Shooting at DC Holocaust Museum. Shooter allegedly shot

[Stinky The Clown]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/10/national/main5077874.shtml

AP reporting two people shot.

Shooter walked in with a rifle and started shooting.

US Park Police saying three were shot

[Stinky The Clown]

1. NBC's Pete Williams says three were shot by shooter

one in critical condition

shooter had shotgun, not rifle.

shooter in custody with DCPD

[Stinky The Clown]

2. Williams clarifies

3 shot - none were the shooter. One *may* have been museum guard

[Stinky The Clown]

3. Live video from the site on Trafficland

http://www.trafficland.com/city/WAS/

Select camera at 14th and Independence - see cops and EMS at site entrance

[Stinky The Clown]

14. Camera must have shut down, gotten cut, or the site is on overload

[marmar]

4. I thought there was security screening at Smithsonian museums now....

Seems like the last time I went to the Air and Space Museum I had to pass thru a metal detector.

[wndycty]

5. Are they considered National Parks?

:kick:

[marmar]

6. I don't think so.....but you're right, there is that "Take your Guns to the park" law....

n/t

[Statistical]

28. Law doesn't go into effect until Febuary.

Law also requires the park to follow rules of the state it is in.

DC allows no open or concealed carry.

However you are right since it is illegal to bring a weapon then he was stopped right?
Good thing he had to wait til Feb when the law goes into effect.

Oh wait... You mean criminals tend not to follow the law. Interesting.

[aikoaiko]

34. Which of course has no relevance to this case even if it were a park.

[arcadian]

10. The Park Service has quasi-jurisdiction over the Monuments area around the Mall.

It's all Federal, Park Service just has the manpower closest to that area.

[aikoaiko]

35. Why would you ask?

[Stinky The Clown]

7. The Holocaust Museum is a private facility. Not any part at all of the federal gov't.

That said, it has the same sort of metal detector security you find everywhere.

Supposedly, the shooter stormed the guards, passed security, and started shooting.

One of the injured is thought to be a security guard.

[marmar]

9. Oh, I didnt realize the Holocaust Museum wasn't part of the Smithsonian....I always assumed it was.

[Stinky The Clown]

11. Nope ... privately funded and privately operated

It is as good as a Smithsonian facility in terms of exhibit quality, but it is private.

[Lyric]

16. No, it's both public and private. A partnership.

From the Holocaust Museum website:

A living memorial to the Holocaust, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum stimulates leaders and citizens to confront hatred, prevent genocide, promote human dignity, and strengthen democracy. A public-private partnership, federal support guarantees the Museum’s permanence, and donors nationwide make possible its educational activities and global outreach.

http://www.ushmm.org/museum/mission/

It says that federal "support" (funding) guarantees the museum's permanence, so you are at least partially wrong. It's publicly funded, if not completely publicly owned and operated.

Just a FYI :)

[Stinky The Clown]

26. You could also say ......

...... I was partially right. But no matter ......... Just a FYI :)

When it opened, it was private.

[JuniperLea]

8. They need to start asking these freaks

What their Freeper name is.

[Bolo Boffin]

13. Word up. n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

12. All right, all you MFing fundamentalist dirtbags of any Fing religion out there

You don't get permission to start shooting abortion doctors and Jews and soldiers just because nobody fucking believes your stupid asses about anything anymore. SHIT. Obama getting elected may be the end of YOUR world, but that's not a gift card from the Almighty to end anyone else's.

[breadandwine]

15. Additional reports ---

Washington Post ---

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/10/AR2009061001768.html?hpid=topnews


Haaretz ---

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1091875.html

[Lex]

17. More right-wing domestic terrorists? It's getting common.

:cry:

[OneGrassRoot]

18. We don't have a clue who did this, other than it being male, right?

:shrug:

Did I miss more information provided somewhere?

[Lex]

19. only speculation + past recent events

nt

[Stinky The Clown]

29. Media describing shooter as 89 year old man connected to white supremacist and anti gov't groups

NBC/MSNBC

[Fleshdancer]

20. WTF? MSNBC now reporting the shooter was born in the 1920's

:wtf:

[krispos42]

21. Really?

:wtf: :wtf:

[Fleshdancer]

25. Yeah, the announcers couldn't believe it either. New update:

New update: looks like the shooter was on white supremest websites...not just visited, but active. They found his online activity through Google. Oh, and he was born in 1920 specifically.

What a sad way to end your days, to be filled with so much hate. It's pathetic.

[krispos42]

31. So he's been nursing this since V-E day???

Or perhaps... no, D-Day's aniversary was on Saturday, not today. So there couldn't be a connection... right?

According to Wikipedia, nothing too noteworthy happened on June 10th.

1944 – World War II: 642 men, women and children are killed in the Oradour-sur-Glane Massacre in France.
1944 – World War II: In Distomo, Boeotia Prefecture, Greece 218 men, women and children are massacred by German troops.


:shrug:

[Stinky The Clown]

24. Amazing, right?

They made it clear that is what they're reporting. May or may not be fact, but that is what they're saying.

[breadandwine]

22. NY Post ---

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06102009/news/nationalnews/police__at_l_east_2_shot_outside_holocau_173570.htm

[breadandwine]

23. Multiple reports on home page of Washington Post ---

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/front.htm

[breadandwine]

27. NY Times report ---

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/06/10/us/AP-US-Holocaust-Museum-Shooting.html?_r=1&hp

[notadmblnd]

30. I can't imagine living 89 years with that kind of hate.

What a miserable life he must have had. James Von Brunn is his name. Look at the stuff a google of his name brings up.

1.
Holy Western Empire - Biography of James von Brunn
James W. von Brunn holds a BachSci Journalism degree from a mid-Western university where he was president of SAE and played varsity football. ...
www.holywesternempire.org/bio.html - Cached - Similar pages
2.
Holy Western Empire
"It is my conviction that James von Brunn deserves the gratitude and assistance of every White Christian citizen of these United States." ...
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3.
James von Brunn - Artist, Art - James W. von Brunn
James von Brunn: AskART art price guide for James von Brunn and 75000+ American artists - James W. von Brunn art prices, value art, art appraisal, ...
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4.
White Racialist Treasure: James Von Brunn - Stormfront
4 posts - 3 authors - Last post: Feb 22, 2008
the site of James Von Brunn, author of _Kill The Best Gentiles (Tob ... When I first read his biography, I realized James Von Brunn had ...
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5.
- » HITLER'S WORST MISTAKE: By JAMES VON BRUNN
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The Black Jesus « SHARP IRON
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you James von Brunn; decorated war veteran, accomplished artist, social activist, anti-Semite, white supremacist and fellow ...
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8.
User:James von Brunn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
May 10, 2009 ... User: James W. von Brunn, b.1920, attempted to place the Federal Resrve Board of Governors under legal, non-violent citizens arrest, ...
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9.
Birdman Bryant: Correspondence with Tom Clancy on the Race Question
Aug 1, 2002 ... James von Brunn, who is mentioned in the correspondence, is a WW2 PT boat captain, champion of white rights and Western civilization, ...
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10.
Kill the Best Gentiles! by James von Brunn - A New Hard-Hitting ...
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[breadandwine]

32. The second link refers to the Holocaust in quotes.

www.holywesternempire.org/page2.html

The shooter, James von Brunn's book, "Kill The Best Gentiles: A new, hard-hitting exposé of the JEW CONSPIRACY to destroy the White gene-pool" (capitals in the original). Underneath it refers to the Holocaust in quotes. Evidently he's a Holocaust denier.

There was no Holocaust and we'll kill anybody who says there was....

[breadandwine]

33. The shooter spent time in prison, which he blames on "Jew/Negro attorneys."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/livecoverage/sections/metro/