Do you think the FBI should investigate Operation Rescue?

[Kievan Rus]

Do you think the FBI should investigate them because of Dr. Tiller's murder? This Roeder nutjob may have had some times to them...and there may be at least a case for incitement of violence from Operation Rescue. Dangerous, illegal speech which encourages violence has the potential to send nutcases over the edge and should not be tolerated.

[brendan120678]

1. I'm sure they've already got a thick file on the group. (nt)

[47of74]

17. They'll probably have to buy several more filing cabinets now

Just to hold all the stuff they learn about Operation Rescue and RimJob's group.

[WeDidIt]

2. ABSOLUTELY!!!

They covered up Roeder's activities on their site by taking it down and scrubbing it yesterday.

This indicates a potential for a connection.

[LadyHawkAZ]

3. Should have happened years ago

Brown, foreign terrorists made better Republican press, I guess.

[countmyvote4real]

4. Yes. n/t

[atreides1]

5. Based On?

If someone can show that there is a connection between the organization and Roeder, then yes.

But not based on the crap that spews from their mouths, unless it can be shown that it was directly responsible for Roeder doing what he did.

[WeDidIt]

7. He posted on their site and they scrubbed their site yesterday

That alone warrants some investigation.

And most likely, the investigation is currently underway.

[Dappleganger]

8. Yes, based on

the multiple postings by Roeder on their forum, in addition to their hyper-focus of harassing Dr. Tiller on a regular basis (which was also posted on their website).

[KittyWampus]

23. He had their senior adviser's phone number in his car when apprehended yesterday

She admits to communicating with him.

[RoadRage]

6. No.

Every group that supports or opposes a polarizing issue has fringe members that go "rouge" and do things that "technically" are not supported by the group itself, even if a wink and a nudge are given outside the official "realm".

Think of the PETA supporters that have tried to kill hunters or those who sell/wear Furs. Should PETA be investigated for all of those instances to see if the killer was a member? And then, if so - what?

What about the environmentalists that burn down SUV's in car dealership parking lots, and burn down almost completed sub-divisions because they disagree with McMansions.

My point is that both the left & right have groups that the other side would deem as "Fringe"... and those groups then have members that THEY would deem as "Fringe". You have to be fair to both sides - and investigate the perps.. not the groups they associate with who frankly are covered by "free speech" even if you disagree with that speech.

[Kievan Rus]

9. But does their speech ENCOURAGE violence?

If their speech actively encourages members to go out and commit violence, then it is illegal and not protected by the First Amendment. There may be some charges on incitement speech/clear and present danger that could possibly be made.

[T Wolf]

10. Bullshit. Just look at the "scorecard" of violence and it is obvious where the threat is.

I challenge you to identify ONE incident where a "leftish" cause was supported by the murder of a reich-winger.

Pouring blood on a fur coat does not equal blowing up a health clinic, no matter how hard you try to equate the two.

The few lefties who actually try to accomplish something are always meticulously careful to avoid "collateral damage" to people belonging to the enemy side. When there are casualties, it is accidental.

Any objective person looking at the messages, both "wink and a nudge" and blatant, can see the connection between the propaganda of the right and their logical consequences. Stop giving them cover for their crimes.

[Feron]

13. How about firebombing a researcher's home?

Animal rights fanatics aren't much different from anti-choicers.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/08/animal_rights_terrorists_firebomb_a_rese.php

[T Wolf]

15. Did anyone die, or even get hurt? No. Case closed.

[RoadRage]

18. OK..

so by that logic if you fire-bomb an abortion clinic, but no one is killed or gets hurt, it's totally OK? :eyes:

Look.. i'm not advocating EITHER - I think they're both wrong. I just see a lot of DUers who will protect one fringe while castrating another. My point is to be objective on both sides.. which is something that those on the right continue to FAIL to do.

[T Wolf]

21. You may not realize but you are asserting that there is no right or wrong. That everything

can be argued ala a debate - as if each side of an issue is equally correct and legitimate. That's the plague that Fux has foisted on the US.

And no - your example is bogus. Lefties have historically NOT targeted people but rather, institutions and facilities that are harmful.

Name a reigh-winger that has died. They all survive the attempts to take them out (Hitler, Raygun, Wallace, to name three).

Again I say - check out which side is losing this war. We are. Bobby, Martin, Malcom, the list goes on far too long.

[HelenWheels]

11. Free speech?

What about the FBI infiltration and investigation of peace oriented groups? What did they base these investigations on? And I do believe environmentalist groups have been investigated. I don't believe in the "rouge" argument. These killers are supported and abetted by the right wing anti-abortion groups. The should at least be infiltrated by underground FBI agents. Free speech ends when organizations openly encourage others to commit acts of violence.

[izquierdista]

14. Your no is a yes.

Every one of those cases can and should be investigated. Unless you just want to call up the receptionist and hear the secretary disavow any knowledge of their actions, and then be so gullible as to believe it. The only terrorist who kept his mouth shut and didn't associate with other people who knew of his actions was Ted Kaczynski, and he was caught because his brother thought he recognized the style of writing. Once people cross the line into violent, anti-social behavior, they need to be removed from the society that they so violently object to.

[RoadRage]

16. OK

Then I agree this should be investigated.. as long as EVERYONE on the fringe is looked into. Both Sides.. because the more we point fingers at them and say "They're the only ones who have fringe members" the less we look at ourselves.

But, I agree with you - neither should be tolerated!

[fascisthunter]

19. BULLSHIT Sophistry

religious extremist groups such as the one this piece of crap belongs to actively breeds the type of hatred for abortion and those that condone, practice and provide service for that leads to murder.

[flvegan]

24. Whoa whoa whoa...just a minute now. "...tried to kill hunters or those

who sell/wear furs." Enlighten me please as to these allegations against activists that also support PETA.

[RoadRage]

31. Eh..

Here are a couple of links. To be honest, I'm not really all that interested in who PETA associates with - I support 90% of what they do. And, I do believe that their "fringe" tactics normally involve them getting naked at an event verses trying to assasinate a doctor. So, I don't really want this to turn into an "I hate PETA" thread.

But, here are a couple of links to some of the more Fringe side of PETA.. again - my original intent was to show that most people on most issues aren't crazy wack-jobs.. but they can be found everywhere if searching. My in-laws are Pro-Life (or Anti-Choice for those who get really upset about terminology).. and they are the last people on earth who would ever think that assasinating an abortion doctor is good, benificial, etc.

Links:
http://www.eskimo.com/~rarnold/peta_fox.htm

http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/Ecoterrorism.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=4&item=eco

[flvegan]

35. So then you're full of shit.

You accuse them of murder, then say "meh, they have folks that get naked."

PETA is a 501c3 that has been well-investigated by the IRS for charges of terrorism to no avail. Charges set forth mainly because of the likes of knee-jerk judgmental assholes with an axe to grind.

[Ignis]

28. "PETA supporters that have tried to kill hunters"

Links? Support? Evidence?

Or does this just come from the Bumhole of Imaginary Facts? :shrug:

[frylock]

29. do you have DEFINITIVE proof that environmentalists have burned down SUV dealerships..

or nearly completed subdivisions, because I believe that those crimes have gone unsolved.

[RoadRage]

32. Nope..

Just a few articles on the internet...

http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/Ecoterrorism.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=4&item=eco

"Car dealerships and sport utility vehicles are also common targets for ELF. On August 22, 2003, approximately 40 Hummers and SUVs were destroyed or damaged in a fire at a West Covina, California, dealership, causing about $2 million in damages. "Fat Lazy Americans" and "ELF" were among slogans painted on the vehicles. The movement has taken credit for vandalizing SUVs in dozens of other cities. At an auto dealership in Erie, Pennsylvania, for instance, jugs of gasoline were ignited under three vehicles, engulfing them and a nearby car in flames. ELF said the dealership was targeted "to remove the profit motive from the killing of the natural environment."

And earlier in the article it states:

"Before it established a press office in the U.S., ALF activities were frequently publicized by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), a Norfolk, Virginia-based animal rights organization whose controversial advertisement campaigns have generated substantial publicity since the group's founding in 1980. PETA has openly supported ALF: in 1995, the organization gave $45,200 to the legal defense of Rod Coronado, while co-founder Ingrid Newkirk applauds ALF's efforts in two of her books."

Truth be told - my point here is not to make PETA or ELF out to be a huge "bad guy".. 90% of what PETA does is great IMO. My point is just because someone has an opinion doesn't automatically make them a demon. You can be "anti-choice" and still not agree that killing a doctor is a good thing to do. Conversely - we on the left sometimes forget that there are a few fringe groups on our side as well.

[BuyingThyme]

12. I think they should sell them fake anthrax.

[Hepburn]

20. Should have a loooooooong time ago....

...and maybe if they had, Dr. Tiller would be alive today.

JMHO

[earth mom]

22. HELL YES. Those nutcases need to be watched. nt

[flvegan]

25. The Army of God is a better target.

[bdamomma]

33. they sound dangerous too.

[madrchsod]

26. the fbi have been watching these guys for years

they are number one or two on the list of domestic terrorist organizations. the other is the violent environmental groups.

[Ilsa]

27. Thoroughly. Absolutely. nt

[spanone]

30. right after they have a talk with mr. o'reilly

this is scary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nawutUmrGOw


i would suggest that this is perhaps an abuse of constitutional rights....

[proud patriot]

34. Yes !

I do

[ellie]

36. Yes.