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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 01:19 AM
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Laura Ling and Euna Lee sentenced to 12 years.
I know any who have watched Current TV are admirers of Laura Ling and her crew's investigative journalism. The AJE report said the State Department had hopes that negotiations for the release of the two will take place.

People may remember the recent release of the American reporter of Iranian descent after a trial and conviction in Iran. Contrast that with the US treatment of a captured Arab journalist. He was never tried or convicted, but was tortured for years in the Gulag prison at Guantanamo and then released when the PR cost became a bit too high.

Let us hope that North Korea behaves more like Iran than like the US.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 01:25 AM
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1. Lisa Ling's sister. Hope they get them out of there.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 01:56 AM
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2. K & R
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 02:00 AM
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3. I read on CNN that Al Gore or Bill Richardson may be sent
over to negotiate their release. This is horrible-I pray that it has a happy conclusion.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 02:13 AM
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4. More on how the US treated the Al Jazeera journalist it threw into its torture camps
http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2008/04/13/sami-al-haj-the-banned-torture-pictures-of-a-journalist-in-guantanamo/

That fairly complete summary includes drawings by the victim, and quite a bit more. A few paragraphs:

As Stafford Smith listened to Sami’s story, he was appalled to discover — beyond the tales of torture in Kandahar, Bagram and Guantánamo, and disturbingly unsubstantiated claims that he had “arranged for the transport of a Stinger anti-aircraft system from Afghanistan to Chechnya” — that every one of the hundred-plus interrogations to which he had been subjected in Guantánamo had focused solely on the administration’s attempts to turn him into an informant against al-Jazeera, to “prove” a connection between the broadcaster and Osama bin Laden that did not exist. As Stafford Smith noted bluntly and accurately in his book, The Eight O’Clock Ferry to the Windward Side: Seeking Justice in Guantánamo Bay, “Sami was a prisoner in the Bush Administration’s assault on al-Jazeera.”

Later events and disclosures only served to reveal more of the administration’s dark machinations. A reporter was killed in a US bomb attack on al-Jazeera’s headquarters in Baghdad in April 2003, and in 2006 it was reported that President Bush had, as Stafford Smith again described it in his book, “mooted the idea of bombing the al-Jazeera headquarters in Qatar.” As for Sami, it transpired that the US authorities had probably seized him because they had confused him with another man who had interviewed Osama bin Laden (although as Stafford Smith also noted, “name me a journalist who would turn down a bin Laden scoop”), and that, while Sami was on assignment in Afghanistan, his calls to his wife had been monitored by the CIA. “Extrapolating from the experience of a lowly cameraman like Sami,” Stafford Smith added, “it did not seem implausible that the phone of every al-Jazeera journalist was being tapped.”

The prisoners’ testimony was an enormous step forward in the wider understanding of the torture and abuse that was endemic in the administration’s “War on Terror” prisons, when their accounts, which were all subjected to a censorship process instigated by the Pentagon, often, and bewilderingly, emerged at the other end more or less intact.

In Sami’s case, his background in journalism added another dimension to these reports. In his book, Clive Stafford Smith recalled that when he asked Sami for information, he “would assemble important facts on almost any topic in the prison relying on the incredible prisoner bush telegraph.” He added, “Sami wrote reports about his treatment, the conditions at the prison and the pattern of his interminable interrogations. Perhaps two-thirds of these eventually made it through the censors, the others being held up for reasons that seemed little related to US security.”

These first-hand reports from behind the wire included reports on the religious abuse — primarily of the Qu’ran — that led to a series of hunger strikes and suicide attempts, and an assessment of the number of prisoners who were under 18 at the time of their capture (forty-five in total) which, as Stafford Smith wrote, sounded doubtful but was, in the end, probably something of an understatement. When the Pentagon finally released a prisoner list in 2006 — following a successful lawsuit pursued by the Associated Press — an analysis by Reprieve concluded that as many as sixty-four prisoners had been under 18 at the time of their capture (although it was difficult to state this with certainty, as many knew only the year of their birth, and not the day or the month).Text

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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 02:16 AM
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5. Let us hope. How sad that we have to hope that.
:cry:
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 12:46 AM
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6. Indeed. Once upon a time, long, long ago, the US had at least some
Edited on Tue Jun-09-09 12:47 AM by ConsAreLiars
claim to being better than Stalinist Russia or Nazi Germany or Apartheid South Africa and so on when it came to treatment of those it imprisoned. Very, very sad.

(edit in omitted word)
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 02:16 AM
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7. They will be waterboarded , isolated, and put on a Korean Prison diet...
They will be help there for 10 years....

Should not have ventured there.....in the first place.....

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 02:33 AM
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8. did they venture there? Or were they on the Chinese side of the border?
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 04:45 AM
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13. I think you are assuming that they would be treated like the US treats those it captrures.
You might be right, but the fact that the US is a torture state does not mean they will meet the same fate as those the US calls enemies. We'll find out eventually, but I wouldn't assume that every country is as evil as the US when it comes to treatment of prisoners.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 07:14 AM
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15. you've got to be kidding.
there's enough known about N. Korea's prisons to know that it is undoubtedly one of the most, if not the most, deadly and brutal in the world. Your comment is absurdly ignorant and foolish to an extreme- even for DU which has an abundance of such.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:43 AM
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9. The whole thing is a huge mess
I don't think they deserved the sentence they got, but the two of them were pretty dumb for going over there and putting themselves in danger. Granted I understand there was a good story there, but at the same time, they put their own government in a bind. Now the government has to bail them out when the two countries are already in a very tense. My thinking is when they come home they need to express gratitude to their government for getting them out and admit they were wrong for doing what they did to deter others from doing such a stupid idiotic thing.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 07:11 AM
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14. Thanks for the attack, since you can't read very well
and seem to like to break the DU rules, let me restate my point for you clearly:

1) I'm not siding with Kim Jung Ill, I'm pointing out that the two women in fact have made our hand weaker by going over there putting themselves in danger and getting themselves captured. In fact this is what they HAVE done.

2) The country they happened to be captured by happens to be one that is threatening not only the US, but also one of our main allies South Korea.

3) I actually know quite a bit about what is and has been going on in North Korea because I read books and various stuff online. I've read books written by people who have escaped from North Korea and described Gulags.

4) They should take responsiblity for what they have done and show gratitude to our government because they are going to have to bail civilians out of what has turned out to be an international incident. Hopefully anyone else thinking about doing something so boneheaded will think twice about it.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 07:31 AM
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16. Good reporters put themselves in danger regularly.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 07:41 AM
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17. Agreed, but this was a little over board I think
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:51 AM
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10. Please consider signing this petition about them
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 04:38 AM
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12. Done. Thanks for that link.
I encourage others to sign. Sure, it might only add a feather to one side of the scale, but it's more than doing nothing,
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