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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 10:39 AM
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Shootout Kills 16 in Mexico's Acapulco Resort
Edited on Sun Jun-07-09 10:55 AM by tekisui
Source: Yahoo/AP

ACAPULCO, Mexico – Soldiers fought for two hours with armed men apparently holding police hostage at a house in Acapulco, leaving one soldier and 15 gunmen dead, a military official said Sunday.

Three soldiers and three Mexican bystanders were wounded. Several Mexican tourists were evacuated from small hotels in the old Acapulco neighborhood, which was once popular with Hollywood stars but has since become run-down.


The gunbattle erupted Saturday night when soldiers received a tip about the presence of armed men at a gated house, said an army colonel who led the operation and spoke on condition of anonymity for security reasons.

The gunmen opened fire and hurled some 50 grenades at soldiers who arrived at the house, according to the colonel, who wore a ski mask as he led reporters through the scene.

Several gunmen tried to flee, but crashed their car into a Humvee blocking the gate. At one point during the fighting, armed men with grenades arrived in a car to reinforce the gunmen in the house, but they died in the shooting, the colonel said.

Soldiers found four Guerrero state police officers handcuffed inside the garage of the house, the colonel said. The officers, who were still bound and sitting the floor when reporters arrived, said they were being held captive by the gunmen, the colonel said.

The soldiers did not know the police were inside when the shootout began, and the colonel said their claims would be investigated.

more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090607/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_drug_war_mexico;_ylt=AuPUZDfdEw8m.aSD6zDxYZus0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTJqMDBoY2dsBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkwNjA3L2x0X2RydWdfd2FyX21leGljbwRjcG9zAzIEcG9zAzYEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yeQRzbGsDc2hvb3RvdXRraWxs">Link

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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 10:40 AM
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1. mexico is definetly of my vacation list for the moment. fecking nuts
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 10:41 AM
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2. Good grief. Mexico has gotten extremely violent.
Any DUers down there to comment? For now, it's off the vacation list for me.

Canada sounds nice this year.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 10:58 AM
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6. The violence increases in all these countries
as the IMF, WB and WTO devalue of the lives of ordinary people. Interestingly the major imports after their arrival are weapons and drugs.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 11:00 AM
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7. factory farming has also done a lot of damage.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 11:04 AM
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9. lol i dont know why but i thought you meant something completey different.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 11:27 AM
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14. Depends on where you go
Guerrero has had a lot of problems with the drug cartels. Where I live in Zacatecas, very little. In fact, the only related incident I can think of is when two drug gangsters were escaping another state on the highway through this state. They crashed up their car and were taken to the hospital here, where nurses reported them immediately to police and they were arrested.

Think of the 1970s when one might have taken a vacation to the beautiful Finger Lakes District of Upstate New York, but might have put off a visit to New York City, because of crime back then. Or the 1980s, when crime was extremely high in Miami, you might have decided to go to the Jersey shore.

It's like that.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 11:46 AM
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16. Yes.
There was a tourist murdered in PV last year, but I've been many times before and since and have never even felt threatened any time day or night.

Like anywhere, you just have to use common sense.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 10:43 AM
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3. you mean Elvis' "Fun in Aucapulco" was.....just a movie? nt
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 10:43 AM
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4. A house is now a resort according to AP? Must just be a mistake
Edited on Sun Jun-07-09 10:48 AM by RB TexLa
I'm sure they meant to say it was in the "resot city" of Acapulco instead of saying it was at an Acapulco resort. I'm sure that was just an honest mistake.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 10:53 AM
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5. If you want to visit Mexico outside of big resorts where everyone speaks English
it can be very dangerous. That's what I've been told by some of my Mexican patients. (I'm a nurse). It bums me out. I'd like to go to Mexico. But, I have no desire to go to a beach resort. The stories I hear about Mexico are very sad. It's easy to understand why so many come here to the USA.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 11:01 AM
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8. Let's see: Googling "U.S. gun sales; political assassinations; rapes; draggings;
murders; ..."
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 11:11 AM
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11. ?
:shrug:
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 11:04 AM
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10. I go to Mexico all the time.
Avoiding Mexico because of these incidents is like avoiding the US because of a backalley in New Orleans.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 11:13 AM
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12. DU is the home of the exaggerated knee-jerk over reaction.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 11:22 AM
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13. Thank you. I notice that *your* post, which makes my point in a different way, does *not*
have a shrugging smilie Reply to it. Congrats.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 11:43 AM
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15. It's amazing how ignorant Americans are of their next-door neighbor.
They think a murder in old downtown Acapulco means they have to cancel their trip to Playa del Carmen - or even Cozumel.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 02:22 PM
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18. *Their* post actually made sense.
It was at least coherent.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 02:59 PM
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19. ?
:shrug:
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 03:09 PM
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20. Ummmm...
Crime and Violence Throughout Mexico

The greatest increase in violence has occurred near the U.S. border. However, U.S. citizens traveling throughout Mexico should exercise caution in unfamiliar areas and be aware of their surroundings at all times. Mexican and foreign bystanders have been injured or killed in violent attacks in cities across the country, demonstrating the heightened risk of violence in public places. In recent years, dozens of U.S. citizens have been kidnapped across Mexico. Many of these cases remain unresolved. U.S. citizens who believe they are being targeted for kidnapping or other crimes should notify Mexican officials and the nearest American consulate or the Embassy as soon as possible, and should consider returning to the United States.

U.S. citizens should make every attempt to travel on main roads during daylight hours, particularly the toll ("cuota") roads, which generally are more secure. Occasionally, the U.S. Embassy and consulates advise their employees as well as private U.S. citizens to avoid certain areas, abstain from driving on certain roads because of dangerous conditions or criminal activity, or recommend driving during daylight hours only. When warranted, U.S. government employees are restricted from traveling to or within parts of Mexico without prior approval from their supervisors. When this happens, the Embassy or the affected consulate will alert the local U.S. citizen Warden network and post the information on their respective websites, indicating the nature of the concern and the expected time period for which the restriction will remain in place. U.S. citizen visitors are encouraged to stay in the well-known tourist areas of the cities. Travelers should leave their itinerary with a friend or family member not traveling with them, avoid traveling alone, and should check with their cellular provider prior to departure to confirm that their cell phone is capable of roaming on GSM or 3G international networks. Do not display expensive-looking jewelry, large amounts of money, or other valuable items.

Violence Along the U.S. - Mexico Border

Mexican drug cartels are engaged in an increasingly violent conflict - both among themselves and with Mexican security services - for control of narcotics trafficking routes along the U.S.-Mexico border. In order to combat violence, the government of Mexico has deployed troops in various parts of the country. U.S. citizens should cooperate fully with official checkpoints when traveling on Mexican highways.

Some recent Mexican army and police confrontations with drug cartels have resembled small-unit combat, with cartels employing automatic weapons and grenades. Large firefights have taken place in many towns and cities across Mexico but most recently in northern Mexico, including Tijuana, Chihuahua City and Ciudad Juarez. During some of these incidents, U.S. citizens have been trapped and temporarily prevented from leaving the area. The US Mission in Mexico currently restricts non-essential travel within the state of Durango and all parts of the state of Coahuila south of Mexican Highways 25 and 22 and the Alamos River for US Government employees assigned to Mexico. This restriction was implemented in light of the recent increase in assaults, murders, and kidnappings in those two states. The situation in northern Mexico remains fluid; the location and timing of future armed engagements cannot be predicted.

A number of areas along the border are experiencing rapid growth in the rates of many types of crime. Robberies, homicides, petty thefts, and carjackings have all increased over the last year across Mexico generally, with notable spikes in Tijuana and northern Baja California. Ciudad Juarez, Tijuana and Nogales are among the cities which have recently experienced public shootouts during daylight hours in shopping centers and other public venues. Criminals have followed and harassed U.S. citizens traveling in their vehicles in border areas including Nuevo Laredo, Matamoros, and Tijuana.

The situation in Ciudad Juarez is of special concern. Mexican authorities report that more than 1,800 people have been killed in the city since January 2008. Additionally, this city of 1.6 million people experienced more than 17,000 car thefts and 1,650 carjackings in 2008. U.S. citizens should pay close attention to their surroundings while traveling in Ciudad Juarez, avoid isolated locations during late night and early morning hours, and remain alert to news reports. A recent series of muggings near the U.S. Consulate General in Ciudad Juarez targeted applicants for U.S. visas. Visa and other service seekers visiting the Consulate are encouraged to make arrangements to pay for those services using a non-cash method.

U.S. citizens are urged to be alert to safety and security concerns when visiting the border region. Criminals are armed with a wide array of sophisticated weapons. In some cases, assailants have worn full or partial police or military uniforms and have used vehicles that resemble police vehicles. While most crime victims are Mexican citizens, the uncertain security situation poses serious risks for U.S. citizens as well. U.S. citizen victims of crime in Mexico are urged to contact the consular section of the nearest U.S. consulate or Embassy for advice and assistance. Contact information is provided at the end of this message.
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/pa/pa_4491.html
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Travel in Mexico as not carefree and happy as it once was either - I love Mexico but I would not take my kids on a drive over the border --- the gang activity is spreading like crazy to this side of the border already ---

I belong to a family who is in law enforcement - with a particular specialty in border crime - I may be a bit more sensitive to this problem because I hear about and see the problem way more than most people but the fact is - ice chests with heads in them and tourists being killed and robbed is reality - There are lots of other tourist destinations that are not as risky.

Comparing the entire US to an alley in New Orleans is a stretch don't ya think?

The drug cartel violence is scattered throughout Mexico and includes resort areas - The violence is in affluent and poor areas making it difficult to eliminate areas based on violence alone.

I am certain that there are places where one is far less likely to be targeted by this kind of violence - however for me, the risks are too great.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 03:20 PM
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21. I never go to border towns - did I say that?
No, I said you have to use common sense. Part of that means reading up on where the violence is manifested (ala the state dept. report you posted). And part of it means avoiding those areas. I never drive into Mexico - there's nothing interesting to see or do anywhere near there, IMO.

And my point about comparing the US to New Orleans was to show how even typical Americans know that's a stupid comparison, but they have no problem comparing border town violence to the entire country of Mexico. Hell, here in Denver, there are shootings almost every weekend at some LoDo bar. But people still flock down there.

But do what you need to do, as will I.
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