations. (SUS was the LAPD “investigative” unite put together to oversee the legal inquiry into Kennedy’s killing.)..."

and

"the alleged presence in the Ambasssador Hotel of David Morales, CIA Chief of Operations and a veteran of JMWAVE, the CIA’s anti-Castro station in Miami; the alleged presence in the Ambassador of both Gordon Campbell and George Joannides, like Morales, veterans of JMWAVE"

http://ftrsummary.blogspot.com/2007/01/ftr-582-retrospective-on-assassination.html

Joannides figures prominently in the Oswald/JFK assassination in Joan Mellen's book A Farewell To Justice, www.joanmellen.net

Also see,

http://www.ctka.net/pr398-rfk.html

[maveric]

64. Eight bullets in Sirhans gun and nine bullets found at the scene.

One of them in a door jamb that was removed for evidence. The door jamb mysteriosly dissapeared.
JFK's brain also mysteriously dissapeared after the staged autopsy.
Hmmmmm????

[bobbie]

89. Given that two CIA agents were photographed in the Ambassador Hotel

That night, I think the answer is clear.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1952393,00.html

You might also be interested in the book "Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years" by David Talbot--Editor of Salon, to be released May 1. http://www.amazon.com/Brothers-Hidden-History-Kennedy-Years/dp/0743269187/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-5533782-2756068?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1175957594&sr=8-1
"As Talbot reveals here, RFK might have been the victim of the same plotters he suspected of killing his brother."

[disndat]

45. Mike Malloy, a reliable source

Mike said there is a photo of E. Howard Hunt and the other 2 caught breaking into Watergate by the guard, dressed up as derelicts on or near the Grassy Knoll on the day of the assassination. He also said that Bush, the father, and also Nixon, could not account for their whereabouts on that day and were reported somewhere that they were seen in Dallas.

[MessiahRp]

48. I think L. Fletcher Prouty's work is relevant to much of this

He had orders to do black ops jobs from the Pentagon and kept all of that paperwork from what I had heard. Getting copies of those would open a lot of doors I would guess.

Rp

[PhilipShore]

52. JFK was shot by a German team of assassinations --- posing as Russians ---

LBJ had nothing to do with it. Soon after the assassination, they crossed the border into Mexico and/or Canada. They used the Texas police that were in the KKK, to send them info overseas; so as to find doubles, that looked almost exactly like the actual assassinations -- to divert the investigation, from the real killers.

[caligirl]

54. one of Morales sons grew up to become a MarineCH 46 pilot and friend

or drinking buddy of my hubby. He never knew what his father did, not even his mom. Certainly not his siblings. He was a nice guy and a good pilot, served the Marine Corps well.

[Imagevision]

59. two months after JFK was killed, LBJ approves sending 50,000 more troops into Viet Nam - whereas

Kennedy stated he would be bringing troops home by the following Christmas. JFK was going to break up the CIA (Bush) for feeding him fabricated intel on the the bay of pigs fiasco, and last but not least, the defense contractors stood to lose billions if JFK ended the Nam war.

[Virginia Dare]

68. Following the money usually gets you your answers...n/t

[formercia]

87. Spellman's War

Cardinal Spellman, Grand Protector of the Knights of Malta lobbied for the installation of a pro-American regime in Viet Nam.
After the French left Indochina, the majority Buddhist population began to take over the reins of government that had been primarily controlled by the minority Catholic, pro-French bureaucracy. The installation of the Diem regime and the invitation of American advisors to protect it was the beginning of the Vietnam conflict as we know it.

[PATRICK]

63. Read the Rolling Stones article

and got the following impressions from Hunt as he appeared to his kids and in interviews.

He didn't know and didn't want to know that much. that was his job and health insurance. I am MORE interested what he thought about the death of his wife(fellow agent?). He has more self-damning secrets than knowledge about the higher ups. He has written a lot of fiction to support himself. The assertions are speculative, so who is the best source? LBJ who wrote he was sure it was Castro as payback, Nixon who said he thought it was a cabal of Dems, Garrison in Mafia riddled NOLA who thought it was everyone except the mob?

It still remains the perfect spaghetti conspiracy. No effective investigation presuming ONE of the accused was a major ringleader could not take place without crawling with warrants into the dirty laundry of the entire national "establishment". Garrison just got inches inside. A few sparse new clues with new names. That's the best he could do on his deathbed at his children's urging after a lifetime of spookish silence. If he really knew a lot or would tell the Ultimate secret he would be dead. And his kids. That is the dark illogic of granting him full credence.

[bobbie]

70. K&R

Thanks for posting this.

[sellitman]

72. Maybe Poppy is more evil than his son.

Boy this sure would make it a close call huh?

[formercia]

73. Poppy is way more evil

he's just better at covering it up. Junior is just a blatant out-of-control sociopath.

[Castleman]

74. Hey, I know who REALLY whacked JFK.....

think about it....JFK was messin' around with Marilyn Monroe, right?
SHE was married to....Joe DiMaggio, who ya know, Italian, hot headed and all that, Joe finds out JFK's banging his wife, he loses his mind, grabs a piece, and whammo, no more JFK....I have it on the very best authority that they found cleat marks on the grassy knoll....:-)

[formercia]

76. I didn't know Marilyn wore cleats.

how butch of her.

[otherlander]

75. K&R

[formercia]

86. RFK knew who JFK's killers were

The half truth is that RFK was going after the 'Mob', also known as the Cosa Nostra, Our Cause. Many high-level members of the Mafia are also Knights of Malta. He knew that the KOM was behind the Killing and that's why they killed him.
Is it any wonder that J Edgar Hoover refused to even acknowledge the existence of the Mafia, being that he was a Knight of Malta, thus a member of, or at least well-connected to that very organization.

[otherlander]

95. So, this thread has four times the number of reccomendations

as the top thread on the front page, which has 16, so I do not see why THIS thread is not on the front page.

[bobbie]

98. Good question otherlander

Especially given the importance of this subject. Kick...

[TheUnspeakable]

96. kick

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

100. Kick!