OWN IT, Right Wing.

[pepperbear]

http://www.kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=10526106&nav=HMO5ZryK

Minuteman double homicide

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hnWfmfytjNNI_s-AKLIYXwkyMPUwD98Q5NGO0

Holocaust Museum

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/06/07/2009-06-07_scott_roeder_charged_with_abortion_doctor_george_tillers_murder_says_more_violen.html

Tiller Assassination

http://www.kansas.com/religion/story/842780.html

Universalist Church shooting

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/06/09/US-Man-made-second-threat-to-Obama/UPI-53001244572477/

Threats to Obama

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hTu9g5T-alPeJohfs06noccJ46QwD98MLFSO0

Plot against Obama

Of course, we wouldn't dream of infringing on your free speech rights.

Own it, Rush, the next time you dare try to paint this as the byproduct of a left wing ideology.

Own it, Ann, when you run your mouth about Letterman, then forget the truth about the jokes Republicans tell.

Own it, Hendren, the next time you refer to a colleague as THAT JEW.

Own it, BECK, when you refer to a SCOTUS nominee as HISPANIC CHICK LADY.

OWN IT WHEN THE DHS UNDER BOTH THE CURRENT AND PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS CALLED YOU ON YOUR CRAP.

What an insult to humanity you are.

What an insult to the First Amendment you are.

What an insult to Democracy you are.

What an insult to America you are.

You claim to have the right to speak your mind, and nobody will dispute that. It's all yours.

Own it.

[Egnever]

1. Sweet post!

K&R

[opihimoimoi]

2. Beck is UNAMERICAN UNPATRIOTIC as they come...His mind does not reflect TRUTH

nor good reasoning...

He is a despicable POS

[Milspec]

37. Beck would have been

in a mental institution in the early 1960, and belongs there now

[KillCapitalism]

49. Exactly.

He'd be in a rubber room & the only time they'd let him out would be for some electro-shock therapy.

[opihimoimoi]

60. The Midnight Partial Lobotomy comes to mind....just as W had his 12 years ago...

Beck is clearly a clever asshole that needs a Diaper....he should see Vitter for some...

[proud patriot]

3. Right On

:headbang:

[EFerrari]

4. K&R

[Richard Steele]

5. Indeed. K&R

[deaniac21]

6. It is still a shame that Obama has abandoned the gay community.

[jamieque]

9. Um...

Sorry, but I am afraid that you are being rather unfair in your comment, deaniac21. You may have a right to have it but you and many others seem to think that the president can easily just get rid of 'Don't ask, don't tell'.

Sorry... but nothing is ever as simple as it may seem. Obama has to deal with the Republicans, pal. THE REPUPLICANS! Yep, you remember those troublemakers and then there are the troublemakers in his own party. If Obama were to make any move on this issue right now with all that he has to deal with on his plate I think it would cause more problems for him.

And yes I do understand...

I think the gay community needs to be patient and take a look at how much Obama has to deal with right now. He doesn't have any easy issues right now. Hell, in fact the man is being buried under an avalanche of problems. Throwing this very tricky issue on the pile right now is a huge mistake. It will only make things harder on him and he has a hard enough time as it is. Let's take the time think all the issues at hand before we start making such untrue statements such as: 'It is still a shame that Obama has abandoned the gay community...' because I don't believe he has. He just has to deal this important issue very carefully. I say this because right now even if the country, as a whole, is becoming more open to gays the problem still remains that there are still more gay haters around who can cause trouble for Obama then many realize. This issue is not so clean cut. And before you yell 'he needs to have some courage' let me just say that the man needs help from us to pressure the troublemakers and bring them into line so that he can get some of the current problems off his plate quicker. Then he'll have some time to focus on this issue. Of course, I know I probably just wasted my time responding because you will just ignore what I have said but hey I tried.

It is better to try then to just sit back and say nothing.

[Deja Q]

12. Well said, thank you for not sitting back and doing nothing.

To start with, I know - and agree - where you're coming from. Because I know that too. But there are some who say otherwise, about him having enough time to find people to strike it down or whatever spin floats their boat.

[Mari333]

13. its so early and already someone

telling 'teh gays' to get back to the back of the bus and be good little gays .
'be patient little gays, eventually obama will get around to addressing your civil rights issues, i realize that your partner might be dying in a hospital as we speak and you have NO RIGHT to be with your partner on their deathbed because your marriage isnt recognized as legal, but you and your partner will have to suck it up..perhaps your partner should stop dying and be more patient...'


and on and on.

obama has a date in paris, he has no time to address teh gays. we wouldnt want to offend the homophobes with the votes out there after all.

(I think the man can chew gum and walk at the same time doh)

[snake in the grass]

14. Unfortunately,

...that's precisely the wrong attitude. President Obama doesn't have to 'deal' with the Republicans. President Obama doesn't need the fucking Republicans. They've fucked us and the country over repeatedly, yet our representatives insist on playing nice. The iron is red hot at the moment; time to strike. The people want real change and real change won't happen if we continue to let the GOP make the rules. They have the attractiveness of a bucket of watery shit and all they should be doing at the moment is shutting their godforsaken gobs.

[lies and propaganda]

19. well, i think weve been patient for over 40 years

and its running real fucking thin.

When you are second class citizen in your country, you come back to me and let me school you on patience.

[butterfly77]

45. Approved and Recommended...

some people seem to think that everything can be done in the first few months, the Pres has to stratigize and plan just like the CONS do that is what is wrong with some Dems they fly off the handle at the wrong times..

[Deja Q]

11. Please don't hijack threads.

It's not doing "the cause" any good.

For example, if I went to any post and then segued in a different topic, based on a loose association, regardless of what the topic was... keep an eye out, I might try that and we'll see what happens...

[Celtic Merlin]

18. If this is the same "deaniac" that posts over on DKos

Then you can count on it being a thread hijacker.

Celtic Merlin
Carlinist

[ooglymoogly]

30. If you have an insult for someone, please do not try and drag

the Deniacs into your insult.

[rockymountaindem]

36. The poster in question's name is "deaniac" n/t

[ooglymoogly]

41. my bad. nt

[Celtic Merlin]

44. Thanks for the clarification on my behalf.

Some folks are a little quick on the trigger, aren't they? :0)

Appreciate the assistance.

Celtic Merlin
Carlinist

[ooglymoogly]

23. But, but, but he gained the Hispanic community, a much more powerful group

He thinks....in the Changeling's game of 3 card Monty this is the way it works. He naively does not realize, gay folks inhabit the entire spectrum of human life on this planet including the Hispanic community. He has to learn that you do not fool with one of Mother Nature's crowning safety guards. Gay folks carry their own weight and then some. Big mistake O.

[ClayZ]

7. K and R

[SeattleGirl]

8. Well said!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Deja Q]

10. They DO talk about ownership and taking responsibility, so hell yes, they do need to

stop whining and take ownership for the problems they allowed to happen with their leaders "running" the country.

[Downtown Hound]

15. Notice how the right wing keeps talking about revolution and bloodshed

And then when it actually happens they always say, "Oh it wasn't us! We didn't really want this!" Then why do you keep saying you do?

[santamargarita]

17. When they can't steal an election they want a revolution

:puke:

[Fire1sKid]

56. EXACTLY!!!

[Bluenorthwest]

16. Own the anti-gay violence, then

I mean, the hypocrisy is out of hand here. During the campaign Obama used surrogates who say things like gay people are 'trying to kill our children' and say we are cursed and that they are at war with us.

Obama's team used people that equated GLBT people to thieves and liars and prostitutes. Who said we need to be reprogrammed. Who accused us of being child killers-just as O'Reilly did about Tiller. Exactly the same thing. He also declared war on us. Obama called him a 'good, decent and moral person' and many DUers defended the use of such people and language.
So. Those were official Obama campaign events, with a hate speaker who spoke hate against specific minority groups that he does not like, due to his religion.
McClurkin called gay folks killers. Just like O Reilly. So, what do you have to say for that? Official events, at which that man was the only speaker, the official host, hand picked by Barack Obama.
Anyone willing to OWN that? I doubt it.

Anyone want to explain why it is ok for Obama to use McClurkin who calls us killers of children, but O'Reilly is terrible for calling Tiller the same? GLBT people are murdered and beaten by straights with a harsh regularity. Tell me why one hate speaker is so bad and the other is not? Specifically and in detail, defend McClurkin's words as harmless. If you can. If not. Well. You are that. Own that.
Harsh but true. So sue me.

[katandmoon]

21. Word! Obama is a fucking hypocrite on this issue. His words one thing, his actions? Not much to

choose from between him and repugs.

[Union Yes]

20. Word! rec'd

[CitizenPatriot]

22. k & r -- great post nt

[kdpeters]

24. Pittsburgh Police Shooting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Pittsburgh_police_shooting#Political_views

Own it!!

[KittyWampus]

28. Thanks for remembering.

[hileeopnyn8d]

39. And no one talks about

this one -

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/05/11/was-alleged-massachusetts-spree-killer-a%20-neo-nazi-keith-luke-makes-it-official/

Something I've seen recently by so-called mainstream conservatives is pushing this idea that many progressive programs/laws (like minimum wage, etc.) is really a diabolical eugenics experiment. The "mainstream" scum use carefully chosen wording so they appeal to both white supremacists AND GOPers who want to try and paint liberal/progressive programs as racist.

It's stunning.

I had someone tell me yesterday that minimum wage was enacted as an experiment in eugenics to keep minorities from breeding. When I googled "minimum wage" and "eugenics" I found an article by a conservative economist posted at both white supremacist websites AND the Fox News crowd. One group blaming liberals for the decline in the white race, and the other trying to prove liberals are the real racists.

Or maybe I'm the one that's really fooled, and those two groups are really one and the same.

[Number23]

59. Excellent (and disgraceful) addition

[onestepforward]

25. K&R

[KittyWampus]

26. They never will. But thanks for compiling such a sad list of events

[hfojvt]

27. ooooh, six deaths. It's a holocaust!! It's a terra attack!!!

Get the duck tape!! Code orange! Run away!! Dive! Diver down!!! :hide:

[bettyellen]

32. you sound like Hannity or Rush yourself

[AnotherMother4Peace]

38. 3 more deaths for you to dismiss: 3 Pittsburgh policemen murdered by terrorist Poplawski, a racist

and radical right wing follower of RW media.

[hfojvt]

48. I don't mean to dismiss any deaths

but if an average of 60 people are murdered in Pittsburgh each year, then ten more people have been killed since that incident. Are those three deaths a mountain or a molehill? One death is a mountain if it is somebody close to you, but in the big picture a car accident is much more likely to kill you or someone you love than a rightwing terrorist is.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09004/939487-53.stm

Interestingly a writer at Slate calls Poplawski neither far right nor far left, although he wrongly distinguishes between Libertarian and far-right. But there are Libertarians on the left too.

http://www.slate.com/id/2215826/

This comment seemed interesting.

"Twenty-five years ago, when Pittsburgh's economy was going to rust and flinders, desperate men who had played by the rules and lost everything to a market too complex to be understood climbed this city's bridges and jumped. A generation later, with the economy vaporizing amid revelations of incompetence, greed, and corruption on Wall Street and elsewhere, we see the corollary. One generation turned its violence inward. We have to wonder if the next is turning its outward."

I think much of DU missed the point about Poplaw. When the incident happened, he was not so much afraid of losing his guns, as he was of becoming homeless. With no job and his mother kicking him out it looked like the world was crashing down on him.

[Brgotn]

51. Well,

To many these incidents are just tool to demonize the right as if mainstream republicans actually support acts of murder against fellow citizens.

I am an independent but I have spent lots of time around Republicans throughout my life and from what I have seen these board generalizations of republicans are untrue.

Using the same logic seen here one could say that Rev Wright is representative of the entire Democratic party?? No. So the same shouldn't apply to the other party.

This is hurting our country and from what I have seen it may do damage to the Democratic party as many people at work have mentioned that they won't be voting for any Democratic candidates due to the level of hate that is being spewed at fellow citizens by Democrats.

[hfojvt]

66. except that it is Republicans and conservatives who have been the masters of hate

From George H.W. Bush's attack against Clinton's patriotism to Falwell's DVD about Clinton's murders to the impeachment to the constant attacks on the patriotism of people who opposed the Iraq war. Not to mention the press' war on Gore, that big liar.

In my view a rightwing columnist like Joseph Perkins spent decades writing about how vile Democrats and liberals are, as I tried to sum up in this letter to the editor --

The Apostle Paul exhorted the Phillipians to think about "whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable." So I probably should ignore Joseph Perkins latest piece of scurrilous slanderous screed, but since it is an insult to every right thinking American it deserves a robust rebuke.

America is supposed to be a country where people are free to disagree with each other and with their President and elected representatives. Americans agree to disagree, and a big part of that agreement is some measure of respect for those with opposing viewpoints no matter how ignorant or foolish you consider them to be. You can attack ideas, but you should respect the people holding those ideas.

Perkins column is not a reasoned discussion of ideas, but a vitriolic attack against people who oppose the Iraq war and/or oppose Bush. Look at the words he uses to describe us (Americans like me who exercise our constitutional right to oppose Bush and all his insidious ideas) - "ugliest, decayed, degraded, miserable creature, unworthy, perverse, absurd, and knee-jerk critics". We are motivated, he says, by politics, not by principle. The principled people marching to oppose war are "useful idiots" according to Perkins.

He is talking not only about war protestors and "Bush-bashing opinion writers," but also "those stumping for the Democratic presidential nomination".

Finally, he ends his hate-filled column by once again insinuating that we are traitors - "Their opposition, their criticism is fuel not so much by reason, but by hatred - toward their president or toward their country."

That would be an interesting test. If Bush tried to: raise the minimum wage, help the unemployed and working poor, protect the environment, prosecute corporate crimes, appoint moderates as judges and cabinet members, enhance civil liberties, raise taxes on the top 5%, tell the truth and admit his mistakes, call for more cooperation and less vitriol, or try to create peace - if he did some of that, would we still hate him? Please try it, Mr. President.

Could Perkins point to some of Bush's positive accomplishments instead of bashing Bush's critics? Does Perkins think it is wrong to hate a President who lies to us? Is it wrong to write: "And it is because of the sum total of his transgressions ... that is no longer fit to occupy this nation's highest office." or "And your man, the president, is a scoundrel of historic rank."

Certainly that is what we believe when we read David Corn's "The Lies of George W. Bush", but those two quotes were written on 9-18-98 and 8-18-98 as part of the odious oeuvre of Joseph Perkins - an apostle of a gospel of hate.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

68. Add to that the Anthrax attacks on Democratic leadership and media outlets.

Add to that, gay bar and abortion clinic bombings. Remember Eric Rudolf?

How about McVeigh and the Oklahoma bombings?

Kinda adds up after a while doesn't it?


Yeah, I know. You and Brit Hume may say that these deaths and injuries are a drop in the bucket compared to ALL violent crime committed in this country. You know - like Hume's retarded logic concerning soldier's deaths in Iraq.....

.....but we are talking about violent murders for terrorism's sake and the right gets to own THAT 100%. That's the point of this thread - which you apparently missed.

[Uncle Joe]

29. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, pepperbear.:thumbsup:

[ooglymoogly]

31. KR for an excellent post. nt

[graywarrior]

33. Support for this thread

[AllyCat]

34. Oh yeah.

[Milspec]

35. big time K&R

[annabanana]

40. 100 recs!! Oh yeah. . . . .n/\t

[Kablooie]

42. Problem is the RW see these violent acts as perfectly justified. This is the America they want.

They see anarchic violence as good and honorable as long as it's done by the RW against others.

You can't shame them with something they take pride in.

[Fire1sKid]

57. Very True!!!

These are the same freepers that cheer during the movies when Rambo and Arnold blow up shit.

[Xenotime]

43. Roadmap of the right wing terrorists

[BlooInBloo]

46. + 1 brazillion.

[grantcart]

47. What is the "Pottery House Rule"? You broke it, you own it.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

50. As the Party of Personal Responsibliity....

they will do no such thing.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

52. Rec 137

Unfortunately, cowardice and mendacity cancel out ownership, so we're gonna see a lot more of O'Reilly telling liberals they've got blood on their hands.

[suffragette]

53. Well said

K&R

[EastTennesseeDem]

54. Bill Gwatney

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/13/arkansas.shooting/index.html

[Initech]

55. GOP = party of dipshits and psychopaths

[Swamp Rat]

58. k&r

[opihimoimoi]

62. My Fave color...LOL..... :o)

:kick:

[Swamp Rat]

63. aloha opihimoimoi!

:hi: you me go blue water catch big fish... luau on beach, fun at night with big fire, sweet smoke, and hula girls. :D :smoke: :9 :hi:

I go here Tuesday:



may never leave... :D

[opihimoimoi]

65. Where is dis beeech??? looks like Bahamas or Cuba....roll some cigars...

Come, we go Luau...see my web site under construction...me want big 5 day luau for hooponopono...for global Peace...When i make...you are coming as special guest....

we go fish mahimahi and ono....wahoo...super ono for sashimi w wasabi...

[joshcryer]

61. The new talking point is that these crimes were done by leftists.

:rofl:

[Tx4obama]

64. K&R nt

[Tabasco_Dave]

67. K&R

:applause: :kick: