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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 01:42 PM Original message |
anti-choice is woman-hating, pure and simple |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. or is it hatred for women who want a choice to make their own |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
2. women are expendable, you know |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
514. That is exactly the view of the reight |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
3. well, women are just baby factories. that's what they are here for. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
4. Its woman hating, and "slut shaming" |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
5. Many women hate themselves then. |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Women have traditionally been complicit in their own slavery. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
33. Yes! With the aid of most religions. nt |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. Suffer enough and go to heaven |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #33 |
589. And all you anti-religious people do is whine and bleat about religions. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Of course they do. Many grow up in a culture that encourages them to. |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #5 |
418. In any oppressed group, certain members will toe the line and side with their oppressors. |
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juno jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
6. The families they really want: |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
7. No it isn't. |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
40. Take a look at the women in anti-choice churches |
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SoxFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #40 |
380. Like Sister Helen Prejean? |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #380 |
429. Yeah, like Helen Prejean. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
46. Of course it is and the consequences to women can't begin to be described |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
163. Thank you. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 07:45 AM Response to Reply #7 |
284. Perhaps it arises from more than one root cause... |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 08:08 AM Response to Reply #7 |
286. Nonsense. It absolutely is. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 08:20 AM Response to Reply #286 |
287. Uhh... |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 08:32 AM Response to Reply #287 |
291. It's the woman's BODY. She is the one who should have the ultimate say - no matter what |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 09:10 AM Response to Reply #291 |
292. You can't prove something simply by asserting it. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #292 |
293. Wow, finding myself in complete agreement with you... |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 09:42 AM Response to Reply #293 |
299. Thanks! |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 10:01 AM Response to Reply #292 |
307. Sister Helen Prejean, the "Angel of Death Row." is fiercely anti-abortion out of pacifist conviction |
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AllieB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #307 |
318. The majority of these anti-choice zealots are pro-death penalty and pro-war |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #307 |
336. She is exactly the kind of person I was thinking about |
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TLM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #336 |
447. ANY anti-choice view is anti-woman and inherently violent. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #447 |
461. How nuanced and thoughtful |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:46 PM Response to Reply #461 |
534. In third term abortions, would you deny women the right to self-defense? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:45 PM Response to Reply #447 |
533. In the case of late term abortions, the are denying females the right to self-defense . . . |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #307 |
368. They've devoted their lives to the Catholic hierarchy -- what else would they say? |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #368 |
432. Sister Helen Prejean is hardly an obedient automaton. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #432 |
464. Certainly not. I didn't say that. |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #307 |
438. Well, good for her. She has elected to repress her sexuality; be "married" |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #438 |
469. You said it way better than I did. |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #469 |
483. When someone tells me some nun is against abortion, I laugh. Well, duh. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:42 PM Response to Reply #307 |
531. So these people were against a woman's right to self-defense....??? |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:23 PM Response to Reply #292 |
358. I have to agree with you HR |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #292 |
467. Because they place the status of a fetus over that of a woman |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:40 PM Response to Reply #292 |
530. Too often, organized patriarchal religious "values" influence public opinion . . |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #291 |
355. No matter what |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
392. of course there is proof |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:49 PM Response to Reply #392 |
535. Our past history of Catholic hospitals shows females lives sacrificed to a fetus . . . |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
423. It places the status of a fetus above that of a woman |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
425. It doesn't matter whether individuals in that movement feel hatred towards women, |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #425 |
436. "THE movement itself is hateful to women" (???) |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #436 |
442. They are all working toward the same end. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:51 PM Response to Reply #436 |
537. In it's basic valuing of a fetus over an existing human life it is woman hating . . .. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-14-09 12:12 AM Response to Reply #7 |
617. Strongly agree. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
8. I don't believe things are that simple. |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
9. though.... |
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11 Bravo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
10. I've generally seen it as more of a need to control rather than an expression of hatred. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #10 |
24. Seeking to intimately control another person is a negation of their humanity, no? |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:35 PM Response to Reply #10 |
204. " slapping the little woman around" is misogyny. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:03 AM Response to Reply #204 |
224. It's a denial of personhood. And very similar to what we recoil from |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #224 |
444. Absolutely. n/t |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:46 PM Original message |
Indeed, blatant misogyny. Those who think otherwise are kidding themselves. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
11. That's how I see it, too. Well said. nt |
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reflection (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
12. Ridiculous. n/t |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
56. Was Dr. Tiller's murder just a silly misunderstanding |
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reflection (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #56 |
73. Dr. Tiller's murder was reprehensible. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 12:11 AM Response to Reply #56 |
538. I don't see TV news except in passing . . . but I have the sense that |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
89. Whadda shock.... |
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reflection (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #89 |
97. And I suppose the converse is true for you. |
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TLM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #89 |
390. Can the sexist bullshit... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 12:14 AM Response to Reply #390 |
539. How many men want to give up the right to self-defense . . . ??? |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
168. What a cogent argument! I'm convinced. |
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reflection (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 06:29 AM Response to Reply #168 |
282. Garbage in, garbage out. |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
15. They think a fetus has more inherent value than a woman |
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backtoblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 09:50 AM Response to Reply #15 |
300. In agreement... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #300 |
540. Also, it's life and death for Vatican if they lose the abortion issue, birth control also goes --!! |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
362. This is very wrongheaded |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #362 |
463. It doesn't matter when a fetus becomes human. |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #463 |
501. One's body is sovereign |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #501 |
507. I'm going to put this bluntly. |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #507 |
513. Thank you for being blunt |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #513 |
522. LOL @ aborting 18-year-old son |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 05:56 AM Response to Reply #522 |
568. Glad we can have some common ground |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 12:22 AM Response to Reply #507 |
544. Exactly . . . let me know when males are willing to give up right to self-defense?? |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #15 |
451. Well said. n/t |
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thesquanderer (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
16. another disagreement |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Still putting the worth of the fetus to more than the woman. |
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TCJ70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. That's how you see it. |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. They are fools |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. So you think a fetus has more rights than a woman. |
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TCJ70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
45. Why do you project that view on me? |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #45 |
128. No, the cells>>>fetus is dependent on the host/woman's willingness |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #23 |
92. A fetus is NOT a person. N/t |
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BlueMTexpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 04:40 AM Response to Reply #23 |
280. "Pro-choice" does not necessarily mean anti-anything. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #280 |
378. Clear, excellent post. Thank you. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
375. IT'S NOT "A FETUS VS. A WOMAN" OR "A PERSON VS. A PERSON" --- what kind of ignorance is THAT?!!!!! |
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TCJ70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 01:22 AM Response to Reply #375 |
553. Wow...caps for the win, right? |
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thesquanderer (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. worth |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. If they are so anti-abortion |
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thesquanderer (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #31 |
88. changing the argument |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 08:51 PM Response to Reply #88 |
142. All the same argument |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #25 |
37. It is their choice to have the child or not....trying to deny other women |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:35 PM Response to Reply #37 |
364. So when does the child have a voice in the matter? |
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TLM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #364 |
384. A fetus is not a child and a fetus has no right to life.... |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #384 |
394. That's pretty extreme |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #384 |
602. And that is pretty much the argument made in second- and third-trimester |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #25 |
63. and from where do you get the idea that most abortions are a matter of convenience? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. "Convenience" as in "luxury". Only a profoundly misogynistic culture |
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smokey nj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #65 |
136. Gloria Steinem |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:16 AM Response to Reply #136 |
239. Thank you. n/t |
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bumblebee1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:06 AM Response to Reply #65 |
270. If men could get pregnant, |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-14-09 12:33 AM Response to Reply #270 |
619. But they cannot, and so the argument is moot. They are, however, |
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thesquanderer (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #63 |
108. I never said "most" are for convenience |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #108 |
123. you said relatively few were to save the life of the mother, and then you immediately talked |
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thesquanderer (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 08:06 AM Response to Reply #123 |
285. side-stepping? |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #63 |
170. and so what if they are? |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #170 |
370. My life and my body are my own. |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #25 |
69. It's human life |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:33 PM Response to Reply #25 |
93. I frankly do not care WHY any female has an abortion... |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
165. I agree with you. The generalization is ridiculous. |
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Stellabella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:06 PM Response to Reply #25 |
180. And those 'people who think a fetus is a person' can mind their own business. |
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thesquanderer (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 08:31 AM Response to Reply #180 |
290. extremes |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. No, they truly don't. |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
54. if you seriously believe that none of the reichwing anti-choice hate groups is advocating |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. Am I behind the times? |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. most definitely behind the times. google "death penalty for women having abortions" |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:39 PM Response to Reply #21 |
207. You have to understand, the women are considered too stupid |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:15 PM Response to Reply #207 |
339. Err... |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #339 |
509. Ask them a perfectly reasonable thing and they'll say... |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 10:23 PM Response to Reply #339 |
525. It's not impossible that they are self-loathing busy bodies |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #21 |
338. Incidentally, some Catholics, Quakers, UUs, etc. believe that |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #338 |
492. They're fucking nuts, too. |
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TLM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
428. Exactly.... well said. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 09:42 AM Response to Reply #16 |
298. I think there's a great difference |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #16 |
545. And you probably recognize that our Constituion/Bill of Rights are |
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Union Yes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
18. Banning choice is the first stepping stone towards the ultimate goal |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. exactly, and thank you for your support |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. Absolutely correct! |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
48. If you think that the goal of all, or even most anti-choice people you are simply wrong. |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. The middle-of-the-road anti-choice people are the worst of the bunch. |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. +1 |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. I see loads of Puke-worthy demonization in this post. |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #62 |
90. Flat ginger-ale might help with that nausea. n/t |
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TLM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #55 |
400. As i said in another thread... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 12:31 AM Response to Reply #400 |
546. Terrific analogy -- !!! |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #48 |
75. you know a quite different group than I do, then. see "days of the theocracy" |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #75 |
141. What if the Right wanted their penis? |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #141 |
480. I just found this post. Yeah. Mandatory circumcision because it's in the Bible! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 12:33 AM Response to Reply #141 |
547. When will males be willing to give up the right to self-defense? |
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kiranon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #18 |
138. Thank you and I agree. n/t |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
20. No it isn't, and making this argument demeans the pro-choice side |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #20 |
35. There is nothing decent about denying a person control over their own body. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #35 |
82. A bit of hyperbole there |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #82 |
101. No, it's not hyperbole in the least. When was the last time you were pregnant? |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:52 PM Response to Reply #101 |
107. So pregnancy = slavery. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #107 |
113. I compared forced pregnancy to bondage, which it certainly is. n/t |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #113 |
133. So losing control over one aspect of your body |
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Stellabella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:08 PM Response to Reply #133 |
183. You think that a pregnancy is 'one aspect of your body'?? |
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thesquanderer (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 08:22 AM Response to Reply #183 |
288. adoption? |
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juno jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 02:58 AM Response to Reply #288 |
564. Let me clue you into the nasties |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 09:54 AM Response to Reply #183 |
303. Deleted message |
Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #303 |
351. 'hysterical' ??? here we go. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #351 |
448. No, I never said that |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #448 |
493. Actually, I didn't have your comment deleted. Someone else besides me must have found it offensive. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:50 PM Response to Reply #133 |
215. The hyperbole is yours, not mine. n/t |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #215 |
449. Really? Interesting |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #449 |
499. Why don't you quote me? Your paraphrase itself is hyperbole. n/t |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 01:47 AM Response to Reply #133 |
557. If a woman cannot reliably control her reproduction, she cannot control her life . . .!!! |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-14-09 12:28 AM Response to Reply #35 |
618. But the law of the land sanctions Tiller's clinic and sanctions a woman's |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #20 |
36. See my post above. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #36 |
77. When PETA says meat is murder |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #77 |
86. But they DO murder for their cause. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #86 |
96. "They" in this case is an extreme minority |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #96 |
103. That "extreme minority" has a wealthy, powerful lobby |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. They being the actual murderers |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 05:00 PM Response to Reply #105 |
112. Without the right wing noise machine and the anti-woman lobby |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 07:13 PM Response to Reply #112 |
132. So what propaganda/lobby |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:11 AM Response to Reply #132 |
235. Yes, they are responsible and we are social animals. Amy Goodman |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 09:57 AM Response to Reply #235 |
304. Sad, |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #304 |
496. The "sad" "some folks" you are talking about is an expert on hate groups |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 01:51 AM Response to Reply #96 |
558. They are influenced by religious fanatacism . . . . |
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TLM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #77 |
439. Animals and the planet are not people.... |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
38. Lay off the blinders |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #38 |
50. Most anti-choice people I know have no problem with birth control. |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 03:46 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Do a google search |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 03:57 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. No, my friend thinks the anti-birth control people are the wackos they are |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. If your friend supports the "movement" to ban abortion |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. That's like saying I give support to communists because I am for government economic regulation. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Wrong. Like birth control, abortion is a health care measure. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. But to the anti-choice people it's not "just" a health care measure because... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #72 |
81. Since when would anyone base their health care decisions |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #72 |
151. So, they should make health care decisions for all? |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #67 |
386. WHOAH there parnta! |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #386 |
405. Not one or the other. Be for women's rights, reproductive health and privacy and make the choices |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #405 |
412. I buy that to a point |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #412 |
460. yes they do. not sure what you mean. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #67 |
408. Sex ed is controversial b/c it decreases ignorance about the reproductive process |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #38 |
74. Oh I see |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #74 |
94. Can you tell us where you got those numbers? |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #94 |
98. Last poll I saw on the subject had the US pegged at a slight |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 05:05 PM Response to Reply #98 |
116. It doesn't sound accurate. A link would be helpful in making your case. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #116 |
330. Oh, it's accurate alright. Here's your link: |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #98 |
118. and the last poll I saw said that nearly 75 per cent believed in a woman's right to choose. |
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AllieB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 09:41 AM Response to Reply #118 |
297. Probably a Fox News poll. |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #297 |
350. Absolutely |
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AllieB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #350 |
366. This thread is like troll flypaper. |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #366 |
367. LOL!!! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 01:55 AM Response to Reply #366 |
559. And notice how many of the Trolls are saying "I support abortion" ....but .. . |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #118 |
391. Last poll I saw |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #98 |
125. I can. If you're thinking of this poll, their middle names would be republican. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 02:02 AM Response to Reply #125 |
560. Agree . . .. |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #98 |
601. There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:04 PM Response to Reply #74 |
143. No, I know how to Google |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #74 |
510. You can have ethical qualms about abortion and still be pro-choice. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #20 |
44. Decent people mind their own business. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #44 |
71. You object to shooting abortion doctors? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. Please tell me you aren't equating women's health care |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. You made a poor argument |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #83 |
91. Maybe you just didn't understand the poster's argument |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. Inability to even try to understand the opposition |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. The problem here isn't that the poster or I don't understand the opposition. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Carefully reread |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #102 |
106. Observing hatred is not the same as hating, get it? |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #106 |
110. Like I said, reread my initial comment |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #110 |
115. I'm not responsible for your projections, either. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 07:15 PM Response to Reply #115 |
134. Safe to say then that you're going to prefer to stay outraged |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:20 PM Response to Reply #134 |
160. EDUCATE?? Are you serious? |
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Stellabella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:12 PM Response to Reply #160 |
186. Well, his response certainly was typical of a misogynist. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 10:08 AM Response to Reply #186 |
310. whoa, too much irony to handle |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 12:41 AM Response to Reply #186 |
548. And this is why women are still |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:52 PM Response to Reply #160 |
217. It's just more of the same attempt at control. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 09:59 AM Response to Reply #160 |
305. I am more educated on the subject at hand than the person I was responding to |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:50 PM Response to Reply #134 |
216. LOL. Rinse and repeat. n/t |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 09:59 AM Response to Reply #216 |
306. LOL, blinders and rage n/t |
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Tumbulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:46 AM Response to Reply #134 |
254. Why don't you read Roe v Wade- all your points are answered in that |
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kleec (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #110 |
643. I say |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #95 |
126. The point of your argument seems to focus on late term abortion. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #126 |
135. My point was not about late term abortion |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #135 |
140. You're right. |
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colinmom71 (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:58 AM Response to Reply #140 |
279. Ummm, NO! Try 23-24 WEEKS as the standard for fetal viability... |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 10:20 AM Response to Reply #279 |
312. Thanks for the info colinmom. |
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colinmom71 (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 11:46 PM Response to Reply #312 |
613. Oh, sorry. No, I didn't mean to imply you were anti-choice... |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 10:05 AM Response to Reply #140 |
308. My "lack of empathy" |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #308 |
313. Now we're still talking about late term abortion. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #313 |
324. But that was my point |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #324 |
420. Of course everyone has their own moral code. That's a given. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #420 |
457. "I don't agree with the OP that all forced-birthers are about the hate" |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #457 |
471. No I didn't say that it's okay for the law to limit late term abortions. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #471 |
481. You said: |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #481 |
488. Yes, I do accept the law. It's a compromise. |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #135 |
157. Frankly, it should be her right |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #157 |
309. Would that include |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 12:20 AM Response to Reply #309 |
543. Absolutely. |
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Tumbulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:48 AM Response to Reply #135 |
256. read Row v Wade |
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colinmom71 (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:05 AM Response to Reply #95 |
277. I'm going to mention the personal account of someone I met online... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 02:07 AM Response to Reply #95 |
561. And why would someone be so willing to accept such a hypothetical |
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Stellabella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:11 PM Response to Reply #83 |
184. No, YOU made the error. You made the comparison. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 10:10 AM Response to Reply #184 |
311. Hmm, strident, irrational, outraged, obviously never read my post |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #76 |
84. Who knows his calculations. |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #44 |
137. So if one is not in the military, they should STFU about the Iraq War? |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
79. Decent people recognize that my reproductive tract isn't their business. nt |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #20 |
99. Any group who wishes to force a birth on a woman DESERVES to be demonized. |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
109. I have been dealing with these sickos for decades now, been the recipient of death |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. 51% of the public claims to be in agreement with them |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #111 |
117. So, niyad hasn't gotten ENOUGH death threats for you? |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #117 |
130. To pass judgement on tens of millions? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #130 |
139. I'm not stereotyping. You are minimizing the vast network |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #139 |
332. Ok, prove it |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 12:16 AM Response to Reply #332 |
541. I already provided you with a link to an intelligent discussion |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #111 |
119. your comment is not to be believed. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. I'd love to see how these contrarians would change their tune |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #119 |
131. That's your argument? |
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AllieB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 09:53 AM Response to Reply #111 |
302. Link? |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #20 |
155. Let's not tell the rest of us how to feel |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #155 |
333. So on a post |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:48 PM Response to Reply #20 |
171. let's lay off the the judging of "the other side" when you will never be pregnant. Deal? |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #171 |
334. I assume then that women could be fairly told to STFU on any issue |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 02:10 AM Response to Reply #334 |
562. Every expectation that if a draft were renewed, women would be required to register . .. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-14-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #562 |
631. So women are free to argue for/against |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
382. The OP is heated and also spot on. Women are largely left out of the equation of abortion discussion |
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TLM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #20 |
416. There is no decency in removing women's rights... none. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #20 |
446. My god, you start off concern trolling and get worse from there. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 12:56 AM Response to Reply #20 |
550. This is nonsense . . . premised on equating a fetus with an existing life . .. |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #20 |
592. Main difference is when each group defines an embryo as a baby |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
22. Yes, you are exactly right. At bottom, it is rationalized gynephobia. n/t |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
26. ITA. |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
28. Society and our parents program us as children and little girls |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
32. The world hates women who aren't doormats for the men in their lives... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
34. There's nothing "pure" or "simple" about it |
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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
41. Disregard, or disrespect is not the same as hatred. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. No one expends the kind of effort that these people do out of disregard. n/t |
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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 09:35 AM Response to Reply #43 |
295. I think that some are PL due to a disregard for women, not hatred. |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #41 |
511. Very well stated. I never looked at it that way before. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 01:04 AM Response to Reply #41 |
551. They are symptoms based in hatred of women . . . |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
42. Anti-choice ANYTHING is anti-Working Class |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
47. No, it's not that "pure and simple", The OP is black-and-white nonsense |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. That's rationalizing, fantastical *nonsense*. . |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. You aren't making any sense. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Nope. Denying women control over their anatomy because of |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. Great, lets create a Ministry of Philosophical Truth to "re-educate" people who have... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Basic health care is not in the realm of belief. n/t |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #70 |
78. And other people disagree with your assumptions. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. But they can't do it rationally. n/t |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. Basic worldviews cannot be rationally justified. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. You are confusing science and philosophy. Again, my health is not an opinion |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #85 |
129. That's not true. |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #78 |
120. based on what? |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #78 |
144. This is a secular country |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. If he voted for Obama he isn't "anti-choice" |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:13 PM Response to Reply #47 |
187. Trying to make a nuanced point about characterization of an opposing view? |
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Mushroom (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
104. Hate women? No way! |
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KakistocracyHater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
114. sick of it called "choice", it's birth control: pills, diaphragm, etc. |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
122. I have nothing to add to your post. k+r, n/t |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
124. Hypothetical exercise |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #124 |
127. If you do, it must not be your cause. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
145. utter rubbish |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:20 PM Response to Reply #145 |
146. What's utter rubbish is having to defend a woman's right to choose on a progressive board. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:25 PM Response to Reply #146 |
147. you don't have to defend it. who is against it here? |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:29 PM Response to Reply #147 |
148. You are not comprehending the OP. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:33 PM Response to Reply #148 |
149. except that's not what the OP said |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:52 PM Response to Reply #149 |
158. Re-read the first sentence of the OP. |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:56 PM Response to Reply #149 |
175. I don't think you've made a comparable list... |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:38 PM Response to Reply #175 |
365. the list is exacfly relevant |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:05 PM Original message |
Everything on your list... |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
399. that's actually an excellent |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #399 |
479. Whew. I wasn't sure it made sense. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #479 |
485. i am kewl with that |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #485 |
508. Cheers. Have a good weekend. |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:34 PM Response to Reply #147 |
150. Quick question. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:42 PM Response to Reply #150 |
154. i am referring to |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #147 |
340. Thank you! |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #146 |
153. Very old! |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:49 PM Response to Reply #153 |
156. really? |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:40 PM Response to Reply #145 |
167. So would you feel the same |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #167 |
369. first of all, it's not |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 01:17 AM Response to Reply #369 |
552. Is the right to self-defense no longer a human right . . . ??? Women don't have that right--?? |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 02:43 AM Response to Reply #552 |
563. that's a nice screed |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #563 |
584. "Abortion on demand" . . . the Randall Terry version . . . |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #584 |
593. again, nice screed |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #593 |
598. Thank you . . . but again, you offer no meaningful debate, except unwitting evidence contrary |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #598 |
600. you can't seperate the personal from political |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 06:30 PM Response to Reply #600 |
604. As I've made clear you're quoting Randall Terry . . . |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #604 |
605. and you are |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 10:54 PM Response to Reply #605 |
608. Ah . . . at long last -- !!! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #552 |
583. misplaced |
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mwooldri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
152. I much prefer the term anti women's rights. |
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Just Saying (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:35 AM Response to Reply #152 |
266. +1 |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
159. Stem cell controversy throws the monkey wrench |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
161. Your statements are simplistic. And incorrect. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #161 |
162. I don't believe you're a liberal if you don't believe a woman should be able |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:44 PM Response to Reply #162 |
169. It doesn't matter to me what you believe I am. I define myself as a liberal. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:50 PM Response to Reply #169 |
172. You can define yourself as liberal, but being a self-admitted forced birther |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #172 |
173. That's right. YOU are the final arbiter of the definition of what a liberal is supposed to be. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:58 PM Response to Reply #173 |
177. You might want to look up the definition someday. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:05 PM Response to Reply #177 |
179. I know the definition. I am wondering if you do. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:07 PM Response to Reply #179 |
181. Forcing women to give birth to children they don't want isn't covered. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:25 PM Response to Reply #181 |
193. Yeah, I think it is covered, in fact. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:35 PM Response to Reply #193 |
203. Not the mother's life. Tough shit if she dies in childbirth with a baby she didn't want. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:39 PM Response to Reply #203 |
206. You are confusing quality of life with life, itself. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:42 PM Response to Reply #206 |
212. That's insane. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #212 |
221. No, I am not. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:06 AM Response to Reply #221 |
228. *Every* single pregnancy holds the risk of death. Every single one. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:13 AM Response to Reply #228 |
236. Yes, and there's a risk some stranger on the street will pull out a gun and shoot me. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #236 |
237. Lame analogy. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:17 AM Response to Reply #237 |
240. Whatever. You sure didn't counter it, though, did you? |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:26 AM Response to Reply #240 |
246. Not relevent to the discussion. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:08 AM Response to Reply #221 |
229. Yes, it is irrational -- to believe that you have any right whatsoever |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #229 |
238. If it is irrational for me to believe that I have the right to prescribe for another |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:19 AM Response to Reply #238 |
242. Because it is not your body. That's the boundary. And it's not up for negotiation. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:22 AM Response to Reply #242 |
243. And that child's body is not hers, either, once life has commenced. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #243 |
248. But life "has commenced" before conception. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #248 |
322. I do not believe that life has commenced BEFORE conception, |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #322 |
402. That there is life before conception is also not a matter of belief. |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 06:02 AM Response to Reply #243 |
569. While I agree with you that life begins at conception |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #238 |
356. If it is in her, it is not independent |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #169 |
174. Deleted message |
Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:57 PM Response to Reply #174 |
176. Absolutely amazing, isn't it? |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:12 PM Response to Reply #176 |
185. Some sick, arrogant, misogynistic people who call themselves liberal. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:02 PM Response to Reply #174 |
178. Hey darlin'. Personal attacks are not allowed on this forum. |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:07 PM Response to Reply #178 |
182. Hey darlin back, I don't need your lectures |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #182 |
189. I'm not a "SIR," I'm a woman. But you can call me "Sir" if you like. |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:20 PM Response to Reply #189 |
190. Whatever, neither is not supporting progressive causes. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:23 PM Response to Reply #190 |
191. Once again, you are not the final arbiter of who is and who is not liberal. |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:26 PM Response to Reply #191 |
196. Hey now this is interesting! |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:34 PM Response to Reply #196 |
202. I don't know. |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:42 PM Response to Reply #202 |
210. How so? If you are so adamant that abortion is murder you must have... |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #210 |
325. This must be the post you talked about my not answering, after I went to bed. |
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Just Saying (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:42 AM Response to Reply #202 |
268. Murder is a legal term. |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:29 PM Response to Reply #191 |
198. And neither are you. But I can state my opinion, and you are NOT a liberal. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:32 PM Response to Reply #191 |
201. I'm going to go out on a limb here, but are you African American? nt |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #201 |
205. Me? What difference does it make? |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:41 PM Response to Reply #205 |
208. Nope. There's a substrata of Dems who are AA, socially conservative. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:54 PM Response to Reply #208 |
218. I'm a Caucasian woman from Texas. Divorced, agnostic single mother. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:08 AM Response to Reply #218 |
231. Prioritizing medical privacy vs. choice vs. your moral positioning that's not based on solid ground |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:11 AM Response to Reply #231 |
234. You call it choice. I call it murder. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:25 AM Response to Reply #234 |
244. Is birth control also murder? What about your period? |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #244 |
328. No, birth control is not murder. Nor are any of the other things |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #328 |
441. Really? So should identical twins be legally defined as the same person? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #328 |
497. Well, no. If that were the case then petri dishes could be parents. n/t |
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create.peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:13 AM Response to Reply #191 |
273. you talk to murderers every day on here then, what does that make you feel? |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #273 |
342. You are saying that you are a murderer, then. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #342 |
459. And I feel that people who want to force unwanted children into the world |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:19 AM Response to Reply #190 |
241. Damn! If I'm not a liberal, I've sure wasted a lot of money on Democratic candidates. |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #189 |
197. Call yourself what you like - you're no progressive |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:25 PM Response to Reply #182 |
194. Yes, you do apparently need those lectures. |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:32 PM Response to Reply #194 |
200. Did I write the OP? No, and you ought to reread the threads and posts by the poster in question. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:08 AM Response to Reply #200 |
230. I don't like that view, but I don't have to like it. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:40 AM Response to Reply #230 |
253. The problem with your argument is that there aren't hordes of women |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:49 AM Response to Reply #253 |
259. The problem with my argument? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:52 AM Response to Reply #259 |
260. Yes, your argument. I was actually being conciliatory, lol, not aggressive: |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:01 AM Response to Reply #260 |
262. That quote hasn't got a thing to do with numbers of women seeking... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:07 AM Response to Reply #262 |
263. It has everything to do with the framing of the issue |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:23 AM Response to Reply #263 |
265. So I should never say anything that even brings up tangentially... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:37 AM Response to Reply #265 |
267. Well, no. And if you read my post, I said that the idea that there was |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:58 AM Response to Reply #267 |
269. A lot of people have strong opinions on things that only effect a small... |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:11 AM Response to Reply #269 |
271. The problems with unrestricted late term abortion are... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:11 AM Response to Reply #269 |
272. "Unrestricted late term abortions" is right wing framing |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:24 AM Response to Reply #272 |
275. The point was to get at the "forced birthing" phrase. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #275 |
498. Nope. Another big FAIL for you. I do not advocate that women be forced |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #498 |
520. Who the hell are you talking to? |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #498 |
609. So you're telling me that your views of abortion... |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #169 |
359. So you are admitting to being a right-winger |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:23 PM Response to Reply #161 |
192. So you revere life? |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:29 PM Response to Reply #192 |
199. Don't expect answers; expect bullshit and homilies |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:42 PM Response to Reply #192 |
211. I do what I can do for every person I come across in my life. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:54 PM Response to Reply #211 |
219. Nope, you need to be advocating for improved foster care and adoption |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #219 |
222. +1 for this post. Very well said. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:04 AM Response to Reply #219 |
226. You've got to be kidding, right? |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:25 AM Response to Reply #226 |
245. If you aren't taking on 18 years of tears, fears and raising other people's children |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #245 |
249. May I just say.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:48 AM Response to Reply #245 |
257. And when these people are done adopting all the orphans in the world |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:28 AM Response to Reply #226 |
250. Being against euthanasia is pro-life? |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #250 |
319. Prolonging life is the way that you put it. |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:16 AM Response to Reply #226 |
278. There IS only one way to support forced birthing. |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #226 |
411. You have more in common with Carrie Prejean than Str Helen Prejean |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 09:43 PM Response to Reply #411 |
523. How silly. |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:15 PM Response to Reply #523 |
528. No, the laws favor my position so looks like you're losing |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #528 |
532. Once again, you are engaging in personal attacks, REP. |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:05 AM Response to Reply #211 |
227. I need a kidney. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #227 |
247. Believe me, you don't want my kidneys. |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:31 AM Response to Reply #247 |
251. Your disbelief devastates me |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #251 |
321. I'm bitter and angry? YOU are calling me a "pro-liar" and I'M the bitter and angry one? |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #321 |
337. And not that ANYONE'S abortion is ANY OF YOURS. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #337 |
341. That's your viewpoint. And you're welcome to it. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #341 |
415. You're a very sick puppy, Th1onein. I do feel for you |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #415 |
474. Deleted message |
Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 09:34 PM Response to Reply #474 |
521. You notice, REP, downthread, how your posts are being deleted? |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #415 |
524. I could say the same thing about you, Karenina. |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #321 |
406. How hypocritical |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:58 AM Response to Reply #211 |
276. Well, that is just not good enough. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 10:56 AM Response to Reply #276 |
323. I've decided that unwanted children don't deserve a fair shake at life.... |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:26 AM Response to Reply #323 |
329. Well at least you admit it. -eom |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #329 |
331. Good grief. This is getting ridiculous. |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:25 PM Response to Reply #161 |
195. It's great to the have the government make medical decisions for your family, isn't it? |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:48 PM Response to Reply #195 |
214. If we have to have laws, then we should outlaw murder. |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:01 AM Response to Reply #214 |
223. Wow. Talk about failed logic |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:08 AM Response to Reply #223 |
233. Could you please stick with the issue, and not engage in personal attacks? |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:33 AM Response to Reply #233 |
252. That simple |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #252 |
326. You want abortion on demand? Go live in another country. |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #326 |
468. Go live in Romania |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #326 |
500. Abortion will never again be illegal in the United States |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:16 AM Response to Reply #233 |
264. There is no 100% birth control and you should know that at your age. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:11 AM Response to Reply #264 |
327. Deleted message |
REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #264 |
472. She has more compassion for convicted murderers than for women who've had abortions |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:03 AM Response to Reply #214 |
225. I expect you have a horde of adopted babies to back up your position |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:08 AM Response to Reply #225 |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:48 AM Response to Reply #232 |
255. Ok, no way. I have to kick this just for this post. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:55 AM Response to Reply #255 |
261. Deleted message |
create.peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:24 AM Response to Reply #261 |
274. OMG nt |
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AllieB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #261 |
335. Wow. What a piece of work. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #335 |
345. I shouldn't have to even answer this drivel. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #232 |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:55 PM Response to Reply #161 |
220. It's not really possible to "revere life" and to be against basic health care for women. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #161 |
383. Then don't have one. Stay out of other peoples' business. Support women's rights. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 01:26 AM Response to Reply #161 |
554. There is such a condition as low self-esteem of women who have grown up |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
164. Karma will get these misogynists.... |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
166. They are Forcing women to bear Flawed/Challenged babies by outlawing abortions |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
188. You'll like this then (George Carlin) |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:42 PM Response to Reply #188 |
209. LOL! "Why are people who are against abortion people you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place?" |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
213. K&R for the truth. |
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jmondine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:49 AM Response to Original message |
258. Underlying it all is a desire to punish women who choose to live less repressed lives than them |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #258 |
397. or for having the right to choose. Resentment for not having or using that right. Good points. |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 04:57 AM Response to Original message |
281. Young women are sometimes forced into abortions |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 01:37 AM Response to Reply #281 |
555. HRC seems to have adopted some odd, less than "pro-choice" -- DLC views . .. |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 06:40 AM Response to Original message |
283. Wow |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 08:29 AM Response to Reply #283 |
289. At the heart of your argument is the assumption that women do not have the right |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 09:53 AM Response to Reply #289 |
301. Why this desperate urge to say "period."? |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #301 |
315. One of the best replies to the issue of abortion I have ever read |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 01:45 AM Response to Reply #315 |
556. Exactly...because late term abortion is dangerous for the female . .. |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 07:42 PM Response to Reply #556 |
607. Wow talk about bunching a shit load of issues and anger |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #301 |
346. The right wing wants NO abortion. Period. Get it? They have whittled away |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #346 |
347. So, since "the right wing wants no abortions at all"... |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #347 |
348. Democrats "Nuanced" this country into hell |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #348 |
353. This is about intellectual honesty, not manners, not strategy. |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #353 |
363. Oh so angry! All because of us uppity women! |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #363 |
376. You see no difference between supporting and understanding? |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #376 |
385. There is a difference |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #385 |
424. You can inform someone of the aims of a movement without... |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #424 |
452. Otherwise ok people make mistakes |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #347 |
349. If you look, you will note that I was not responding to the OP. I was responding |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #349 |
361. I'm well aware of the flow of conversation in the subthread... |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #361 |
379. Ah. I'm not trying to understand anti-choice folks better. I do not want to cede them the right |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #379 |
387. You can understand someone without ceding anything to them. |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #387 |
404. I am not afraid. I'm not interested in reasoning with or understanding people |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #404 |
456. What you just said isn't extreme, but you're conflating two separate things. |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #456 |
470. I do not pretend to know what motivates anti-choice people. They give a lot of reasons |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 10:33 AM Response to Reply #289 |
314. No, that is not their argument |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
294. I think it's more of a desire to control than actual hatred |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
296. Absolutely agreed. nt |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
316. With All Due Respect; NOTHING About The Abortion Debate Is Pure And Simple. |
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Tommy_Carcetti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
317. Okay. Sure. Whatever you say. nt |
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AllieB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #317 |
320. Are you going to elaborate or just disregard the OP's opinion with sarcasm? |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #320 |
354. Angry males that can't control this thread |
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dem629 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
343. LOL |
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AllieB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #343 |
374. You're always on the wrong side of an issue, aren't you? |
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dem629 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #374 |
403. The issue here being: ridiculous hyperbole.... |
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AllieB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #403 |
443. Not a victim-I never have been. |
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dem629 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 12:30 PM Response to Reply #443 |
585. I see you were unwilling (or unable) to answer my question. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
352. Sexism is so deeply woven into our culture that it even has to be explained on a progressive board |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
357. No, it is not. It is a complex personal and medical issue overtaken by extremists.... |
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reflection (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
360. Well now, this has been a fun thread, hasn't it? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
371. Highly agree . . . and they've also reached the point of denying women the right to self-defense--!! |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #371 |
393. Beautiful |
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cagesoulman (648 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
372. I actually fucking agree with this |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
373. Questions |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
377. This is not so. |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
381. The right to have sexual intercourse without consequence |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #381 |
389. How many women are able to reach their goals with 10-12 kids? |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #389 |
398. Sorry, not following (n/t) |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #398 |
414. Being able to plan your reproductive life is empowering. |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #414 |
421. Ok I get you |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #421 |
427. So what? Why should it be set in stone? |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 05:38 PM Response to Reply #427 |
504. One can wish to not to have had children |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #504 |
505. Think about what you are saying. |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 07:51 PM Response to Reply #505 |
512. There comes a point |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:37 PM Original message |
Should gay people be punished for having sex also? |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 07:57 AM Response to Original message |
570. What's with the God reference in everything? |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 08:39 AM Response to Reply #570 |
579. It's where the punishment ideas come from |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-14-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #579 |
635. Consequence is not synonymous with punishment. (n/t) |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-14-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #635 |
637. Sounds that way in this context |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:31 PM Response to Reply #389 |
529. Well . . . if you're "Jon & Kate" you sell your lives and your children to the MSM . . . |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #381 |
396. Document or retract |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #396 |
401. I assume you mean this part? |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #401 |
417. So disengenuous. |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #417 |
477. Just pointing out that he's not backed up his outright lie |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 08:03 AM Response to Reply #477 |
571. Ok I see what you are ranting about |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #417 |
482. Oh dontchaknow that slutty slut sluttersons get them ALL the time! |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #482 |
491. I get preggers just to have 39-wk abortions!! They're fun (and imaginary!) |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 08:04 AM Response to Reply #482 |
572. So do you not want the right to do that or not? (n/t) |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:20 PM Response to Reply #396 |
409. He was just slut shaming |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #409 |
419. See now that is conflating the issue |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #419 |
422. You don't think people should be free to have sex? |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #422 |
431. free to have sex |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #431 |
434. You are incorrect |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #434 |
440. OK |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #440 |
445. You said society must come to terms with your opinion |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #445 |
502. I said society must come to terms with the reality of abortion |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 08:35 AM Response to Reply #502 |
577. You want YOUR point of view to be accepted |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #434 |
515. Im not sure either |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #431 |
437. Have you ever considered that women get abortions so their life doesn't get fucked up? |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #437 |
506. Yes I do consider that |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #431 |
455. Modern medicine |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #455 |
516. YES YES YES |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #431 |
486. I call bullshit on the 'both sides are extreme' meme |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #409 |
426. Well, "don't do the crime if you can't do the time"! |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #426 |
433. Yes sex can have serious consequences |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #433 |
435. God hates sex!!!!! |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #435 |
503. I am an atheist |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 08:38 AM Response to Reply #503 |
578. Seems you have been shaped by religion |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #578 |
641. Shaped by Religion |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #433 |
466. Like having an abortion |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 08:18 PM Response to Reply #466 |
518. Yup none of any of our bizniz |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #518 |
527. How, exactly, is an abortion like you beating your children? |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 05:43 AM Response to Reply #527 |
567. Ahh |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #426 |
484. Hey, didn't someone get a ration of shit for describing being 'punished with a baby'? |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #484 |
519. Eh? |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #381 |
407. It's about a lot more than abortion |
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dem629 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #381 |
410. In fact, during many debates here, some people make the argument |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #410 |
450. Oh, yeah. The woman who was raped made a bad choice. The woman |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #450 |
495. But good godly women always submit to their husbands' urges |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 08:11 AM Response to Reply #495 |
575. WTF are you talking about |
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dem629 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #450 |
588. Interesting that the first two examples you cite |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #410 |
490. You do realize that the anti-choice movement is largely against contraception don't you? |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 08:06 AM Response to Reply #490 |
573. Not really |
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dem629 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #490 |
587. And I'm sure all of that is carried out |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #381 |
478. Thanks for the abstinence lecture, Bristol. eom |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 08:10 AM Response to Reply #478 |
574. Reality sucks |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 08:45 AM Response to Reply #574 |
580. Reality is that there are options to deal with an unwanted pregnancies. |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-14-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #580 |
634. Hence My point |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
388. bingo |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
395. notice which gender is disagreeing with your premise |
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dem629 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #395 |
413. notice which gender is agreeing with your premise |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #413 |
430. Oh great. You again. |
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AllieB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #430 |
454. It's amazing he's still around. |
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dem629 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #454 |
590. Of course that's what you want. |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #413 |
462. the problem: most white people haven't experienced systematic |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 12:42 AM Response to Reply #462 |
549. And those people don't understand that both can change your life |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #395 |
453. The biggest anti-choice person on the thread is a woman. |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #453 |
458. the numbers is what i am referring to |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #453 |
465. OMF has only posted once so far |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:17 PM Response to Reply #465 |
475. OMG. |
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AllieB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #465 |
487. Who's OMF? |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #487 |
489. #316 |
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AllieB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #489 |
494. Amazing. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #453 |
473. So? Some of the biggest misogynists in the world are women. |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #473 |
476. I was refuting the poster's claim that one gender had the lock on the disagreement. |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 08:13 AM Response to Reply #395 |
576. Yes because there are no pro-life women right? n/t |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-14-09 12:04 AM Response to Reply #395 |
615. Across the spectrum of social and political viewpoints, both men and women |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
517. Thanks for the discussion All |
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fortyfeetunder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
526. Yes definitely anti-woman empowerment: |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
536. Sex and contreception are choices... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 12:17 AM Response to Reply #536 |
542. Contraception is fallible and some situations have nothing, nada |
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TerryRay (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 03:11 AM Response to Original message |
565. I have always felt |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 03:16 AM Response to Original message |
566. it's not. some people believe abortion is murder. there is no "pure & simple" anything in politics |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 08:47 AM Response to Reply #566 |
581. That's where secular law comes in |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
582. "Sperm Donors"??? |
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dem629 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #582 |
591. It's the usual misandry. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
586. One better: I'll respect a woman by not getting off my jollies, impregnating her, and then needing |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
594. there's a good book called "Sex in History" |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #594 |
595. +1 |
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Retired AF Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
596. First I want to say if a woman wants to abort her baby |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #596 |
597. why sir, I'm glad you brought that up |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #596 |
599. I've known a lot of women, including myself, who have had abortions |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
603. take a chill pill. most of the pro-lifers are about the unborn fetus's life, NOT hating women. |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #603 |
606. but, that's it--it's not about the woman's life at all |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-14-09 01:49 AM Response to Reply #606 |
627. exactly- it's not about the woman's life at all... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-14-09 12:34 AM Response to Reply #603 |
620. Right. All their press releases say so, it must be true! |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-14-09 01:53 AM Response to Reply #620 |
628. i'm not privy to their press releases... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-14-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #628 |
633. The anti woman crowd has YOUR attention foused on the fetus |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-14-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #633 |
638. if they hate women so much, why are the only "health care providers" being targeted... |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #633 |
642. just what i thought... |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 11:33 PM Response to Original message |
610. One may be strongly pro-feminist but oppose abortion. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
611. There is no incentive for the anti-choice movement to acknowledge, let |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
612. Biophysiology is not an equal-opportunity provider insofar as males are |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
614. Reproductive freedom should be the choice of the individual woman in |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-14-09 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
616. I'm trying to imagine a meeting at CNN or MSNBC in which you, |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-14-09 01:03 AM Response to Reply #616 |
622. I think it would be pretty easy. There are all kinds of graphics |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-14-09 01:05 AM Response to Reply #622 |
623. But this is the same media that has digital orgasms over the OctoMom. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-14-09 01:22 AM Response to Reply #623 |
625. Octo mom provided entertainment for the same people who think |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-14-09 01:30 AM Response to Reply #625 |
626. Tiller was the targeted "trespasser" who made the Far Right nutbags' |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-14-09 02:14 AM Response to Reply #626 |
629. The thing is pro and anti abortion positions are not two equally rational |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-14-09 07:28 AM Response to Reply #629 |
630. Your observation (whether or not one can be pro-feminist and |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-14-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #630 |
632. Agreed. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-14-09 12:48 AM Response to Original message |
621. Here's why the argument advanced in the OP is false: |
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Mushroom (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 01:00 AM Response to Reply #621 |
639. Oh FFS |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 07:10 AM Response to Reply #639 |
640. The mainstream media is not a dependable source of public commentary |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-14-09 01:20 AM Response to Original message |
624. As for "The Church's" views on women, I would personally like to see |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-14-09 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
636. Exactly, kick back to the top. |
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