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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 03:49 AM
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Not seeing Juan Cole's article specifically referenced
It might be buried in a couple of threads (I did search, and didn't see it), but I think it deserves to be its own original post. He has a good track record of being right.

http://www.truthout.org/061409Z

1. It is claimed that Ahmadinejad won the city of Tabriz with 57%. His main opponent, Mir Hossein Mousavi, is an Azeri from Azerbaijan province, of which Tabriz is the capital. Mousavi, according to such polls as exist in Iran and widespread anecdotal evidence, did better in cities and is popular in Azerbaijan. Certainly, his rallies there were very well attended. So for an Azeri urban center to go so heavily for Ahmadinejad just makes no sense. In past elections, Azeris voted disproportionately for even minor presidential candidates who hailed from that province.

2. Ahmadinejad is claimed to have taken Tehran by over 50%. Again, he is not popular in the cities, even, as he claims, in the poor neighborhoods, in part because his policies have produced high inflation and high unemployment. That he should have won Tehran is so unlikely as to raise real questions about these numbers.
3. It is claimed that cleric Mehdi Karoubi, the other reformist candidate, received 320,000 votes, and that he did poorly in Iran's western provinces, even losing in Luristan. He is a Lur and is popular in the west, including in Kurdistan. Karoubi received 17 percent of the vote in the first round of presidential elections in 2005. While it is possible that his support has substantially declined since then, it is hard to believe that he would get less than one percent of the vote. Moreover, he should have at least done well in the west, which he did not.


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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 05:09 AM
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1. On ther other hand
This is from a statistician. However, knowing about the ME probably counts for more.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/statistical-evidence-does-not-prove.html

Likewise, there was more wave-to-wave variation in the Ahmadinejad-Moosavi results than the statistical analysis I cited above seems to imply. Ignoring votes for minor candidates, Ahmadinejad won a high of 70.4 percent of the votes in Wave 1, and a low of 62.3 percent in the votes newly added in Wave 6. By comparison, Obama's share of the newly-added votes in our experiment ranged from 56.4 percent in Wave 3 to 44.7 percent in Wave 4. That's slightly more variance than we saw in the Iranian results but not much.

To be clear, these results certainly do not prove that Iran's election was clean. I have no particular reason to believe the results reported by the Interior Ministry. But I also don't have any particular reason to disbelieve them, at least based on the statistical evidence. If Moosavi truly did have the support of a majority of Iran's citizenry, the best evidence we will have of that is what happens in the streets of Tehran over the next days and weeks
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 07:11 AM
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2. 20 threads reference it
just do a search for 'juancole' in the 'Big Forums' over the last 3 days from the DU simple search screen, and you'll see them all (I'm pretty sure they're all for that post of his).
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