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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 05:44 AM
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Key figures in global battle against illegal arms trade lost in Air France crash

ARGENTINA: Argentine campaigner Pablo Dreyfus and Swiss colleague Ronald Dreyer battled South American arms and drug trafficking

From Andrew McLeod

AMID THE media frenzy and speculation over the disappearance of Air France's ill-fated Flight 447, the loss of two of the world's most prominent figures in the war on the illegal arms trade and international drug trafficking has been virtually overlooked.

Pablo Dreyfus, a 39-year-old Argentine who was travelling with his wife Ana Carolina Rodrigues aboard the doomed flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris, had worked tirelessly with the Brazilian authorities to stem the flow of arms and ammunition that for years has fuelled the bloody turf wars waged by drug gangs in Rio's sprawling favelas.

Also travelling with Dreyfus on the doomed flight was his friend and colleague Ronald Dreyer, a Swiss diplomat and co-ordinator of the Geneva Declaration on Armed Violence who had worked with UN missions in El Salvador, Mozambique, Azerbaijan, Kosovo and Angola. Both men were consultants at the Small Arms Survey, an independent think tank based at Geneva's Graduate Institute of International Studies. The Survey said on its website that Dryer had helped mobilise the support of more than 100 countries to the cause of disarmament and development.

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Buenos Aires-born Dreyfus had been living in Rio since 2002, where he and his sociologist wife worked with the Brazilian NGO Viva Rio.

"Pablo will be remembered as a gentle and sensitive man with an upbeat sense of humour," said the Small Arms Survey. "He displayed an intellectual curiosity and a determined work ethic that excited and enthused all who worked with him."

According to the International Action Network on Small Arms Control (IANSA), Dreyfus's work was instrumental in the introduction of landmark small arms legislation in Brazil in 2003. Under this legislation, an online link was created between army and police databases listing production, imports and exports of arms and ammunition in Brazil.

Dreyfus was an advocate of the stringent labelling of ammunition by weapons firms, arguing that by clearly identifying ammunition not only by its producer but also its purchaser, the likelihood of weapons being sourced by criminals from corrupt police or armed forces personnel is greatly reduced.

Though a Brazilian referendum on the right to bear arms was rejected in 2005, Viva Rio says the campaign should be considered a success because half a million weapons were voluntarily handed in to the authorities. Anti-gun activists put the referendum defeat down to fears criminals would circumvent the law and continue to gain access to small arms the usual way - through Paraguay and other bordering countries. This was not an irrational fear: until 2004, when Paraguay bowed to Brazilian pressure, even foreign tourists were allowed to purchase small arms simply by presenting a photocopy of their identity card. Dreyfus knew that many of the weapons from the so-called tri-border area between Brazil, Paraguay and Argentina were reaching Rio drug gangs.

When unidentified gunmen made off with a stash of hand grenades from an Argentine military garrison in 2006, Dreyfus deplored what he said was lax security at military depots across the world. "If a supermarket can keep control of the amount of peas it has in stock, surely a military organisation could and should be able to do the same with equal if not greater efficiency with its weapons," he said. "The key words are logisitics, control, security."

When Rio agents smashed a cell of drug traffickers who had sourced their weapons from the tri-border area, Dreyfus noted its leaders were prominent businessmen living in apartments in the plush Rio suburbs of Ipanema and São Corrado, "not in the favelas".

In a recent report posted on the Brazilian website Comunidade Segura (Safe Community), Dreyfus noted that the Brazilian arms firm CBC (Companhia Brasileira de Cartuchos) had become one of the world's biggest ammunition producers by purchasing Germany's Metallwerk Elisenhutte Nassau (MEN) in 2007, and Sellier & Bellot (S&B) of the Czech Republic in March. This would not be particularly noteworthy but for the fact that CBC's exports had tapered off in recent years due to legislation restricting exports to Paraguay, arms that often found their way back into Brazil and on to the Rio drug gangs - the "boomerang effect", as Dreyfus called it. "The commercial export of weapons and ammunition from Brazil to the bordering countries stopped in 2001," wrote Dreyfus. "CBC lost commercial markets in Latin America, but Brazil won in public security."

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http://www.sundayherald.com/international/shinternational/display.var.2512885.0.0.php
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 05:46 AM
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1. This is a loss for the Peace community.
These were people who were making a difference.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 06:46 AM
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2. Bomb can not be ruled out
The airplane broke up in flight. That is a highly unlikely and highly unusual event. Pitot tubes icing over leading to a loss of control is the latest theory, and in my professional opinion, very unlikely. A highly experienced airline crew should be able to fly the aircraft with a pitch (attitude) plus a power setting without very much problem. Especially at cruise with over seven miles of altitude to play with.

We may never know what happened but the speculation so far is very dubious.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 06:47 AM
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3. Actually given the state of the debris found
and the bodies, a bomb can be ruled out.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 07:08 AM
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4. How so?
How? A bomb does not have to be very big to take out an airliner. One small bomb in the cargo compartment near a wing....

Seriously, what have you heard to rule out a bomb? I've been flying for 20 years and would be interested to know.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 07:43 AM
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5. What have you heard to suggest a bomb?
They have found parts of wings, oxygen masks, brief cases (one with a ticket), seventeen bodies, seats with Air France written on them. Nothing found appears to be been burned.

Further:
Investigators in Paris said Saturday that the Air France flight sent out 24 automated error messages lasting about four minutes before it crashed. The error messages suggest the plane may have been flying too fast or too slow through severe thunderstorms it encountered before the crash, officials said.

Schiavo said the four minutes of automated signals sent from the plane "was a very long time."


http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/06/08/brazil.plane.crash/index.html

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Nothing I have read or watched to date suggests a bomb.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 08:24 AM
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6. Colleagues battling arms/drug trafficking in S. America...
...die in plane travelling from S. America.

There's one suggestion.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 08:42 AM
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7. No...would powermongers dealing illegal arms&drugs crash planes, steal elections, kill reporters?
Deepsix or coverup government reports that point out their global terror networks?

Would they?

Surely you know that 'coincidence' just could be as plausible a theory?
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 09:51 AM
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15. Would Persons Engaged In Substantial International Business Or Other Activity
Edited on Mon Jun-08-09 09:54 AM by jberryhill
...be likely to be aboard a flight between Rio and Europe?

Yup.

Given the crime situation in Rio, if I wanted to have someone killed while visiting there, it would be outrageously simple to have them succumb to "random street violence" than to blow up an airplane.

It is remarkable how the global conspiracy of whatever manages to come up with the most inefficient ways of doing things.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 10:10 AM
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16. +1.
People die everyday in dangerous cities.
Planes tend to not fall out of the sky everyday.

Which draws more media attention?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 10:14 AM
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17. Except killing individually has a greater chance of tracking back and raising question of motive.
Edited on Mon Jun-08-09 10:15 AM by blm
Tylenol 101

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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 10:25 AM
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19. Really?
Edited on Mon Jun-08-09 10:27 AM by Statistical
2 people dying an a "mugging" in a crime ridden city just like the hundred thousand + homicide victims all of the world would be MORE attention then destroying a international passenger liner.

Except somehow blm figured it out already so I guess that plan failed.

Would we even be talking about this if two people we had never heard of died in a "mugging"?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 11:16 AM
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22. They were known to people who HAVE made it a point to follow global arms/drug running
Edited on Mon Jun-08-09 11:17 AM by blm
stories since the release of the BCCI report. Statistical never bothered to read any of the narco-terrorism reports or figure out that those operations have been continuous for decades?
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 12:54 PM
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23. People die everyday in muggings in Rio - Commercial aircraft crashes are rare
Edited on Mon Jun-08-09 01:00 PM by jberryhill

I don't think people realize how exceptional a commercial aviation disaster is. There are millions of people who fly in a given year - thousands of flights every single day - with a couple hundred fatalities per year tops. Airline crashes are statistically close to non-existent, which is why they attract such attention and intensive investigation.

Taking a plane across the ocean is safer than walking down your own staircase.

In contrast, Rio is one of the worlds most violent cities in terms of personal crime.

If your point is that the deaths of these two people would be noticed by suspicious minds whatever the cause, then that is an argument against causing their death by a highly unlikely event.

On top of that - making sure the plane sent erroneous air speed data consistent with a known flaw of that type of air speed system is pretty tricky.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 02:51 PM
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26. the average casual consumer of news would ignore a mugging of these particular victims...
on the other hand....those who paid attention to their work, would NOT and would have viewed them as TARGETS.

Easier coverup if they were part of an event that claimed a few hundred victims.

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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 08:58 AM
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27. "if they were part of an event that claimed a few hundred victims"

That's what I'm saying.

Murder in Rio claims more victims in a year than civil aviation.

Thank you for playing.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 02:16 PM
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25. That isn't evidence, though.
The fact that someone else, even someone powerful, may benefit by a death does not in itself prove anything. Motivation can be a factor in a crime, but so far there's no evidence that a crime took place.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 08:47 AM
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8. It was a "slow bomb" like that slow-mo explosion in the matrix.
Seriously it is strange that some people cling to the idea of a bomb.
Almost like they want/need it to be a bomb.

The evidence is incomplete but nothing so far suggests a bomb.
Nothing.

The long sequence of failures over a long period of time.
The lack of hijacking signal (also used in midair detonation) via automated sat link.
The fact that no debris has been founded burned
The timing that the bomb just happen to go off right when the plane was reporting inaccurate speeds and flying into a huge thunderstorm would be a one in a million coincidence.

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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 09:01 AM
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11. "The fact that no debris has been founded burned"

While there is no evidence thus far suggesting a bomb, a lack of burned debris is not necessarily indicative of an absence of a bomb. A small explosive can disable an aircraft without any significant incendiary effect.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 09:21 AM
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13. Agreed however.....
there is NO evidence what so ever that it was a bomb.

Generally you would want some evidence to support a theory.

So while lack of burned material is not a guarantee of a bomb some burned material might indicate it.
Given there is no burned material nor ANY OTHER evidence of a bomb people claiming such likely are wanting/needing it to be a bomb.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 09:50 AM
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14. Agreed
Edited on Mon Jun-08-09 09:50 AM by jberryhill
And, not for nothing, the fact that any transatlantic flight may have any number of people engaged in interesting activities aboard is not unusual.

It's not as if people are chosen at random to fly between Rio and Europe. There will always be people in the first class cabin alone who are engaged in substantial business or official activity.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 10:23 AM
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18. Some are saying it was a bomb...others aren't saying HOW it was done, just that it would be SOP for
Edited on Mon Jun-08-09 10:24 AM by blm
certain powerful people involved in that business for nearly 5 decades.

Try reading the BCCI report and the report on narco-terrorism. You might notice a number of names on those reports who also died in plane crashes while several reporters involved in uncovering those stories seemed to choose suicide and caused some of their work to go missing at the same time.

But, would Poppy Bush or any of his cronies do that? The same group who watched Saddam Hussein gas over 500 civilan men, women, and children and kept doing business with the guy? No....say it isn't so....why, they'd NEVER.....Poppy Bush is such a gentleman....and a statesman.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 10:28 AM
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20. Um... Bush hasn't been President for a while now.
Were you asleep in November.
We have a new President.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 11:11 AM
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21. So...in Jan 1993, Poppy Bush and his pals woke up and decided to STOP running drugs, arms, nukes
Edited on Mon Jun-08-09 11:20 AM by blm
moneylaundering, and funding global terror networks because Poppy was no longer sleeping in the White House?

You coincidence theorists are the reason serious government reports get buried so easily.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 09:05 AM
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12. Ding ding
The evidence is incomplete but nothing so far suggests a bomb.
Nothing.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 08:49 AM
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9. k+r
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 08:51 AM
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10. I bet the PNAC/BFEE arms dealers sabotaged the plane's electronics and seeded that thunderstorm,
so nobody would expect the tiny thermite bombs they planted on a few small key locations to make the plane fall apart.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 01:20 PM
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24. This Should Get the Tin Foilers Spinning
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