Here's what frustrates me the MOST about rabid "Pro-lifers",

[FlyingSquirrel]

and in general ALL those religious fundamentalists who attack abortion rights, gay rights, etc.

On chargetiller.com, here's Scott Roeder's comment:

(why he would be so stupid as to use his real name, I have no clue)

Scott Roeder
Mon September 03, 2007, 09:49:40

It seems as though what is happening in Kansas could be compared to the "lawlessness" which is spoken of in the Bible. Tiller is the concentration camp "Mengele" of our day and needs to be stopped before he and those who protect him bring judgement upon our nation.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5755761#5755817">preceding info thanks to pkdu

Key words: "Bring judgement (sic) upon our nation".

These people purposely BLIND themselves to the fact that somehow, this "judgement" has not been brought upon other nations (that would be most of them) who do not seek to make abortion illegal, and who are more tolerant of gay people - extending them the same rights as heterosexual people.

Perhaps their reasoning (if you could call it that) is that God is just waiting for the right moment, and when they succeed in ridding this nation of its evils, he will smite the rest of the world.

Yeah, yeah that's it. That's the ticket.

[rustydog]

1. These sick bastards forget that GOD Judges and administers

punishment to sinners, not mortal men.
Judge not lest you be judged.

I heard that last line somewhere...

[FlyingSquirrel]

2. Judge not, period.

That's my take on that phrase. It works better for me. Actually I like the Native American one - "You should not judge a man until you have first walked in his moccasins." On the other hand, I've never walked in the moccasins of these religious fundamentalists. Crap, I've talked myself into a corner!

:crazy:

[parasim]

3. What frustrates me most about them is...

they say they are following the bible's teachings on this issue, yet there is not one reference to abortion in the bible.

The only reference that comes close is described in this excellent article:

What Does the Bible Say About Abortion?

"Absolutely nothing! The word "abortion" does not appear in any translation of the bible!

Out of more than 600 laws of Moses, none comments on abortion. One Mosaic law about miscarriage specifically contradicts the claim that the bible is antiabortion, clearly stating that miscarriage does not involve the death of a human being. If a woman has a miscarriage as the result of a fight, the man who caused it should be fined. If the woman dies, however, the culprit must be killed:

"If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

"And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth . . ."--Ex. 21:22-25

The bible orders the death penalty for murder of a human being, but not for the expulsion of a fetus.

http://www.ffrf.org/nontracts/abortion.php


They always argue that live begins at conception, yet the only reference to when life begins in the bible is pointed out in that same article:

-snip

According to the bible, life begins at birth--when a baby draws its first breath. The bible defines life as "breath" in several significant passages, including the story of Adam's creation in Genesis 2:7, when God "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Jewish law traditionally considers that personhood begins at birth.

Desperate for a biblical basis for their beliefs, some antiabortionists cite obscure passages, usually metaphors or poetic phrasing, such as: "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me." Psalm 51:5 This is sexist, but does nothing other than to invoke original sin. It says nothing about abortion.

The Commandments, Moses, Jesus and Paul ignored every chance to condemn abortion. If abortion was an important concern, why didn't the bible say so?

-snip

[mdavies013]

4. What frustrates me most is the majority of churches fighting abortion never put their money where...

their rhetoric is. They don't provide assistance with daycare, groceries, after school activities. They don't help mentor a family. They fall into the GOP trap...have the baby and forget about it.

The majority have not:

1) Fostered
2) Adopted
3) Mentored a child

In our personal lives, my wife and I made a CHOICE to be responsible and discuss what would happen if we ever got pregnant. We are a committed couple. People often fail to realize that oftentimes women feel they are in a committed relationship until they find out they are pregnant. They don't have the resources to raise a child on their own. The problem I see is that the pro-lifers don't work toward providing these resources...they just seek a total ban...and then some of the more rabid followers resort to killing (please explain that logic...you're supposed to be pro-life...and you are killing people).

[mdavies013]

5. BTW...we have fostered, adopted and mentored children.

[sandnsea]

6. Religion is for personal salvation

and not to be inflicted on anybody else. That's the key problem with every religion in the world. They don't even know what the hell they're supposed to be practicing.