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Kurska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 05:37 PM
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Lets have a solidarity thread for those fighting and possibly dying for freedom in Iran.
If anyone needs our hopes and prayers right now it is them.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 05:39 PM
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1. I'm with them and I'll burn a candle for them
vibes and prayers to the people of Iran.
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 03:40 AM
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63. Bravo Iran...

You've got more balls than the TV and Cable watching americans that sat on their collective asses
while Busch stole the election and fucked up the country and that are now mad at obama because he can't
fix the mess quick enough for em.
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Rectangle Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 05:34 AM
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72. We should feel solidarity with them. They've had 30 years of the Mullahs-We've had
30 years of the Far Right Christian Taliban running things here.
It looks like both are on the wrong side of history!!
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 04:55 PM
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123. Liz Cheney said it doesn't matter. Looks like it matters to the Iranians.
Neocons want to invade Iran, don't want it to become a democracy.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 05:45 PM
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2. I've been looking for a thread on any site that the Iranians might read,
haven't found one, this looks good. Thanks.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 05:45 PM
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3. I'll go along with that...
I wish we could have ONE thread for all the news too... I'm popping around all over the place
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 05:48 PM
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4. So am I!
This is so important to the Iranians, but it's also important to the world. What is going on there is astounding.
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Kurska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 05:52 PM
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6. This is the most blatantly stolen election for a previously free country in history.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 06:00 PM
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7. That country will never be really free until it's not ruled by mullahs.
But from what I've been reading today, signs point to fraud, yes. On the upside, thank God there are people who are aiming for real freedom.
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 01:22 AM
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56. except the ones we had here 2001 and 2004, no?
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 08:40 AM
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81. Took the words out of my mouth.
I wonder who helped the Iranian PTB steal the election?
Hmmmmmmmm?
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 05:51 PM
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5. Very much agree!!
We should all be thinking about these brave people who want so much to direct their own lives and country. I hope great things are in store for them.

I am grateful beyond words that we didn't bomb these people like Dick Cheney wanted to so badly.


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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 06:32 PM
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18. nothing would ruin everything for democracy and reform more than something like that
Nothing silences dissent more than a real outside enemy threatening or attacking a country. Even in America that was the result of 9/11. How much more so in a country like Iran.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 06:04 PM
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8. I hope they overthrow that dictator
This is awful - I stand with the people in the street.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 04:36 AM
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69. yes, then they can replace him with khomeni's prime minister.
change we can believe in. or at least get more oil revenues from.
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tiny elvis Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 01:22 PM
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114. thank you
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 06:08 PM
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9. Best links for news about the situation in Iran?
Here is one I have been pasting everywhere:

http://tehranbureau.com/2009/06/13/alerts-from-tehran/

What are the best news sources for this information? I just read one from ABC, and it was comprehensive, but now I can't find it. Too many different threads!
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 06:11 PM
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10. Here's another one that has been posted frequently (Sullivan at the Atlantic):
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 03:51 AM
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64. Rightwinger Sullivan is pushing the analysis of rightwing Krauthammer there
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 04:03 AM
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66. Iran : Students grill Moussavi about the 1988 massacre of political prisoners
On Monday, one of the students asked Moussavi about kangaroo trials that issued judgments in the span of a few minutes and led to the execution of thousands of political prisoners in 1988. The student added: At the time, you were the prime minister. You were the third most powerful person in the country. What do you have to say now about your silence back then when all this was taking place? Was your silence a sign of endorsement? We want to stress again that you should explicitly respond to this question.

However, Moussavi refused to address the question directly, and as he was leaving the arena, students chanted, “Mirhossein, give us an answer about 1988.” Students also shouted slogans against other regime officials, in addition to Moussavi.

http://ncr-iran.org/content/view/6314/1/
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 06:12 PM
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11. We stand with our brothers and sisters who seek
a free election.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 06:14 PM
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12. Their votes should matter
I hope they will.
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 06:17 PM
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13. Wear green to show your support.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 06:20 PM
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14. Checking in. nt
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 06:27 PM
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15. I'd be surprised if there's anyone on DU who is not
rooting for the Iranian opposition forces to be victorious.

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 06:35 PM
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21. Oh, I'm sure there are plenty here who are Ahmadinajad apologists who will accuse the opposition...
...of being CIA astroturf. :eyes:
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 06:51 PM
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25. Plenty, eh? Their main evidence being
that astroturf is GREEN?
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 05:35 AM
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73. actually there is almost unanimity among progressive and the left that the election was stolen
- with only a few rare exceptions even the strongest critics of American policy in the Middle East are convinced this was a stolen election. What concerns some progressives most is that this stolen election will be used by the neocons and other reactionaries for retching up the rhetoric toward a military strike on Iran.

Absolutely nothing would harm the pro-democracy and pro-reform forces in Iran more than and play into the hands of the theocratic hardliners more than the appearance that the pro-democracy, pro-reform movement are stooges for the United States.

There was a good article today on Alternet by Steven Zunes. Also Juan Cole who strongly argued against and exposed the dishonest media propaganda that claimed that Ahmadinejad advocated launching a nuclear attack against Israel, still Dr. Cole has come out very clear in two different articles clearly laying out the case that the election was stolen.



Has the Election Been Stolen in Iran?

If it is true that Ahmadinejad's victory is fraudulent, it'll be a dream come true for those pushing a more confrontational approach with Iran.

By Stephen Zunes, AlterNet. Posted June 13, 2009.

Stephen Zunes is a professor of Politics and chair of Middle Eastern Studies at the University of San Francisco and serves as a senior policy analyst for Foreign Policy in Focus.

http://www.alternet.org/world/140626/has_the_election_been_stolen_in_iran/

"It is certainly not unprecedented for Western observers to miscalculate the outcome of an election in a country where pre-election polls are not as rigorous as Western countries, particularly when there is a clear bias towards a particular candidate. At the same time, the predictions of knowledgeable Iranian observers from various countries and from across the political spectrum were nearly unanimous in the belief that the leading challenger Mir Hossein Mousavi would defeat incumbent president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad decisively in yesterday’s presidential election, certainly in the runoff if not in the first round. This also appeared to be the assumption among independent observers in Iran itself.

So overwhelming were the signs of imminent Ahmadinejad defeat and so massive was the margin of his alleged victory, the only reasonable assumption was that there has been fraud on a massive scale. What polls did exist showed Mousavi leading by a clear majority and Ahmadinejad well under 40%, a margin roughly similar to what most analysts had suggested based on anecdotal evidence. Instead, the official results show Ahmadinejad winning by an overwhelming 63% of the vote. "

snip: "There are also more direct indications of fraud.

In past elections, there have been substantial variations in the vote of various candidates based on ethnicity and geography, but the official results show Ahmadinejad’s vote totals being relatively uniform across the country. Mousavi, an Azeri from the province of Azerbaijan who has been quite popular there, did poorly, according to official results. This is particularly striking since even minor candidates from that area had done disproportionately well in previous elections. Similarly, Mehdi Karoubi, the other reformist candidate and an ethnic Lur, supposedly fared poorly in his home province of Luristan. Nationally, Karoubi went from 17% in the 2005 election to less than 1% this year with no apparent reason for such a precipitous decline. Meanwhile, the much-despised Mohsen Rezaie, the other hardline candidate, allegedly got twice as many votes."

snip: "The stealing of the Iranian presidential elections is a dream come true for American neo-conservatives and others pushing for a more confrontational approach with Iran. It is imperative that we not allow the hard-liners of either country an illegitimate victory and give our support to Iranian democrats in their struggle to reclaim their country."

link to full article:

http://www.alternet.org/world/140626/has_the_election_been_stolen_in_iran/?page=1










Ahmadinejad reelected under cloud of fraud


By Juan Cole

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/06/13/iran /

"Obama administration officials were privately casting doubt on the announced vote tallies. They pointed out that it was unlikely that Ahmadinejad had defeated his chief opponent, Mir-Hossein Moussavi, by a margin of 57 percent, in Moussavi's own home city of Tabriz. Nor is it plausible, as claimed, that Ahmadinejad won a majority of votes in the capital, Tehran, from which he hails. The final tally also gave only 320,000 votes to the other reformist candidate, Mehdi Karoubi, who had helped force Ahmadinejad into a runoff election when he ran in 2005. It seems odd that he get less than 1 percent of the votes in this round. Karoubi, an ethnic Lur from Iran's west, was even alleged to have done poorly in those provinces.

The final vote counts alleged for cities and provinces, even more so than the landslide claimed by the incumbent nationally, strongly suggest a last-minute and clumsy fraud. A carefully planned theft of the election would at least have conceded Tabriz to Moussavi and the rural western Iranian villages to Karoubi."

snip: "The primary challenger to incumbent Ahmadinejad, former Prime Minister Mir-Hossein Moussavi, was widely thought to have a number of crucial constituencies behind him. Urban youth and women, who had elected a reformist president in 1997 and 2001, showed enthusiasm for Moussavi. He also showed an ability to bring out big crowds in his native Azerbaijan, where a Turkic language, Azeri, is spoken rather than Persian. (Azeris constitute about a third of the Iranian population.) It was expected that if the turnout was large, that would help Moussavi.

But not only did Iran's Electoral Commission announce that Ahmadinejad had won almost two-thirds of the general vote, it also gave him big majorities in major cities such as Tehran and Tabriz (the latter is the capital of Azerbaijan). These results seemed unbelievable not only to Moussavi supporters but to many professional Iran observers."

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/06/13/iran /






Saturday, June 13, 2009

Stealing the Iranian Election
by Juan Cole


Top Pieces of Evidence that the Iranian Presidential Election Was Stolen

1. It is claimed that Ahmadinejad won the city of Tabriz with 57%. His main opponent, Mir Hossein Mousavi, is an Azeri from Azerbaijan province, of which Tabriz is the capital. Mousavi, according to such polls as exist in Iran and widespread anecdotal evidence, did better in cities and is popular in Azerbaijan. Certainly, his rallies there were very well attended. So for an Azeri urban center to go so heavily for Ahmadinejad just makes no sense. In past elections, Azeris voted disproportionately for even minor presidential candidates who hailed from that province.

2. Ahmadinejad is claimed to have taken Tehran by over 50%. Again, he is not popular in the cities, even, as he claims, in the poor neighborhoods, in part because his policies have produced high inflation and high unemployment. That he should have won Tehran is so unlikely as to raise real questions about these numbers.

3. It is claimed that cleric Mehdi Karoubi, the other reformist candidate, received 320,000 votes, and that he did poorly in Iran's western provinces, even losing in Luristan. He is a Lur and is popular in the west, including in Kurdistan. Karoubi received 17 percent of the vote in the first round of presidential elections in 2005. While it is possible that his support has substantially declined since then, it is hard to believe that he would get less than one percent of the vote. Moreover, he should have at least done well in the west, which he did not.

link to full article:

http://juancole.com/2009/06/stealing-iranian-election.html

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 04:13 AM
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68. pfft. asshole number one v. asshole number two. asshole number two currently more in favor with US
big deal. They're all crooks & murderers. It's hysterical reading the posts on this thread, everyone "standing in solidarity" for this asshole:


"On Monday, one of the students asked Moussavi about kangaroo trials that issued judgments in the span of a few minutes and led to the execution of thousands of political prisoners in 1988. The student added: At the time, you were the prime minister. You were the third most powerful person in the country. What do you have to say now about your silence back then when all this was taking place? Was your silence a sign of endorsement? We want to stress again that you should explicitly respond to this question.

However, Moussavi refused to address the question directly, and as he was leaving the arena, students chanted, “Mirhossein, give us an answer about 1988.” Students also shouted slogans against other regime officials, in addition to Moussavi."

http://ncr-iran.org/content/view/6314/1/


The Terror Masters in Moussavi's Campaign Team

I was once told by a wiseman in Iran that more than finding out who the candidates are in Iranian politics, one should find out who their backers and friends are.

Taking on that advise, lets not even go into the fact that Moussavi was the Iranian prime minister during the 80s, the worst years of repression and terror, and the massacre of Iranian political prisoners in 1988. Lets give Moussavi the benefit of the doubt and say there were special circumstances because of the war and he could not interfere in the massacres. Let us not even consider that Moussavi's cabinet in the 80s consisted of some of the most brutal henchmen like Reyshahri, Asgaroladi, Rafighdoost, Velayati etc. Lets just look at his team members today...

http://azarmehr.blogspot.com/2009/06/terror-masters-in-moussavis-campaign.html.





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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 08:22 AM
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79. Blow your sad sham cynicism out your asshole
They are standing in solidarity with what people chose.

Don't like it?

SUCK IT.

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 12:49 PM
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111. maybe they should tell the US government to "stand in solidarity" with the results of the iraqi
referendum, then. Or to even allow said referendum.
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bonnieS Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 08:41 AM
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82. if the people's choice
was limited, at least they wanted to be able to choose. It's not as if our choices here are so wonderful, either. That is not the point. They are fighting to uphold the true winner, the person they actually wanted to vote for and did vote for, the truth. The solidarity is for THEM not for the winner or loser.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:04 AM
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85. Thank you. Well said. (nt)
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 03:18 PM
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119. +1
:headbang:
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 05:33 PM
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126. There's already been at least one
I was debating with said person in another thread about whether or not this is all CIA psy-ops.
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 06:03 PM
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128. I would like to see that argument.
If you feel it might be against the rules to post a link, would you message it to me?

Thanks.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 06:36 PM
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129. Here
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 06:28 PM
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16. of course, we can only hope and pray this will lead to change in Iran
It is very important though that the reformers in Iran are not seen as stooges for America. That would be the kiss of death for any meaningful reform movement given their collective memory of their own history.

Al Jazeera English offers the absolute best journalistic coverage of the election:

http://english.aljazeera.net/



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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 06:29 PM
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17. My solidarity with the anti-fascist hopers and dreamers of Iran.
The whole world is watching. May justice eventually prevail in your cause.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 06:33 PM
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19. *Odin Sings "We Shall Overcome"*
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 06:34 PM
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20. A shout-out to my friend Mehdi, a ship captain and budding musician.
I'm thinking of you, my friend, and hoping you are safe! :pals::hug::fistbump:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 06:38 PM
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22. No, thanks. The deaths of other people for "freedom"
aren't something I should endorse, let alone cheer along.

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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 01:18 AM
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54. You're right. Yay, dictatorships!!! Hooray for womens rights abuses!
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:32 AM
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101. Apparently the opposition wanted to decrease
the role of islamic enforcement on women in public, getting rid of the 'fashion police' and opening the public sphere a bit more freely to women. At least that's partly what they ran on, if the reports here were accurate.

They're still a highly sexist culture, but I'll bet many of those women we saw voting in hijab were voting to take those suckers off....
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 02:33 AM
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60. So...what?
You don't endorse or cheer for freedom. Got it
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 06:15 AM
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75. You're completely USELESS.
Edited on Sun Jun-14-09 06:16 AM by TheWatcher
Go get drunk off of Junk Culture and numb out then.

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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:11 AM
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95. Typical American
because Americans are spineless cowards we had to deal with an illegitimate Bush presidency in 2000.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:29 AM
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97. No one said anything about
Edited on Sun Jun-14-09 11:56 AM by Kajsa
"endorsing" the deaths, let alone
"cheer along".

This thread is for standing in solidarity
with the Iranians fighting for their democracy
and a fair, legit election.
Look up the word in the dictionary.

from the OP,

"If anyone needs our hopes and prayers right now it is them."

What were you reading ( into it) ?

Again, you twist the words to completely
change the topic of the OP.

No surprise there.

:eyes:
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:30 AM
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99. Self delete -Duplicate post.
Edited on Sun Jun-14-09 11:33 AM by Kajsa

Darn computer error message!
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 06:43 PM
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23. I am with them.
:peace sign:
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 06:47 PM
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24. what Iran needs are some musicians to perform there
in support of those who want change.

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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 07:39 PM
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30. Iranian rap (video)- Iran Facebook site
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 06:54 PM
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26. I blame western colonialism, so yeah, we had better support them.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 06:58 PM
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27. From Tehran Bureau:
Martial Law in Tabriz, Iran; many arrested.

Emerging reports that the following individuals from Jebhe Mosharekat are among the people who have been rounded up and taken to undisclosed locations: Mohsen Mirdamadi, Zahra Mojaradi, Saeed Shariati, Zahra Aghajari, Abdolah Ramezanzadeh.

Mohammad Reza Khatami, the brother of former president, is said to be among those arrested, although this could not be verified.

Mostafa Tajzadeh and Behzad Nabavi are among those arrested from Sazeman Mojahedin Enghelabi.

Says one Iran watcher: “If the integrity of the election process were defensible, there would be no reason to go berserk like this.”

http://tehranbureau.com/2009/06/13/alerts-from-tehran/
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LongTomH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 12:01 PM
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105. I got "Page Load Error" when I tried to open the page!
The network timed out. Is that due to high traffic - or...........?
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Kurska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 07:29 PM
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28. I'm crying now, it's so beautiful to see people actually stand up and fight for democracy
God I hope they all end up okay.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 07:30 PM
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29. I teared up when I saw this, in retrospect:
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 08:34 PM
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34. I don't want the violence - but I wish this country would learn to value Democracy
And actually work - fight - and struggle to ensure that all of our voices are counted and the government actually works for the people.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 08:21 PM
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31. K & R in solidarity.
If we all kept our governments accountable, they wouldn't be in this position.
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rollin74 Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 08:22 PM
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32. solidarity here
in support of Iranian students. Let's hope for an end to the theocracy and the bloodshed.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 08:33 PM
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33. My thoughts and best wishes are with them
It's amazing to watch this play out. It's a first that we can actually watch this play out in real time right from the sources on the ground.

I hope that they are able to resolve this and change the direction of their country from the hardliners.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 08:36 PM
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35.  Our best hopes and wishes for the citizens of Iran. eom
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 08:37 PM
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36. K&R.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 09:21 PM
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37. kick...before I go to bed with my dogs...n/t
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 10:15 PM
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38. Oh, this damn sure gets a kick and rec from me.
THANK YOU.
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 10:48 PM
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39. Watch This Video
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/06/the-revolution-will-be-twittered-1.html

NOT on CNN

NOT on FOX or ABC or NBC or CBS

NOT on NPR

NOT on DU's Top 5 Greatest Threads

Because DUers have more important issues than the biggest, most important, most exciting news story in the world at this moment.

In Iran, the Internet was shut down on Friday. For the coup d'etat.

In the U.S., the media is shut down since 2000 for the ongoing right-wing Christianist military coup.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 11:05 PM
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41. Our press has been shut down since '63 at the least . . . .
"The myth of a free press died with the assassination of JFK" . . .

Nor were 2000 and 2004 the beginning of the steals . . .

they probably began in mid-1960's, late-1960's --

Coincidentally, about the time America was passing the Voting Rights Act!!!

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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 11:23 PM
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45. Granted. But you must admit: Media is worse and worse. Proof?
Proof is: they're getting away with more and more. BUSH got away with 2000? THEN 2004??

Prediction: Obama has a "heart attack" due to "cigarette smoking". Then when the F-16s crash into the Capitol Dome and wipe out only Democrats?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 11:47 PM
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47. I don't watch, but I'll admit that . .. I've never had much tolerance
for fake interviews, etc and it's always been very obvious to me --

I've never understood how any ever watched the Sunday shows!

I do watch Jon Stewart, Rachel Maddow, Olbermann -- Colbert

Olbermann shows entirely too much film on GOP'ers -- especially Newt --

often the shows now seem entirely about them. Love what he's doing to Limbaugh.

Rachel's been very good and try to keep an eye on what she's doing --

Video's up here are also helpful when you've missed a segment.

I watch C-span I, II, II which have never recovered from the Gingrich coup --

Our corporate press is part of the machinery of election steals -- and is complicit

in aiding the coverups of our political violence here in America over 50 years.

I say throw out the idiot box . . . but I'm at the moment loving Wm. Holden's clothing

in "Sunset Strip" -- and his car! Recently they ran "Shoes of the Fisherman" for the

first time in about 15 years? And, they also brought back "Popi" which is Alan Arkin

film role where he is a Puerto Rican dad to two young boys in NYC .... in the 1970's/?

His kids are seemingly being destroyed in the Bronx ghetto. He develops a plan to

take them to Florida and set them adrift in a boat where when rescued they will pretend

to be CUBANS . . . welcomed, loved and adopted into a better life!

Great movie!

It's a love/hate relationship -- do the best you can with it!

:hi:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 11:23 PM
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44. Above all else, the media has turned to the service of the status quo...
As such, videos like that aren't exactly high on their list of priorities to show people.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:10 AM
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94. I can't get the video.
Why?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 11:00 PM
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40. I was just throwing a plea to the fates ....
unfortunately, also known as "the tricksters" . . . !!!

There's so much worrisome news like this today, I'm kinda hiding ---

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 11:18 PM
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42. The US should have a candle-light vigil for Iran.
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 11:29 PM
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46. You mean like Iran had the ONLY vigil for the U.S. on 9/11? Iran ROCKS. Imagine Americans standing
up for ANYTHING? Against anything?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 11:51 PM
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48. That's lovely . . . I didn't know that -- !!!
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 12:21 AM
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49. Photos: Iran's candlelight vigil on 9/11. Not even Americans had a vigil.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 01:16 AM
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53. Thank you . . . never saw those photos before ...
These are beautiful and intelligent people - who have suffered largely because

of America's corrupt influence on their nation.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 11:21 PM
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43. Best wishes and support to them.
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farmboxer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 12:42 AM
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50. Sounds like Iran had an Rovian style election
like we had back in 2000 and 2004!

Those protesters are very brave people.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 12:56 AM
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51. They have our thoughts and prayers.
I have no doubt that the courage and heart of the Iranian people will win out, it is only a matter of when.
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AbbeyRoad Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 01:02 AM
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52. Here is another K&R in support n/t
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 01:20 AM
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55. We are making a beautiful song for you, and we.
Thank you for being educated, intelligent, and professional in
your political relationships and not war monger crazies.

love, my america
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 01:35 AM
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57. Candles lit here for the people of Iran!
K and R
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 01:45 AM
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58. Kumbiya. We in the US have had our OWN troubles/issues.....which we NEVER ADDRESSED...
....although some people tried.


Iranians don't need US 'help'......we'd best 'stay away' bc the US would just f*ck it up, as usual.
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 02:32 AM
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59. Way to be a debbie downer
Solidarity thread, no one said anything about 'helping' in any way, shape or form.

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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 03:06 AM
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61. K&R.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 03:31 AM
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62. My thoughts are with them!
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 04:01 AM
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65. "freedom": Iran : Students grill Moussavi about the 1988 massacre of political prisoners
On Monday, one of the students asked Moussavi about kangaroo trials that issued judgments in the span of a few minutes and led to the execution of thousands of political prisoners in 1988. The student added: At the time, you were the prime minister. You were the third most powerful person in the country. What do you have to say now about your silence back then when all this was taking place? Was your silence a sign of endorsement? We want to stress again that you should explicitly respond to this question.

However, Moussavi refused to address the question directly, and as he was leaving the arena, students chanted, “Mirhossein, give us an answer about 1988.” Students also shouted slogans against other regime officials, in addition to Moussavi.

http://ncr-iran.org/content/view/6314/1/
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 04:10 AM
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67. Theres a whole lot of people there
who will suffer, no matter what happens. I wish them as best as can be, no matter their affiliation.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 04:58 AM
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70. K&R
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 05:25 AM
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71. KNR!!
Prayers for Iran!
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 06:14 AM
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74. This cannot be Kicked And Recommended ENOUGH.
I Stand with them as well.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 06:29 AM
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76. Hardline religious politicians with a dimishing, but radical following
Stealing elections because it's the only way they have left to them that provides victory.
Then stoking their vocal minority to warn of enemies all around them, and so with Guns'N'God,
they will protect their beloved homeland from the enemies without and traitors within.

How sad that the above scenario sounds so very frighteningly familiar.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 07:05 AM
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77. Do you have any links to articles on people fighting for freedom in Iran?
I've never seen one article on the subject, sorry to say.

Could be that "corporate media" which we do know shields and protects the right-wing genocide in Latin America also has been blocking news on Iran.

If you have news to assist people who've never heard of people fighting for freedom in Iran, this would be the ideal place to post it, since you have taken the floor on the subject.
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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 07:36 AM
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78. I wish them well and hope they succeed in their efforts
If the citizens of the USA had had their kind of courage following the 2000 "election," our country might be a lot better off.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 08:31 AM
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80. KnR
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:02 AM
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83. Ahmadinejad's gloating and dismissive attitude toward his citizens only
bolster the case of the reformist.
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mrs_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:04 AM
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84. k/r
Edited on Sun Jun-14-09 09:05 AM by mrs_p
i stand with any people fighting for their freedom. i just hope that the mullahs (who probably won't be overthrown) give in before too many suffer.
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Aslanspal Donating Member (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:14 AM
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86. Those Kidos (Kids to me) you cannot put them back in the can....they are out
American needs to let them know we stand with them and that they are the change against constipated religious power brokers.

I think if the Republican Guard is let lose on them ...there will be long term Civil War.


We that being said ...stop the killing a beatings Iran the world is watching
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designforce Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:14 AM
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87. NEVER GIVE UP!
I AM PROUD TO SEE PEOPLE STANDING UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT.

STAY STRONG!
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:40 AM
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88. there fight is also our fight, today I am Iranian.
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HOLOS Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:41 AM
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89. praying for Freedom and well being for all Iranians...so brave
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:43 AM
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90. Big K & R !!!
:kick:
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Jester Messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 10:43 AM
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91. My hopes are with them.
And I really, really hope that our politicians don't do something ham-fisted and stupid to get in the way of what's going on over there. Luckily, the man in charge over here is (for once) not a drooling idiot.
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 10:44 AM
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92. I'm in.
K&R.
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usualblacksheep Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:10 AM
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93. I send my hope to them
Never give up!
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:23 AM
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96. In solidarity with the Iranians
who are fighting for their democracy!

:kick: and R.
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Milspec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:29 AM
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98. big time K&R
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:32 AM
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100. Here.
I don't get on the computer much anymore, but I am glad to be here today.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:34 AM
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102. Did you hope and pray for Ahmed Chalabi too?
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Libby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:57 AM
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103. K&R
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:57 AM
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104. With the good and brave people of Iran
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 12:05 PM
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106. Authoritarians worldwide despise true democracy.
Sound like a certain party here in America? Ahmenutjob and Limpbaugh are cut from the same cloth.

Solidarity to those Iranians who cherish democracy and freedom from the tyranny of theocracy.

Peace to them.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 12:16 PM
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107. K/R
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 12:27 PM
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108. My thoughts and prayers are with them
I stand in solidarity with them. This is a terribly, terribly sad day for the people of Iran and for democratic freedom. I hope for a better future for the people of Iran
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 12:27 PM
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109. Double post
Edited on Sun Jun-14-09 12:28 PM by RFKHumphreyObama
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 12:37 PM
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110. K&R. My heart is with the Iranians who are standing up for their freedom.
:grouphug:
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onestepforward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 12:59 PM
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112. K&R
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 01:04 PM
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113. The people have spoken!
Edited on Sun Jun-14-09 01:07 PM by Kajsa
from chill-wind's thread in Videos.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x324158

Read the comments below the clip in youtube.
There's a lot of solidarity there!
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sandyj999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 01:31 PM
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115. I am behind you and you are in my prayers. n/t
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 01:54 PM
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116. K and R for the people of Iran. Down with repressive and abusive governments
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urbuddha Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 02:15 PM
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117. ***
I will pray for the people of Iran.
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Richd506 Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 03:07 PM
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118. K & R
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 03:58 PM
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120. To the People Of Iran
Our President and Our People stand with you. May you realize Peace and Victory in the days to come.
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sub.theory Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 04:37 PM
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121. Together In Freedom
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Good luck people of Iran! I hope you win your freedom.
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pitchforksandtorches Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 04:43 PM
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122. Send over Rush and Hannity to give us an updated report
and O'Lielly for good measure.
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 05:16 PM
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124. My Thoughts And Prayers Are For Those Iranians Fighting Today's Theocrats
My thoughts and prayers are with those Iranians fighting today's theocrats just as so many Iranians fought against the tyrannical Pahlavi regime over a generation ago. May the Iranian people have better luck this time than they did back in 1978, when the tyranny of the Shah was replaced by the tyranny of the Ayatollahs.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 05:41 PM
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127. Mousavi was the ayatollah khomeni's prime minister. He shut down iran's university system
because it wasn't fundie enough.

but whee, let's hear it for the new "freedom"! (tm)
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 07:50 AM
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130. Most of the Voters Wanted Liberty
whatever the case may be about Mousavi and other opportunistic dictatorial wanna-bes, most of the Iranians who voted and who are currently being attacked by local and imported goons of the Islamic 'Republic', wanted more liberty, even if they would likely have been betrayed by their leaders had the elections been legitimate and the results actually honored.

But go ahead, let your distaste for the thought of American hegemonism override any written or spoken concern for the people whose rights to life and liberty are currently being trampled across Iran and the millions of Iranians who want and deserve something better than what they have or are now likely to get.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 03:50 AM
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131. that's why it's sad they're not going to get something better.
Edited on Tue Jun-16-09 03:51 AM by Hannah Bell
we're not, either.

the world is going to get something much worse.
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 05:31 PM
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125. K&R
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jeanpalmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 06:01 AM
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132. Here are the election results
by province from Iran's Interior Ministry:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2009/jun/15/iran1

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133. Please consider signing this petition
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