I don't understand why Neo-Nazis deny the Holocaust.

[Critters2]

I mean, is it because they really know how evil it is? That wouldn't make sense, because Hitler is their hero, and they share his hate of Jews, glbts, and other minorities.

I think trying to understand how these people think is making my brain hurt. I just don't understand it. Can someone explain it to me?

[LeftyMom]

1. Because they percieve themselves as victims.

They can't do that if they admit the people they identify with are perpetrators.

[Critters2]

2. Oh, yeah. That makes some sense. Thanks.

I think of them as wanting to look powerful. But if they think of themselves as victims....yeah, that would be logical.

Thanks!

[imdjh]

3. Because it failed perhaps?

After all, if their boy Hitler couldn't even accomplish a smallish genocide which was completely in his control, then how great a leader could he have been?

Alternative answer- Who knows why dumbasses do what they do?

[aquart]

20. Smallish? Six million was only the figure for the Jews, right?

[imdjh]

33. Smallish, as in a couple of countries. Smallness relative to hugeness.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

4. Do neo-Nazis deny the Holocaust?

Because I always think of deniers and neo-Nazis as two different groups, but there may be that overlap.

I think the Nazis (what is this "neo" stuff?) just love the idea of the Holocaust and honestly believe Hitler just didn't go far enough. I've heard that out of their filthy mouths.

The people who deny are just nuts, so quit trying to understand it. It's like calling your own phone and trying to hang up before you get a busy signal so you'll hear it ring.

Or trying to look at your eyes without a mirror.

There are just some things we can't do. Be as nuts as Holocaust deniers is, thankfully, one of them...............................

[Critters2]

8. Wasn't this Von Brunn guy both a (neo)Nazi and a denier?

I think that's what I've been hearing.

But you may be right...the best thing may be to stop trying to understand.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

13. No, I didn't hear that he was a denier .........

I'm sure he took great pleasure in the idea of the Holocaust.

But, yeah, they're dirty nuts, and best just watched. Always watched.

Did you see the photographs of the bullet holes in the door to the Museum? Right on the entrance, where it says "Holocaust Museum". That's where the security guard, in his last act on this earth, kindly held the door open for the old man, who repaid his kindness by shooting him in the chest and killing him.

I hope they leave the door just as it is. So that no one ever forgets.

It's now another monument......

[Critters2]

18. There was a note found in his car that says "the Holocaust is a lie".

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09162/976709-100.stm

[Tangerine LaBamba]

25. Well, well, well ...............

Nice sleuthing, friend.

:thumbsup:

Seems our murderer was a full-service, full-time hater.

Man, how does someone get so damn twisted? And he's eighty-seven years old? How come all that hate hadn't devoured him long ago?

Good catch. Thanks for that ..............

[WeDidIt]

32. von Brunn, the Neo-Nazi, was a holocaust denier

NEarly all in the neo-nazi movement deny the Holocaust.

[Lars39]

5. They can't allow those they view as beneath them to be viewed as human.

Invalidating the victims' humanity allows them to remain superior(in their minds).

[Critters2]

9. Man! That is some twisted logic! nt

[Lars39]

12. I know....just a way for them to beat their chest in victory...

on a horribly massive scale. :(

[Cleita]

6. They sort of deny any reality that they don't want to see, so it's not

a huge leap for them. There's lots of kool-aid passed out by the alpha males to their packs.

[Ian David]

7. Because they think it makes it look like The Jews are lying bad guys.

And that Hitler was misunderstood.

Short answer.

They've started to give-up on denyijng The Holocaust and instead follow Pat Buchannan's more subtle approach- the world would be better if Hitler had won.

Pat Buchanan: Hitler’s Willing Prevaricator
http://www.yourish.com/2008/06/20/4989



THE NEW REVISIONISM: WHAT IF HITLER WON THE WAR?
Mark Weber, David Irving, and the Institute for Historical Review take on Winston Churchill, Pat Buchanan, and American foreign policy
By Michael Shermer
Skeptic magazine – Nov. 2008 (Vol. 14, No. 3)

The only link to the complete article I could find is on a neo-nazi website, so I won't post it.

[Swamp Rat]

11. I have no words harsh enough for Pat Buchanan

[The_Casual_Observer]

10. Who knows why the stupid fucks do anything.

There's no rationality to begin with.

[LostInAnomie]

14. There are a lot of reasons for it.

1. They use it as a means to show the Jews own and manipulate the media. Any proof of the Holocaust is simply part of the "Jew lies".

2. They use it to delegitimize the state of Israel. No Holocaust, means that the persecution of the Jews wasn't real. Therefore, they don't deserve a country.

3. The first thing most people think of when they think of the word "Nazi" is "Holocaust". Take away the visceral disgust that the Holocaust causes and a lot of racists that are scared away by the word "Nazi" find their ideas appealing.

4. The murder of millions, even if they are considered sub-humans, is unappealing to even virulent racists. Even monsters don't like to think of themselves as bad people.

There are a ton of other reasons, but really all you need to know is that Neo-Nazis are scum and will do anything to further their racist agenda.

[Critters2]

19. All of these make great sense. Especially the "Neo-Nazis are scum" theory. nt

[47of74]

15. I would not waste time trying to understand why these scumbags deny it

[billyoc]

16. Because somewhere, someone might be hurt by it.

Same reason they do anything else.

[EFerrari]

17. Some of them deny it so they can reproduce it right here.

They think that by making that truth unreal, it will be easier. White nationalists. Alive and well in America. :puke:

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Becuase admiting it happened means that

the ideology has some serious problems

By the way this didn't start in the US... nor did it start recently.

The first Holocaust Denial book was published in 1951 iirc, I could go check on the date. It was first published in Franco's Spain and is titled Derrota Mundial, the author is a "professor of history: by the name of Salvador Borrego, and you can even get the damn thing on Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/Derrota-Mundial-Origenes-Desarrollo-Consecuencias/dp/8473780027/ref=sr_1_1/177-3069861-0642948?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1244786614&sr=1-1

That book, not that many people realize this, has the model for holocaust denial that has been used ever since.

Now before you ask, what is that piece of crap doing in my book collection? My dad got it in Mexico when it first came out, kind of a YOU GOT TO BE SHITTING ME moment. As a holocaust survivor he could not believe it. So on one of the trips I brought it home. To me it is a side hobby, how movements like this develop

Suffice it to say all the elements are there. They range from nope, nobody could have burned that many millions to my favorite, the defeat of the Nazis was a world wide disaster... oh and the Jews caused WW II...

And I am sure many in the US movement have been influenced by Borrego and his crappy history, and so have been the revisionists in the UK and the US... yep, them "scholars" Use the word loosely, use his model in every one of their screeds.

[Critters2]

22. 1951? Six years after it ended?

Wow. Just wow.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. Yeah I know, but Franco's Spain had a reason for this

They were allies of the Third Reich... so Don Francisco had to ahem start the denial. Nothing in Franco's Spain was published without this being approved

By the way, here is a piece of trivia most folks don't know, the largest print house of Neo Nazi books and antisemitic screeds in North America is in Guadalajara Mexico. Hell, you will have a hell of a time finding Ford's International Jew in the US... not so much south of the border. Another one of those wonderful books in my library Truly a know your enemy moment... and yes, they are enemies. Hell, if they could they'd kill me in a heart beat, since I am a Jew.

[Jkid]

23. Why do people deny the Holocaust?

"The real purpose...is to make National Socialism an acceptable political alternative again."

Source: http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/national-socialist-white-peoples-party/nswpp-on-revisionism.html

[frog92969]

26. Because they want to repeat it.

I just heard somebody say that on "Democracy Now" and it made perfect sense.

[TheKentuckian]

27. They see themselves as both superior and as victems. Their downtrodden state adds insult to injury

because they are oppressed by lesser creatures.

These guys are completely mindfucked and utterly delusional. They create a fantasy torture world to justify their evil behavior and beliefs.

[MicaelS]

28. Because if they accept the truth of the Holocaust

Then it destroys their mythical worldview of the Jews controlling the world. Their "thought processes" (and I use the term loosely) goes like this:

"The Jews are all-powerful, they own and control the world, and run everything from behind the scenes. Since they are so all powerful, they would never let themselves be slaughtered by the millions. So the Holocaust could have never occurred. The Holocaust is simply a lie made up by the Jews to get non-Jews to feel sorry for them so the Jews can keep their grasp on world power."

How's that?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

29. One thing you have to understand:

In their worldview, the written history of the world as we know it is completely false - a fabrication created by the Jews in order to elicit sympathy for the Jews. They see themselves as persecuted, victims of a vast conspiracy to deprive them of what they consider to be rightfully theirs. They are very, very scary people.

[armyowalgreens]

30. They don't deny that Hitler killed people...

They deny the fact that so many people died. I watched an hour long documentary by a holocaust denier explaining how it was "impossible" that so many millions of people died.

They basically think the story of the holocaust was made up by jews to garner sympathy. That way they can

RULE THE WORLD...OOG BOOGA!!!

:freak: :freak:

[western mass]

31. Maybe this Mitchell & Webb comedy skit...

might explain a thing or two.

"SS officers wonder if they're the bad guys"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEle_DLDg9Y

[Dogtown]

34. PR

They realize that humanity in general, although certainly prone to xenophobia, can't live w/ the knowledge of the actual atrocities committed. The 'people' just want to feel superior w/o any guilt attached.

The Nazi regime did suppress knowledge and discussion of their actions throughout the war. And the Good Germans tried very hard not to know.

[lunatica]

35. Because they think of themselves as victims

No matter what happens in their lives they are being victimized. The Jews are making up stories about them so that they are blamed and punished. The Mexicans are taking away their jobs so they can't live. The government is coddling minorities at their expense. Oh! And the government is secretly trying to take their guns away. The UN is trying to destroy their country. Women are trying to take away their God Given Power as Men.

It's endless and a source of instant rage availability.

[marshall]

36. For the same reason many Muslim extremist do so

They see the Jews as some vast all controlling cabal that is using the Holocaust story as a way to increase influence.

[annabanana]

37. Because they are Nazis.. and they think they are good people.. and good

people would never do something like that.. Therefore it didn't happen.