Should Rupert Murdoch be deported?

[rfranklin]

We all know that Murdoch bought his way into citizenship in a deal with Newt Gingrich. Now he is threatening the President of the United States with terroristic statements. What's your opinion?

[SoCalNative]

1. Deport the bastard

and seize his assets

[tularetom]

2. Deport his ass

Castrate him first

[liberal N proud]

3. If his statements are threatening...

The Secret Service should be paying him a visit and if it is determined he is a threat to the President, he should be locked up.

Threating should include any comments that might incite violence of others against the President, taking into account his many media publications.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

20. So he is responsible for every word that appears in any entity he owns?

[liberal N proud]

24. Dose the captain not go down with the ship?

Is the boss not responsible for his employees?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

26. Not all those that comment in his papers or appear on his TV or radio stations are his employees.

[tsuki]

73. No, his buddy and partner, Prince Al-Waleed bin Tahal is responsible

for some of those words. He claimed that he could change the word feed on FAUXZERRA in 30 minutes.

http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/1375

[ThatsMyBarack]

4. Godd idea, but what if....

His old country doesn't want him back??

[RaleighNCDUer]

11. Then we compromise -

drop him in the ocean halfway there.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

5. Oh, for fuck's sake,

it's free speech, and if you read it as "threatening," your Sensitivity Meter needs to be adjusted.

That's the kind of freeper comment that makes me think that somehow, some people here at DU don't grasp what the First Amendment is all about ..................

[MADem]

10. Scary how few people on this thread "get" that. NT

[cali]

21. pathetic and disgusting how wingnutty some here are.

:puke:

[mamaleah]

52. Remember though,

Wingnutty is ok, as long as they are of the correct wing.

I threw up a little just typing that. :(

[Tangerine LaBamba]

54. You made me queasy, too.........

Nice work.

And welcome to DU..........

:toast:

[mamaleah]

63. Thanks!

Kinda scary thread.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

64. Yeah, well,

there's a whole lot of interesting pathologies that are stimulated by certain topics. That's what I've discovered, and I've been assisted by more experienced DUers who were kind enough to PM me and fill me in whenever I found myself tangled up in something that wasn't making sense.

Sometimes, giving someone the benefit of the doubt is a big, fat waste of time. You just let them go on, ignore them, or walk away from them.

You'll figure it out, but, honestly, DU is a great place. This thread is an aberration, the kind you'll encounter daily, but it's never dull.

Enjoy, and, again, welcome ............................

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

23. Agreed

[Taverner]

6. Deport the basterd

[Joanne98]

7. HELL YEAH!

[MADem]

8. What a hideous comment. The man is a US CITIZEN.

Why don't we deport YOU if you say or do something we don't like?

Jesus, the bullshit one reads here some days.

My "opinion" is that your suggesting is disgusting and prejudicial towards our immigrant population. If you have a problem with what the idiot says, confront him on that basis and no other--anyone who advocates deporting anyone they disagree with is not too bright, to put it kindly.

[rfranklin]

13. His citizenship was obtained by bribing Gingrich...

Federal immigration authorities can revoke an immigrant's naturalized citizenship if it was obtained by fraud, a federal appeals court ruled today.

The 2 to 1 ruling by a panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals overturned the decision of a Seattle judge who said the power of the Immigration and Naturalization Service to revoke citizenship for fraud was open to serious question.

Murdoch offered Gingrich a $2 million book contract at the time that Gingrich was ramming a special citizenship bill for Murdoch through Congress. That makes his citizenship a fraud. Thus, he is not actually a citizen. And he has been calling President Obama "dangerous." I don't think there can be any doubt that this foreigner is implying a threat to the POTUS.

[MADem]

55. Come on, get real That's never going to happen. Particularly since Newt Gingrich was never

in charge of the INS and had no power to control what they did--that's just craziness.

Rupert Murdoch, even if you, or I, do not care for views (or the views that his TV news station touts--though I DO enjoy the views his entertainment franchises tout, with Family Guy and the rest of the cartoon line-up being my particular favorites) as a US citizen has a right to express those views.

And "open to serious question" just doesn't apply to a guy who has many, many, MANY (did I say MANY) Americans on his payroll--everyone from janitors to lighting guys to make up people to talking heads, to people who create cartoons....and then there's all of that money that gets dumped into the economy as a result of advertising revenues....

If you're going to judge a person by how many Americans they employ, your ass, and mine, would be on the plane to parts unknown, our passports in the shredder, before his was.

It's just a stupid thing to say, whining "DEPORT HIM!!!!" when you don't like someone's views--even if those views are moronic.

I feel like I'm in an alternate universe when I hear that kind of unprogressive shit.

[onenote]

62. do you have a link about the book deal?

Gingrich had an ethics problem with a book deal he did with Murdoch in 1995 -- but that was 10 years after Murdoch got his citizenship.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

67. As I recall,

Newt had to pay a $300,000 fine for violating the Ethics Committee's rules for Congressmen, and then he was out of there.

Do people honestly think someone as high-profile as Rupert Murdoch can somehow "pull strings" to get American citizenship, if, in fact, he goes through the application process like everyone else and meets the requirements? Wouldn't that be really, really stupid?

[onenote]

69. right -- that was the 1995 incident. Long after he became a citizen

There were claims that reagan administration officials pulled some strings to expedite murdoch's citizenship application, but nothing that would invalidate it,

[onenote]

70. for what its worth, the case you describe was overturned two years later

http://nilc.org/immlawpolicy/natzcitzshp/nc032.htm

Not that its relevant anyway

[Cleita]

18. The man lives in China with his Chinese wife and family most of the time.

He has no loyalties to the USA or even his own homeland Australia.

[MADem]

56. So? Are you saying only those who live in the US are "Red Blooded Americans?"

Jesus, I'm screwed. I spent half my life outside the USA. What a traitor I must be, by those standards!

:rofl:

[Cleita]

75. Here have some smelling salts you crazy ex-pat.

Murdoch is an Australian. Are you?

[onenote]

59. link?

He appears a lot at events in the USA for someone who lives full time in China.

I saw him speak on a panel in April.

[Cleita]

76. I wish I could give you a better link but the ones I had have been scrubbed.

Here's an older one when he and Wendi were planning on building a home in Beijing. Although they don't live there all year, I hear that this is really his main home. He likes doing business in China or maybe hiding his money there. Wife Wendi has relatives there. You figure it out.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-12/22/content_402256.htm

[aquart]

77. Could we register him as an agent of the Chinese gov't?

Just for fun.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

31. I just read a post here

that called Murdoch out on not being "... a loyal American..."

Joe McCarthy would be so proud .....................

[Cleita]

33. Joe McCarthy has nothing to do with it but I wonder why you are calling

on his legacy so diligently?

[Tangerine LaBamba]

35. Because,

you inspire it...........

[Cleita]

36. Oh, when you make accusatory remarks like I'm some fascist like

McCarthy, you are going to have to explain it a little better.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

42. Was McCarthy a Fascist?

I just thought he was a paranoid drunk who ranted about people not being "loyal Americans".

You're confusing "descriptive" with "accusatory," something that only you can explain, but I'm sure you're not a Fascist................

[Cleita]

46. He walked like a fascist, talked like a fascist and quacked like one. I'd

say he was a fascist. His soul mate Newt Gingrich is pretty much in the same mold.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

47. Fascists forbade criticism of the government -

Rupert Murdoch criticized our government, and you are advocating stripping him of his citizenship and deporting him to his native Australia.

That's mighty Fascist thinking, as I see it, but, free speech lets us all say what we want, within reasonable bounds, and you certainly are welcome to your ideas. But, since it's a message board, we will also find those who do not agree with us.

The Fascists wouldn't like message boards like this one, not at all ................

[Cleita]

50. Obviously you are forbidding me from criticizing him.

I'll bet if he had to go into the INS kangaroo court with the rest of the Mexican illegals, and the legal Arabs, who are being accused of being terrorists, he would have the book thrown at him. Of course he would have to look like them.

[MADem]

61. If "loyalty" was a function of how many Americans you had on your payroll

old Rupert would be up there with the freakin' founding fathers.

I can't believe some of this shit. It's stunning, coming from the mouths of so-called progressives. I feel like we've been infected with an influenza of idiotic viewpoints from that hard-to-navigate site.

I also can't believe that I'd be compelled to defend Rupert Murdoch on this board. But if I'm to be true to my beliefs in our system of government, I have no alternative.

I always thought progressives were simply smarter. Fairer, too. I'm getting my eyes opened! Does power, indeed, corrupt?

[Tangerine LaBamba]

65. Imagine how I feel......

I'm under contract to one of his properties. Although he has nothing to do with that particular entity, and if you saw what I did there, you'd hardly characterize it as "conservative," still, it sometimes freaks me out to realize that my fortune in joined with that of Murdoch.

That said, the inability to reconcile points of view that differ from yours is a sign of tolerance. And maturity. And sophisticated thinking. At least, that's what I think.

Watching this recessive exposition is startling and sobering.

A long time ago, a very wise professor at my college told me that the hippies (it was the sixties) would turn out to be the biggest Puritans. I thought he was old and nuts, but, the laugh is on me. Watching some of what is posted here - not just this particular thread, although this one is a doozy - makes me wonder if it's a matter of lacking a background in American history, or a failure of our educational system, or is it that some never bothered to learn how the Constitution works, or did all those Civics classes just go to waste?

A lot of time, though, I think that certain subjects trigger intensely personal, and often quite deviant and inappropriate, reactions.

It's never dull, although a state of being horrified isn't much better than being bored, I must say ....

[Junkdrawer]

9. What did he say?

:shrug:

[onenote]

12. I must have missed something. Two questions.

One, what did he say that was "threatening" the President?

Second, I know he became a naturalized US citizen in 1985 in order to get around the Communications Act's foreign ownership rules, but are you suggesting that his citizenshp be revoked because of his statement or because the original naturalization was defective somehow?

[rfranklin]

15. See my comment above.

Murdoch is not an American citizen.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

22. Legally he is, until a judge or jury finds fraud and revokes his citizenship.

[spanone]

14. he is waging a constant campaign against democracy imo

fuck him

he's no patriot, but he satisfied the legal requirements...

~snip~

On September 4, 1985, Murdoch became a naturalized citizen in order to satisfy the legal requirement that only US citizens were permitted to own American television stations.


In 1995, Murdoch's Fox Network became the object of scrutiny from the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), when it was alleged that News Ltd.'s Australian base made Murdoch's ownership of Fox illegal. However, the FCC ruled in Murdoch's favor, stating that his ownership of Fox was in the best interests of the public.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch

[asksam]

16. Since I'm in favor of deporting all Rethugs...

... yeah, boot Murdoch out.

(OK, I know we can't deport all Rethugs. But that doesn't stop me from fantasizing.)

[Cleita]

17. I think so. He's not a loyal American by any means.

Also, his main residence is in China not here.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

29. "... a loyal American ..."

That sounds far too much like Joe McCarthy.

Unbelievable what you find on DU sometimes. Utterly unbelievable.

"... a loyal American ..."

[Cleita]

32. Sometimes we have to say the words, no matter how uncomfortable

they might be. However, if you want your country bought and sold by a billionaire jerk whose main loyalties are to China, be my guest. We already have been bought and sold to the Saudis by eight years of unloyal Americans, whom everyone was afraid to call that because it was too McCarthy, to
POINT OUT THE TRUTH!

[Tangerine LaBamba]

34. "... uncomfortable ..."

doesn't begin to describe what I'm feeling as I read your words.

Maybe not Joe McCarthy. Maybe HUAC would have been a more suitable landing place.................

[Cleita]

37. Maybe my language isn't as elegant as those of you who pretend to be

writers. What I say is from my heart. A man like him who laughs at the rest of us and especially has no loyalty to our Constitution, while enjoying all his multi-billionaire perks in Manhattan and elsewhere in the world, including China, deserves to be spit upon, not defended by Americans unless they are bankers or hedge fund managers. I do hope you aren't one of them.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

38. I am someone who holds the First Amendment

quite sacred, and your reading of history, of what happened during the time of HUAC and Senator McCarthy, suggests that you do not have the same devotion to it as I do.

I'm sure your heart is in a good place, and that it is a very good heart, but we who demand free speech for ourselves must demand it for those whose speech we find hateful.

In fact, we must demand the most protection for the most hateful speech, because that is where all our freedoms lie.

Rupert Murdoch's business dealings - and I must confess, as someone who is under contract to one of Murdoch's babies, HarperColiins, a remarkably liberal outfit, by the way, populated by the coolest, bluest people you could imagine - have nothing to do with his patriotism. You might well question the patriotism of George H. W. Bush, who is entwined intimately with the Carlyle Group, and has been for decades, or you might question the patriotism of anyone who makes money by doing business with countries that our government finds acceptable, but you do not.

Your standards are different from what the Constitution calls for, but, as you said, you are speaking from your heart. Far too often, the road to hell really is paved with good intentions ................

[Cleita]

44. "You might well question the patriotism of George H. W. Bush,

You might well question the patriotism of George H. W. Bush, who is entwined intimately with the Carlyle Group, and has been for decades, or you might question the patriotism of anyone who makes money by doing business with countries that our government finds acceptable, but you do not."

I do all the time and when those Nazis are brought to justice it will be a great day in our country. My standards are Thomas Paines actually.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

45. Nazis ........

I have a rule, and that is that when someone gratuitously introduces "Nazis" into what had heretofore been rather civilized discourse, I leave..........................

[Cleita]

51. Buh bye!

I have the same problem with being compared to McCarthy. However, I will stick around for fun.

[Sebastian Doyle]

53. The Bush Crime Family are LITERALLY Nazis

They funded Hitler, and continued to profit from his regime, even during the war, mostly from a steel factory that used concentration camp slave labor.

Is that NAZI enough for you?

[Cleita]

40. HUAC is really rude of you as I knew people who were banned and they

were friends of mine. I wonder why you people want to own the conversation because you don't like certain words and concepts. It makes me believe that you want to bring up these things so people will back down and not say the truth as they see it. Do you also object to the word Nazi? Especially when it's used in reference to just about anyone in the Bush administration? Do you? Or are you going to accuse me of Stalinism this time?

[Tangerine LaBamba]

43. I simply find it offensive

that you demand someone you describe as not a "loyal American" should be deported because you don't agree with his politics.

That's what the people of HUAC did, and they, too, had lots of supporters..........

[Cleita]

49. It has nothing to do with his politics. He can be the biggest

ass hole right wing Republican he wants to be as long as all he does is take it to the voting booth. He has systematically used his propaganda news machine to undermine any free speech in his country Australia, Great Britain and now ours. Please tell me that Fox News is fair and balanced and I will sell you San Quentin Prison. Oh, sorry Arnold beat me to that one. Murdoch isn't a bit interested in making this country a better one, only exploiting it for his own inflated ego. My mother was a naturalized immigrant and I have known many of them who appreciated this country and wanted to make it a better place. Murdoch isn't that immigrant.

[onenote]

58. should every media outlet be required to be "fair and balanced"

should newspapers be required to be "fair and balanced" (as determined by whom, I might ask)

FoxNews is not a broadcast outlet, by the way. Its not "licensed" by the government. It has free speech rights essentially equivalent to those of a newspaper.

[Cleita]

60. They used to be because they followed journalistic principles, something

Murdoch knows, but cynically has tossed aside for propaganda and sensationalism.

[aquart]

19. Has he even set foot in this country? Since?

[rfranklin]

25. Good...just revoke his citizenship....

and cancel his passport.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

30. He lives in Manhattan .......

His two daughters are in school there...........

[Chisox08]

27. Persona non Grata

Kick him out and shut down Fixed News

[eppur_se_muova]

28. Well, sure -- better safe than sorry. nt

[Badgerman]

39. Too expensive, deportation not a certainty...just shoot him! n/t

[Badgerman]

41. Too expensive, deportation not a certainty...just shoot him! n/t

[mitchum]

48. Send that roofucker packing

[Rex]

57. He should be fired out of a cannon.

I don't care where he lands.

[anonymous171]

66. He should pull a Nixon and just threaten him with deportation.

Not like it would do much, since Murdoch is so fucking rich.

[Initech]

68. Get him the fuck out.

[lpbk2713]

71. Only if he carries Hannity under one arm ...

... and O'Reilly under the other.

[donheld]

72. to Uranus

[Kievan Rus]

74. The Secret Service needs to investigate him

[onenote]

78. for what?

I asked above, but didn't get an answer: what did he say?

[LeftishBrit]

79. No. He would just spend even more time in the UK fucking up our media.

[Violet_Crumble]

80. He's a US citizen so you guys are stuck with him. Suckers!

When he gave up his Australian citizenship and got US citizenship for the very noble aim of building a media empire in the US, there wasn't a clause that allowed for buyers remorse later on down the track. Unfortunately there also wasn't a clause to stop him returning here and trying to interfere in election campaigns that he can no longer vote in anyway...

[Ganja Ninja]

81. Seize his American assets and deport his ass.

Let him go live in China and see if they put up with his crap.