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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 09:47 PM
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Ahhhnuld slashing welfare for 500,000 families and yanking health care for 1 million children....
It's getting ugly in the Golden State :scared:



AP via Yahoo:



Schwarzenegger details $5.5B more cuts to budget
By SAMANTHA YOUNG, Associated Press Writer


SACRAMENTO, Calif. – Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Tuesday proposed eliminating welfare for 500,000 families and terminating health coverage for nearly 1 million children to help close the state's ballooning budget deficit.

The Republican governor's administration released details of $5.5 billion in cuts, a week after state voters defeated special election ballot measures. The new proposals are on top of those previously announced by Schwarzenegger.

Also among the cuts are stops to college fee assistance for thousands of students, fewer vocational training opportunities for state inmates and the elimination of $70 million in funds for the state park system.

The state is trying to close a $21 billion deficit, although the Schwarzenegger administration said Tuesday that its proposed budget for the 2009-10 fiscal year was outdated. The governor's finance team said the deficit now was projected to grow to $24.3 billion through June 2010.

The revised budget now includes borrowing from local governments that will have to be repaid and consolidating state boards and commissions. The administration wants to eliminate a welfare-to-work program that provides more than 500,000 families, saving $1.3 billion but forgoing $4.2 billion in federal matching funds. ..........(more)

The complete piece is at: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090527/ap_on_re_us/us_california_budget




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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 09:51 PM
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1. If he's cutting childrens health care
Shouldnt that mean the state is no longer allowed to keep the SCHIP tobacco tax, and that the SCHIP tax in the state cannot be collected?
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 09:54 PM
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2. Raising taxes on these people is out of the question?
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cagesoulman Donating Member (648 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 09:55 PM
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3. The poor don't finance election campaigns.
I wonder how many Californians are moving out.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 09:58 PM
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4. The publicans have been fighting this for evah, and has become the
white elephant in the room.

The repigs are a minority but run the state... the true tyranny of the minority

And here is the kind of morons in our state legislature.

I talked to a state senator, he is a repig... he didn't actually know his salary came from my taxes. He wants to cut them down to zero. SO I calmly asked, where do you think your salary comes from? The magic faerie in the sky? I am not shitting you.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 12:29 AM
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19. about 91 people with $229.9 billion between them. & i'd guess more than that
Edited on Wed May-27-09 12:32 AM by Hannah Bell
hidden.

for example, i don't believe charlie munger (warren buffett's partner from day one) has only a mere $1.5 billion.

Currently they have an average of $2.52 billion each.

If you took $5 billion from the group proportionally, they'd have an average of $2.47 billion each.

Wotta hardship.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 09:59 PM
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5. He warned us this was coming... and truth be told, the fault is not with him
he's tried... but with his radical party in the legislature that is keeping the state hostage.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 10:55 PM
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6. Goodbye California GOP.

If this insanity is allowed to pass I can't imagine that Arnold or the GOP will be there past the next election cycle.

What will their spin be? "Yes we fucked up, but it is really Clinton's fault?"
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 11:04 PM
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8. come on... this is politics 101.
always shoot for the hot button issues.

can't get that tax passed? always threaten to reduce police, firefighters or assistance.

who knows? maybe califorians will now step up and actually pay the taxes necessary to support their expenditures, and get their asses out of this mess they themselves created.

let's hope so...

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 11:13 PM
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9. Of course this is politics 101, except that this is not threatening
this is coming down the pike.

Republicans will not budge in the legislature, and to a point neither will dems. We need to really make sure they understand where their pay checks are coming from, and the first place to cut in my view is their pay. ALL OF THEM... starting wit the government and ending with every little staffer in the house and senate.

Serious, I actually had a republican tell me that his pay didn't come from my taxes... useless piece of crap!
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 11:56 PM
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16. california is into a major mess about your responsibility...
and california is going to have to step up to this problem and deal with it.

the representatives, as you say, all of them.

and the people of california too.

california has a budget to take care of and has enacted many great programs that now need to be funded. so fund them. and don't expect the smokers or the poor to carry this burden. ALL californians must shoulder this responsibility.

you people with property. you people that make money. it is up to you to step up and fix this thing.

if you believe in what your state has enacted into law, them step up and pay for it. find a way.

you can do it. i believe in you...


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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 11:06 AM
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27. You can't until you get rid of the anarchists, aka GOP
from government. What is their solution? CUT TAXES to ZERO!

The people don't mind higher taxes according to state wide polls, it is the REPIGS who are holding this... and to a point the dems. THere are programs that probably should be revised, if you get my drift.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 11:00 PM
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7. I disagree. People warned that with The Great Aryan Hope as governor he'd look the ...
... other way when the CA GOP used him in the governor's mansion to implement their fringe policies.

He can try to revise history, but it won't work.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 11:16 PM
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10. He is not trying to revise history
he had the public beat him in that first special election. After that HE moderated his views... but the radicals in the house and senate have not...

And I will include the radio jocks like Praeger.

They are HOPING california fails, serious. I have been told this by a straight faced State Senator, who is also fucking clueless as to where his pay comes from. I guess the money faerie does visit him every pay period.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 12:35 AM
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20. baloney, "he moderated his policies". plausible deniability, that's it.
arnold dances with them who brung him.

he's always been a nazi except for pot & sex.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 02:29 AM
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22. He only moderated his language, not his views.
The Great Aryan Hope did everything he could to insure that the plan designed and implemented by his bosses in the GOP would damage California.

We're hurt, but we're not done yet.

The GOP underestimates Californians.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 11:01 AM
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24. Yep, that is why good republicans have called him RINO
look he's moderated his views... whether you like it or not.

Now the clueless idiots in the house and senate have not. I've talked to a few... including a state senator here at a local coffee shop. He wants to have ZERO taxes. Chew on that.

Then you tell me that Arnold is that much of a radical, when compared to this anarchist.

Would I have rather not have had the recall? Yep, but it did happen, and overall it could be far worst than it has


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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 08:36 PM
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34. Maybe I wasn't clear. First off: talk is cheap.
He is doing what all GOPers do: talk their way out of a discrepancy between their ideology and public opinion.

He's just as much a GOPer as Pete Wilson.

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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 11:48 PM
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15. Leave the kids and poor alone. They should cut the pork in alot of these
Edited on Tue May-26-09 11:49 PM by avaistheone1
government agencies in California. When do they ever streamline operations?
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 12:07 AM
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18. Are you kidding? CA subsidizes hugely profitable, multinational corporations with
"competitiveness grants", subsidizes hugely profitable agri-corps in order for them to strangle small farmers around the world, and demands nothing from its billionaires in the way of taxes, all on the backs of the poor and working class idiots that keep sending the same criminals back to their offices every 2 or 6 years.

At some point it comes down to the stupidity of the voters.

What was Dianne Feinstein's net worth when she was first elected to the SF city council? What was Nancy Pelosi's when she was first elected?


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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 11:31 PM
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11. I thought the kids' care was paid for with those massive smoke taxes. WTF!
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 12:39 AM
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21. bait, switch. smokers tend to be poorer than average, like kids whose parents
can't get health care.

the tax $ will subsidize low prop taxes for billionaires & yuppies.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 11:32 PM
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12. It's always on the backs of the poor.
We're in for hard times here.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 11:39 PM
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13. Obama will rescue them with a bailout...no choice...logical and compassionate
Arnie should implemtent Pot parlors licences and tax them for pot use....and release small time pot offenders...save another 4 billion in penal systems....
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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 02:15 PM
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31. I hope not....
Myself and plenty of Americans are tired of all the bailouts, when we start bailing out state governments thats a whole new level of ridiculousness.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 02:19 PM
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32. Actually, it's called "federalism"
and it's what republics are supposed to do.
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:42 PM
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35. Says someone from a state that's been given preferential treatment by the Federal government...
...for the past 8 years.

In 2005 CA got back $0.78 for every dollar we paid in federal taxes while Texas got $0.94. That $0.16 difference multiplied by the $289 billion we paid in federal taxes in '05 would have amounted to an extra $46 BILLION in that year alone. And we've been screwed like this for decades. If you look at the charts* that number has been steadily decreasing every year since 1994 so who knows what it's at now. You can probably take at least another cent or two off for 2008.

Even if we only got back an extra 5 cents on the dollar for the past 8 years, and if we only averaged $200 billion a year in federal taxes paid, that would add up to $80 BILLION. The rest of the country has been short changing CA for far too long. If we had been given the same benefits as Texas over the past 8 years, and paid say $200 billion a year, the difference alone would be $256 billion extra for our state.

*http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/22685.html
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 11:46 PM
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14. HEY AHNUULD! TAX THE MARIJUANA YOU IDIOT!!
This CA native sez: WE CAN'T AFFORD THE GODDAMNED DRUG WAR ANYMORE!

LEGALIZE IT! TAX IT! Cripes that's an easy billion right there -- and that's just from UCSC campus!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 11:02 AM
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25. He said he was considering it
so there... which is more than anybody else has said
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 11:58 PM
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17. Now for the real question, will they just sit an their asses and take it, or will they take it
to the parasites that brought them here?

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 11:04 AM
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26. i am betting on the former, until it affects the middle class that votes
GOP consistently every two to six years.. the log jam in Sacramento will not be broken.

It is a MINORITY in Sacramento holding off what needs to be done... RAISE THE FUCKING TAXES
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:04 AM
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23. K&R
:kick:
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4_TN_TITANS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 11:47 AM
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28. This strikes me as the perfect way to hasten
the call to martial law. That many people who can't find a job or get help from the government are going to get violent quick. Might as well allocate more prison money while he's at it.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 01:59 PM
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29. They are going to let out over 50K prisoners early
lack of money

This is what the radicals in Sacramento want... wish people GOT IT.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 02:06 PM
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30. Has the recall started yet?
Enron managed to get Gray Davis fired.

Why don't the people fire Steroid-Boy?
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 02:22 PM
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33. but he Won't Raise Taxes on the already fat and wealthy
warped
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