Pastor invites parishioners to bring guns to church to celebrate Independence Day

[G_j]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5448142/Priest-invites-parishioners-to-bring-guns-to-church-to-celebrate-Independence-Day.html


Priest invites parishioners to bring guns to church to celebrate Independence Day

An American pastor has invited his parishioners to bring their guns to church to celebrate America's Independence Day, in a show of support for the right to bear arms.

By Leonard Doyle in Washington
Published: 1:05AM BST 05 Jun 2009

A former US Marine, Pastor Ken Pagano of New Bethel Church of Louisville, Kentucky said the church would celebrate the Fourth of July and "our rights as Americans".

Rev Pagano said he wanted responsible handgun owners to attend this service openly wearing their sidearm, on 27 June, the Saturday preceding Independence Day. The move would be symbolic, however: the firearms must be unloaded and in a secure holster. The priest said he would also invite gun shop owners to attend the service in order to tell about their services.

There would be patriotic music along with a presentation about the right of Americans to own firearms, including military-style automatic machine guns. Some gun advocates fear the Obama administration wants to ban the sale of automatic weapons.

Rev Pagano said guns must be unloaded and private security will check visitors. Recent church shootings make it necessary to promote safe gun ownership he said.

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[realisticphish]

1. Promote safe gun ownership by bringing them to church!

Nice.

[olegramps]

31. Will he bless the guns with holy water?

[mwooldri]

2. WTF?

I'd much prefer a display of the First Lady's right to well... bare arms than this. That's more disarming than any gun I know.

But still... this is crazy - guns in church? No no no.

[G_j]

5. my WTF? post for the day...

Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition
- Artist: Kay Kyser and His Orchestra
- words and music by Frank Loesser


Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition
And we'll all stay free

Praise the Lord and swing into position
Can't afford to be a politician
Praise the Lord, we're all between perdition
And the deep blue sea

Yes the sky pilot said it
Ya gotta give him credit
For a sonofagun of a gunner was he

Shouting Praise the Lord, we're on a mighty mission
All aboard, we ain't a-goin' fishin'
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition
And we'll all stay free

<instrumental interlude>

Praise the Lord (Praise the Lord) and pass the ammunition
Praise the Lord (Praise the Lord) and pass the ammunition
Praise the Lord (Praise the Lord) and pass the ammunition
And we'll all stay free

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition
And we'll all stay free


Transcribed by Ronald E. Hontz
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[kimmylavin]

11. Are you serious?

And no, nothing about this is common sense.

[G_j]

12. sure, guns and religious zealots mix so well!

:sarcasm:

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[G_j]

19. would 'quack' suffice? nt

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[olegramps]

32. I think that maybe you are lost

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. How touching. Let them bring 'em loaded and blow out some stained glass windows.

Where do these assholes come from?

[rurallib]

7. throw some of them hosty things in the air and see how many

can blow it to smithereens. That would be fun for all.
Can they bring AK47s and AR15s?

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[G_j]

16. but when another church's order conflicts with YOURS?

then one may be of the Devil, let's have a holy war!

:sarcasm:

[muntrv]

4. Hopefully, Cheney will show up. Maybe there will be fireworks in the church.

:evilgrin:

[WeDidIt]

6. What could POSSIBLY go wrong with THAT???

:silly:

[rurallib]

8. Add in a 'no limit on the communion wine' special. Wooooweee!

[Recursion]

9. Err... how many threads is DU going to devote to this?

And why does this freak everybody out so much?

:shrug:

[proud2BlibKansan]

25. Amazing you would even ask

And if you have to ask why this freaks folks out (especially in light of Tiller's assassination this week) I doubt there is an answer that will help you understand.

[Recursion]

28. Tiller might have lived if the church was not a gun-free zone NT

[proud2BlibKansan]

37. A shoot out in the church also could have killed some of those kids who witnessed the murder

I don't buy the armed citizens can prevent a murder argument. The bad guy has the element of surprise in his favor. I see even more innocents getting hurt or killed if there are more guns on the scene.

[Redneck Socialist]

13. OK, I like guns as much as the next guy...

and I have no problem with concealed carry in a church, but if I was the church going type I sure as hell wouldn't want to sit through a sales pitch.

"The priest said he would also invite gun shop owners to attend the service in order to tell about their services."

That's the real WTF part of this story.

[madrchsod]

14. i wonder what jesus would think of having guns blessed in his name?

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[YOY]

23. He also said "He who lives by the sword dies by the sword."

Are you so sure Jesus was talking about personal security and not say...overthrowing the Roman occupation?

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[YOY]

29. Cherry pick for you own personal justification much?

:eyes:

Because I think your interpretation seems to be rock solid in your opinion when the subject matter (biblical scripture) at hand is extremely subject to ANY meaning that one wants to pull from hit.

So "live by the sword..." was about mercenaries. Why would mercenaries come up after one of Jesus's followers defended him using force? Who the hell was talking about mercenaries? Jesus was a pacifist for the most part. Quoting scripture is cute and all but you have to know the general story going on at the time the quote happened. You know, the other quotes around the quote you use.

("...Give to Caesar what is Caesar's." you left out the second part "Give to God what is Gods." Providing that God exists and is omnipotent and incognizant ruler of the universe: What isn't God's? If it's God's then it isn't Cesar's. One could justify a freaking theological state with that kind of quote. It's kind of a cryptic statement. As are many things in the bible.

But personally I couldn't give a lesser shit what was said in a book written 2000 years ago loaded with non-demonstrable fact and cherry picked for whatever one's personal goals are.

We've got a second amendment. Fuck the bible. We don't live in Jesusland and the founding fathers were not evangelical Christians.

[RainDog]

33. what example do christians have?

Jesus forbade Peter when he wanted to attack the Roman soldiers who came to arrest Jesus.

the most important message that is attributed to Jesus (by people writing at least 100 years after his death, who had no direct knowledge of any event and who relied upon illiterate followers' oral tradition, fwiw) is the Sermon on the Mount.

What did Jesus say? Blessed are the peace makers.

Bless those who curse you.

Do not resist evil. Turn the other cheek.

The four gospels tell four very different stories, in fact, about Jesus. They claim different geneologies. They contradict one another.

that's because the bible is not a literal translation of anything Jesus said and the gospel writers changed their emphasis on the legend of Jesus to fit their own prejudices.

[YOY]

36. This guy reads single lines and not the whole passage.

Perfect for simple minds warping context. "Yeah...screw the back story...this one means X 'cause I need it to!!!"

Personally it's not important in my life...I just think it hilarious when someone takes a single line quote to support the most non-jesusy things...

[olegramps]

34. Why doth thou slither back from whence thou came?

[rwheeler31]

17. This is idiotic.

[Ilsa]

24. Can I come and witness about my American reproductive rights? nt

[spin]

26. In many states people carry firearms in churches...

and they're concealed and LOADED.

I have to admit that if I went to church (which would be a miracle in itself) I would carry a concealed revolver.

You just never know. The person you sit beside in church may just be "packing heat".

[RainDog]

30. when fascism comes to America it will be carrying a bible

Sinclair Lewis had the goods on the talibornagains long before Ronald Reagan's southern strategy.

[Recursion]

35. Except fascists disarm the people NT

[RainDog]

39. really?

what was the SS before Hitler assumed legal power? An armed faction of the extremist right in Germany.

[Recursion]

44. Well, that's the brownshirts

I was thinking more of how the second anti-Semitic law they forced through was to disarm all the Jews in Germany.

[Sebastian Doyle]

38. Mike Malloy is trying to get this assclown to call him tonight.

If he does, it should be as good as that call last week with the fool from Wasilla who was convinced the Antichrist would definitely be "a homosexual".

[Hepburn]

40. What a motherfucking idiot...

...and that is the best thing I can say about that pastor.

[aikoaiko]

41. Guns in church? No big whoop.

If they same people can carry a weapon openly into stores, the mall, movie theaters,etc. then why not church?

:shrug:

[G_j]

42. and gun shop owners telling "..about their services." ?

"The priest said he would also invite gun shop owners to attend the service in order to tell about their services."

they can do what they like, I just think they're insane.

[aikoaiko]

43. What exactly is "insane" about it?

Having local gun shop owners tell them about their services would mean things like gun safety classes, gun safes for purchase, ranges for practicing, proper gun maintenance, you know, all those things most people wish gun owners did more of.