Jay Leno joke about Bristol Palin

[dancingme]

"Gov. Palin announced over the weekend that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter is five months pregnant. And you thought John Edwards was in trouble before! Now he has really done it." -- "The Tonight Show With Jay Leno," 9/2/08

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=5719503&page=1

Where was the outrage then?

[UTUSN]

1. K&R #3, *and* I'll IDENTIFY myself!1 n/t

[MercutioATC]

2. The problem is that it wasn't Bristol at the baseball game.

It was Willow....and she IS 14.

Letterman's writers just didn't do their homework and Palin has used that to her advantage.

[lapfog_1]

8. But, as was pointed out...

this was Bristol... and she was 17 at the time the joke was told.

How is that any different?

Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that a "well known Democratic wife cheater" was the other butt of the joke, could it (from the Palins' perspective)? Or is it that Bristol is already a slut (according to their belief system)?

[MercutioATC]

10. A pregnant 17-year-old is different than a 14-year old.

Both are minors, but sex jokes about a pregnant 17-year-old aren't nearly as apt to arouse ire as are sex jokes about a 14-year-old.

[lapfog_1]

15. Palin is Poutraged by the

implied statutory rape of the 14 year old. In which case, as you pointed out, the 17 year old (pregnant or not) was also a minor, and therefore there was the SAME implied rape in the Leno joke.

Where was the faux outrage over that "rape joke" about her daughter?

[wndycty]

25. The distinction between 17 and 14 only matters if you talking about the age of consent. . .

. . .which is really a technicality. The age of consent is different in every state which might be why the Palins thought to make Willow 14 when she is really 15.

[verges]

38. I saw aletterman.

I thought the joke was about Bristol (the one who got pregnant!) And, as I understand it, Willow wasn't at the damn baseball game either!

[Bette Noir]

46. There was never any sex jokes about Willow.

Of course, no Republican would ever admit this. They're having too good a time pretending to be outraged. Of course, they weren't outraged when jokes were told about Chelsea, who was even younger.

[MercutioATC]

51. My point is that it was Willow at the baseball game, not Bristol.

So Letterman, however unintentionally, WAS making the joke about a 15-year-old.

[Blue_In_AK]

47. Not as a justification, but there is some question

as to Willow's true age. Some sources give her date of birth as January 1994, which would make her now 15-1/2, not 14, in which case Sarah is exaggerating her youth for effect -- something that would be entirely within her MO.

Here is a photo of young Willow as she appeared on stage with her mother prior to a walk for autism in New York last week. While this attire is probably perfectly fine when hanging out with friends, if I were her mother and a governor, I would have dressed her a little more conservatively for an "official" appearance.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zo3O5d6rNlc/Si3PMOrpYHI/AAAAAAAAAGM/pg1wyU_j33A/s400/Willow+Palin+June+2009.jpg

[Dave From Canada]

65. It's a lot different. That joke is actually funny, and it's more at the expense of John Edwards.

Look. All of you ideologues can justify the joke any way you want, because it's at the expense of Sarah Palin and her family, so that makes it alright. But we all know, this forum would be yelling and screaming and demanding resignations if somebody on the right made an equally offensive joke, regarding Chelsea Clinton back when she was around the same age. Most of you apologists in this forum are hypocrites. And I'm sure if Rush Limbaugh makes a joke in a few years about Sasha Obama, you'll all be slapping your knees in laughter.

Pathetic.

[CitizenPatriot]

16. willow is actually 15

the Palins lied about her age for some odd reason. Born in January of 1994. And as of yet, no one can find any pictures of her at the game. Odd. The pictures of the Palins and Guilianies are available, but you can't see any kids.

I agree that they didn't do their homework and the Palins are using that to their advantage....

but at any rate, Letterman was referring to the older daughter..the one who got "knocked up" and looks just like Willow.

[progressoid]

19. Odd? Not so much.

They figure they can get a lot more traction from the outrage over a 14 yr old than a 15 yr old.

[unc70]

37. Alaska age of consent is 16. Younger + partner older by 3 years

Palin might be making the apparently false claim about the age (14 rather than 15) because of NY laws, not Alaska ones. (IANAL My understanding of these laws is limited to what I have read online.)

As I read the laws in Alaska, 16 is age of consent for all sexual acts. Age of partner not considered at all. (Those subject to UCMJ need to treat everyone under 18 as off limits.)

If 13, 14, or 15 then sexual relations are a crime only for a partner more than 3 years older. So, a 15 year old with an 18 year old might not be illegal.

In New York the age of consent is 17, and the law makes a big distinction between ages 14 and 15. Sex with someone under 15 is considered a "violent felony".


One strange bit of Alaska law is that the age is raised from 16 to 18 if the partner has authority over the younger participant; authority is things like parent, step-parent, guardian, etc.

[Blue_In_AK]

48. The last paragraph of that law

came about because of a very high profile case several years ago where a popular teacher (and columnist for the Anchorage Daily News) had a little fling with one of his 17- or 18-year-old seniors. There was no provision in the law at that time to make this illegal since she was above age of consent, but everyone was so outraged that an amendment to the statute was passed to include this "authority" thing for the older teens.

[unc70]

72. Much the same here in NC - specific law against student/teacher

From my somewhat limited perspective, it seems there has always (?) (last 50 years) been a lot of S/T sex, not all of it in fantasies or porn. I remember from my school in the early 60's two women teachers involved with and later marrying students 4-6 years younger. I knew about several more cases that never became public. Nearly all of those involved teachers 21-23 and guys 17-19. Recently, there have been a bunch of cases involving students of 13 or 14. Our laws now prohibit all this to some rather high age - don't feel like looking up the details at the moment.

In Alaska, it looks like they made an effort to deal with the step-father or mother's boyfriend preying on youth in the household - quite common problem most everywhere.

[hfojvt]

41. you have a source for that age

my source says 1995.

[Blue_In_AK]

49. I have also seen July 1994.

Someone would need to do some research probably to get an actual date, and since the Palins are so stingy with birth records (no one has yet seen Trig's or Tripp's birth certificates) we may never know.

[hfojvt]

68. that would fit the same thing I have

I probably just got 14 in early 2009 and rounded that back to 1995. 18 March 2009 was when I recorded the date. It's in my genealogy file since they are distant relatives of mine.

[Blue_In_AK]

69. Lucky you.

I guess we all have questionable characters in our families. :) Are you related on the Heath side or the Palin side?

[hfojvt]

74. on the Gower side

Sarah's grandmother. I don't have any information on Todd Palin's ancestors. I seem to have more Republicans than Democrats in my family, but at least Taft was a pretty progressive Republican, perhaps better than the Democrat Cleveland. And one of the Democrats I am related to is Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

[CitizenPatriot]

75. ADN birth announcement and the medical report Palin supplied

the day before the election.

I didn't read them myself, but I read this fact in several Alaskan blogs which cited those sources, as well as a few others. Plus, she was described as 14 during the campaign and her birthday is in January.

Those same sources pointed out that Wiki and other sources now have 1995 listed. It's definitely odd, either way.

[CitizenPatriot]

77. found her birth date in the gov vetting docs

http://www.sarahpalinexposed.com/wp-content/uploads/Palin-2006-Vetting-Document/Palin-2006-Vetting-Document%2058.html

and yes, Sarah lied.

Willow born 1994.

[havocmom]

67. LOL Shall we start DEMANDING to see Willow's birth certificate to clear up the confusion

Poor Sarah. She just can't get on Springer.

[Blue_In_AK]

70. It seems only fair, doesn't it?

With all the persistent rumors about Trig's parentage, you would think that she would have coughed up a birth certificate for the little tyke. She would rather have the mystery out there; it keeps people talking. She's a pro at that.

(Obviously -- since here we are talking about the b****.)

[havocmom]

71. Didn't hear her with Matt. Husband had the clicker and TV goes silent when Sarah's on

But just watching was interesting. The wench positively beamed. She was SO thrilled to be on the TV again. Didn't look like righteous parental outrage. Looked like a spoiled kid who got to spend extra time with the grownups when it was past her bedtime.

She is a dismal failure but she thinks she is America's sweetheart. Worse, she seems to be competing with her pretty daughters now that they are growing up and she is growing older. That is gonna really make things difficult for the family. At some point, one of those girls will have to tell her to STFU and stop flirting with their beaus.

She is looking brittle. How long before she is wearing a turban and proclaiming she is ready for her closeup?

[CitizenPatriot]

76. LOL- I thought that, too...

Of course, it's really irrelevant (unless I'm missing something). Just another oddity in the saga/drama that is Sarah Palin.

[Autonomy]

22. I'm not sure there's an advantage

to fighting with a late night television comic for a potential presidential candidate. She can raise the ire of her base, but definintely does not appear presidential to everyone else.

I am also not sure it really matters which daughter was at the game. It was A JOKE, not a political accusation.

Also, had the writers looked at the photos, they could have still made the mistake:

"Sarah Palin's middle child, daughter Willow, has been mistaken for eldest daughter Bristol in recent weeks. The 14-year-old brunette, familiar face on the campaign trail and frequent holder of baby Trig is shown in AP the photos below"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/03/willow-palin-photos-pictu_n_123746.html

It's strange that they keep insisting their daughter is 14, when she is actually 15 now. Hmmm.....

As a side note, Willow is most definitely a natural beauty, regardless of her age.

[Johnnyheadstone]

52. From a comics perspective...

I can tell you that this joke was clearly aimed at Bristol...and she is an 18 year old adult who has willingly put herself in the public eye....because she was knocked up....right there is the context of the joke....the joke makes no sense (and is disgusting if it is aimed at a 14 year old) otherwise...Bristol was the daughter who was knocked up, she is well known for this, ARod is known for screwing around on his wife and being a bit of a douche...so when you make the joke about the Palin daughter being knocked up the context is that Bristol is the punchline....

And frankly I find it offensive that the Palin's are making such a big deal of this....they and they alone made the association with that joke and their 14 year old, they bear the responsibility for that, not Letterman. Shame on them.

This is the "lipstick on a pig" bullshit all over again...except this time no one is buying it

And if they think Letterman is going to slow down on them because they are so easily offended well...I doubt that

[opihimoimoi]

3. K&R #5 and proud of it...where? it wasn't expidient then...

[cboy4]

4. I guess when you're a Republican comedian like Leno ... even taking a

jab at Palin's (at the time) underage daughter, it's A-okay.

Nice hypocrisy! :wtf:

[MadBadger]

13. I dont think Leno is a Republican, I think he's pretty moderate

He's admitted to being socially liberal and fiscally conservative I believe.

Ive heard some people say he's a Republican, some he's a dem. I think he's in the middle.

[cboy4]

14. Uhhhh, I'll take your word for it althought I'm not 100 percent convinced.

We do know he's got his lips affixed to John McCain and Arnold's butt cheeks.

He seems the place Republicans like to swing by.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

20. and that's why he giggles continuously every time he repeatedly invites Dennis Miller on

"Kill them all and let God sort 'em out?"
tee-hee.

"Nuke them 'cuz heat and sand make glass?"
Slap that desk a little harder, Jay.

"Show those nonviolent protestors what violence really is?"
Let's go under the desk, Dennis.

Remember this is also the guy who let Herr Gropenfuhrer launch his campaign for Ca. governor on his show - and then refused to have the incumbent Democrat, Pete Wilson, on for equal time.

He crossed a picket line and broke the rules regarding writing jokes during the strike.
Then his rightwing producer came out and attacked the unions as being "communist."

And he's given warm and fuzzy interviews to the likes of Hannity and Coulter.

Jay is a rightwinger. no doubt about it.

[Rob H.]

28. Good call re: Dennis Miller

The thing about Leno's interviews with Dennis Miller were that he invited Miller on even when he wasn't pushing whatever latest about-to-go-straight-down-the-crapper radio/TV show or book he was involved in. If Leno didn't share and/or find humor in a lot of Miller's wingnut views there was no other reason for Leno to have him on so often, imo.

[AwakeAtLast]

5. Good catch!

[WeDidIt]

6. Kicking

so I can come back and kick it again tomorrow.

[jobycom]

7. You really can't tell the difference?

I'm asking. That's a completely different and less offensive joke than either Letterman told, but I guess it's like trying to explain to Republicans why irony and satire are funny. If you don't get it, you just don't.

When I used to manage retail I had trouble explaining this, too. It's the different between sexual harassment and joking. If you tease a pregnant employee by saying something like "Well, let's see whether the baby looks like Daddy or the milkman," most people will chuckle, and no one will be offended. But if you tease an employee by saying "Hey, Rachel, did you bang Bill like a bunny last night, you whore?" people in general are not going to laugh and Rachel (and if he's decent, Bill) are going to be highly offended.

Letterman didn't joke about the parentage of a baby, he joked that Palin's daughter was a tramp who had casual sex with strangers when you took your eye off her for a second. Then the next night he called her a prostitute. Okay, he's a comedian, they are supposed to push the envelope, and I'm not overly horrified by what he said--it was just a bad joke. He apologized, he explained that he knew why it was offensive, and he moved on. The fact that he apologized and explained himself alone proves that Letterman--unlike a lot of faux-outraged DUers--realizes he was way over the line, because Letterman rarely apologizes for anything.

I understand the outrage. I also understand that Palin is using this for publicity, sympathy, and a bit of revenge on someone who was harsh on her during the elections. She had a point, but she took it way too far and lied about Letterman's comments to boot, so she wound up using her child--the 14 year old--in worse ways that Letterman had used her other child. She should be ashamed, but Republicans don't understand shame, so she isn't.

But the fact that Palin is dumb and lacks any integrity and treats her family like PR campaign props rather than family she cares about doesn't change the fact that Letterman went over the line. Even Letterman gets this.

And it doesn't change the fact that NOW was right to point out that this is one of a growing number of examples from both parties of sexism in the media, of the complete objectification of girls and women as sex jokes, sex objects, punch lines, and tools to use against their males. We are sliding backwards--Hell, we are sprinting backwards--when it comes to sexism, misogyny, and gender equality in this nation, and Letterman was a culprit, not a solution nor a neutral bystander.

And his joke was far beyond the minor jab that Leno took.

Now I'm going to stop reading any more Letterman threads, including responses to my own post here, because I want to respect DU and don't know if I can much longer with the rampant and outrageous sexism that is tolerated and promulgated here since the primaries. It was always here, but it's never been this bad before. So respond how you want, I won't bother you with a reply to it.

[Inspired]

24. I support your post 100%.

Letterman went over the line and Palin is going to exploit it for a very long time. And she does have a point. Stop talking about her girls. 14 or 18 years old. It doesn't matter. It's wrong. And it is wrong for her to exploit her children as well.

God....I'm sick of reading about Sarah Palin! I'm sick of hearing jokes about her children. I'm sick of seeing her and Todd parading around like they are going to be the next 1st family.

I'm sick of the double standard on both sides.

[LuckyLib]

58. "we are sprinting backwards--when it comes to sexism, misogyny, and gender equality in this nation,"

Yes we are. One look at the inane reality television shows that are the opiate of the masses, and you can see how women are represented in our culture.

[Froward69]

9. with this revelation

it seems Letterman was targeted. Possibly for His reaction when McCain stood him up. (republican minds are vindictive)

[glinda]

11. I know there are more of these out there.

[Catherine Vincent]

12. This proves she's milking the Letterman joke

And the media is letting her do it!

:kick:

[Javaman]

17. Note the date. I'm not sure failin was picked to be vp yet. so she didn't want to piss people off. n

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

23. No one knew who she was til she was picked

Leno wouldn't have been doing jokes about a nobody.

and, if you recall, the pregnancy came out after McCain picked her

[CitizenPatriot]

18. I just saw this

Here's a video of the "feminist" and her 15 year old daughter in daisy dukes on stage at the autism event.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2009/06/sarah-addresses-new-york-crowd-about.html#comments

She's bending over in that short skirt on stage...bending from the waist with her back to the audience to put on a different pair of shoes. How odd.

[chatnoir]

60. As they mention at the link

"I am sorry but if the Governor is REALLY concerned about her young daughter being sexually harassed she may want to suggest that the young teen wear some less revealing clothing.

I'm just saying."

[brettdale]

21. Palin is going to milk this for months

I hope every comedian does leave her alone, I hope all media dont criticize her, and in fact I hope they suck up to her like Faux news, and call her a great leader, I hope she gets nothing but praise on the internet, SHE WILL LOSE EVERYTHING IF THIS HAPPENS.

She is brillant at playing the victim.

I hope she gets the gop nod in 2012, can you imagine a Obama Versus Palin debate??

It will be a landslide election.

[Swamp Rat]

29. HOPE SPRINGS ETERNAL!!!

I LOVE to 'victimise' Nailin' Palin because she fails UDDERLY at playing the victim.

Plus, it makes me feel so cheerful and fuzzy inside. O8)

[Bluenorthwest]

30. All your Moose are belong to us

Is one of my favorite art works of the campaign. It scared my sister! It amused my neighbors. You are great stuffs, just wanted to say that. Talent deluxe. Peace.

[Swamp Rat]

31. Thanks

If and when I move back to the USA I will hopefully start on some new pieces. :hi:

[Bluenorthwest]

34. Where are you living?

We are thinking of bailing out too.

[Swamp Rat]

35. South America

Brasil at the moment. I'm dumping my US dollars because their value is plummeting around the world, and working on obtaining other passports and citizenship. It helps if you speak a few other languages fluently.

Don't worry though, I will be just as involved in US politics as before, and maybe even more. I will organize expats for future elections to prevent the GOP/conservatives from ever regaining power. Count on it!!

[Bluenorthwest]

36. Wonderful!

I have options in the EU, but South America would be fantastic. I have some very close friends in Argentina.
Best of all to you and yours. The internet means where ever we go, here we are anyway!

[KittyWampus]

55. Swampy, your artwork has evolved so much over the years!

:)

[Bluenorthwest]

26. In September she was riding high

Now she's grasping at straws. Like many other Americans, the writing staff at Letterman does not know the details of her family, and both of those older daughters look alike. The main feature most Americans use to tell them apart is that one of them has a baby. Levi is not there. In a similar position, I would never let the younger one be seen holding a baby that is not hers, to avoid such confusions, for the sake of the younger daughter. I would also make sure that they dressed in different styles, the younger one in age appropriate attire. I would not wish to take the risk of confusing the public about which daughter is in fact a teenaged mother. I would not have the hubris to assume that the media, or even people on the street, know my family so well that they can tell them all apart, even when they dress alike and all of them are holding infants in public events where infants usually are not seen. The baby is a lousy choice of props for the young child Bistol, or Willow, whichever is not the mother of the child.
Seriously folks. They would have very different hair cuts, and the works. Because I'd not want even one creep passing by to assume my 14 year was my 18 year old. Not even for a moment.
There are many ways the Palins could have, but did not, preserve the privacy of both daughters. Making the older one into the world's most famous single teen Mom was their choice, brought all of this on, and they did not think for one second about the impact on the younger one.
This is all the fault of the Palins and their media lust. And their use of all of their kids and their kids boyfriends as props, which is short for properties, objects, chattel. They did this to their own children.

[dem629]

27. I think there's a difference between that and the Letterman joke. In any case.....

I guess the PC Police are happy. There's now talk of wanting to pressure CBS to remove Letterman. It's not likely, of course, but this is the kind of atmosphere created by the Speech Police.

I'd love to find out how many of the anti-Imus crusaders are now shocked at the movement against Letterman. Idiots. Are they exactly the same cases? No, but the pressure to silence is the underlying theme here.

Guess what? If you don't want to watch something on TV or listen to something on the radio, change the channel. These efforts to silence someone because they "offended" people are dangerous.

[Dreamer Tatum]

32. That joke has context; the Palin joke doesn't nt

[Chemisse]

43. The joke was crass, no matter which daughter, but

Palin is fanning the flames to make it a huge deal of it (saying he called for the statutory rape of her daughter, suggesting the girl would not be safe around him).

It is silly that people have jumped on this and added to the theatrics.

[Wednesdays]

33. K&R

:kick:

[dancingme]

66. Thank you!

[troubledamerican]

39. McCain joke about Chelsea Clinton: 6/1998

Notorious but forgotten amongst DUers, it seems:

http://crooksandliars.com/2008/02/09/john-mccains-crude-chelsea-clinton-joke/

Sarah Palin had no problem with McCain's standards.

[Chemisse]

42. That is really low.

[dysfunctional press]

45. jay's on their side, so it's okey-dokey.

[BuyingThyme]

40. Oh gosh.

[hfojvt]

44. Why do so many people think this is the same?

First, Leno specifically mentions which daughter he is talking about. Unlike Letterman who supposedly made a joke about the older daughter when it was a younger daughter who was on the NY trip. Since the girl is 17, it is not a joke involving statutory rape. She's already pregnant, so it is not a joke about her getting pregnant again. No, the joke is about the father, specifically about John Edwards being the father. It's no more of a joke about Palin's daughter than Franken's joke was about Gingrich's daughter.

(Franken told a joke mentioning how Gingrich said women could not serve in combat because they get infections, and then joked how Gingrich would be explaining to his daughter how she was getting her first 'infection'. And Gingrich, and a crowd of sycophants, got in Franken's face after the show as detailed in "Rush Limbaugh is a big, fat idiot")

[rainbow4321]

50. Someone needs to bring Bristol Palin's own myspace entries to light

Specifically where she writes that SP overheard a phone conversation between Bristol and her then-pre-Levi boyfriend Johnny...Bristol wrote in one entry: "My mother overheard me on the phone with you and asked if I was pregnant (June 2007 entry).
Bristol's final entry (again June 2007) "I'm such a slut".

Keep in mind this was all pre-Levi, pre-pregnancy....she calls herself, in a public forum, a slut.


http://www.zimbio.com/Bristol+Palin/articles/877/MySpace+Part+Three

A number of the comments already published here have been suspicious, but none have been conclusive. For example, we’ve seen that Bristol made a series of interesting comments to her friend Johnny in the spring of 2007, including one stating that Gov. Palin had confronted her about possibly being pregnant. Other comments made to her girlfriends also merit attention:


June 22, 2007 9:40 PM
Hey, call me NOW!!

June 25, 2007 1:33 AM
:( now im a mother duck for that baby!


(Note from Audrey: This curious comment is discussed in more detail at the very end of this post.)


June 25, 2007 1:50 AM
ha ha im a slut. but sounds good…what number?

[Gin]

53. Letterman gave her all this free publicity with that dumb joke....

for "that" he should apologize

[Brgotn]

54. People are forgetting

that it is unacceptable to be attacking children in this way...no matter what their parents political beliefs are.

These attacks reflect badly on us as a group.

[BlooInBloo]

56. They just think they smell blood. And credulous DUers are helping them.

[Blue_In_AK]

57. Finally a voice of sanity -- from Wasilla!

http://www.themudflats.net/2009/06/13/saturday-smorgasbord/

The Palin-Letterman absurdity feud continues its tortured rounds through the news media. And finally….a shining clear voice of reason. A measured, cogent, insightful assessment of the situation. From…. Levi Johnston?

Johnston, 19, tells “Extra” he believes Letterman was referring to 18-year-old daughter Bristol aka the mother of his son, Tripp.

Levi tells “Extra” Letterman “might” have crossed the line a “little bit.” Johnston adds, “I don’t think he meant to hurt anybody. He’s a comedian. That’s what he does… people are going to make jokes and they’re going to talk and say whatever they want.”

I'm liking Levi more and more. :)

[merh]

59. He is too smart for that family.

:thumbsup:

[Blue_In_AK]

64. I think you're right.

I wish only the best for Levi. He hasn't given me any reason to dislike him at all. He has a much more realistic outlook on the whole "abstinence" issue, he seems to genuinely want to be a part of his son's life, and he has refused to sink to Sarah's level in the back and forth. While she and her family have trash-talked him at every opportunity, he has consistently taken the high road when speaking of them. I like the kid a lot.

[judesedit]

61. A scheming racist complaining about a sexist

People in Alaska are starving or freezing to death, and Palin is out here fuming about a joke. Palin exploited her kids to the max during the campaign. They didn't even go to school. Alaska is in dire straights, and where is she? Everywhere but Alaska. Letterman didn't mention any names, except A-Rod's. Leno pretty much specified who he was talking about. Funny. You didn't hear a word about that. Palin is a vindictive bitch. She cannot and will not let it go. She will try to have Letterman railroaded if it takes her the rest of her life. Just like she did to her brother-in-law, the chief of police, and others, I am sure. I hope Letterman and Leno keep making jokes about Palin. The things she said about Obama during the campaign that were NOT true, and incited her audience to holler things like "kill him", put his children in literal DANGER. And....she could have cared less that her children were exposed to that hateful environment. Screw her.

[Raine]

62. Yeah but for the last 8 years Leno's favorite dumpee was Clinton

he kept Clinton & Monica jokes up even though Clinton was long out of office, so that makes Palin jokes OK. :eyes:

[pitchforksandtorches]

63. "If she is old enough to go to the store

she is old enough to get bread"
overheard in the men's room at the GOP convention.

[Baikonour]

73. Where was Palin's outrage at "pallin' around with terrorists"?

Oh, oh. That's right. She's the one who said that.

After all the bullshit she spewed during the campaign, I could care less what anyone says about this twit.