Did you see Brian Ross on ABC just now?

[OneGrassRoot]

Special report about "proof" that US has been funding guerilla groups in Pakistan which are going over the border to Iran with the goal of destabilizing Iran.

Isn't that huge for that to be said on MSM?

Also, my daughter just asked if any previous dem administrations did this sort of thing. We know about Reagan and Bush I. I didn't search yet, as I wanted to post this, but no dem admin/CIA covert regime-toppling schemes come to mind.

[SpiralHawk]

1. "I did not have Black Ops with those A-rabs, Eye-ranians." - Commander AWOL

"I mean, that's the kind of low, evil, immoral, illegal shit you would only get from, say, a Connecticut preppy cheerleader deserter who belonged to a darkside, occult cabal of fatcat
cronies, or something."

- Commander AWOL, Skull & Boner Brigade of National Guard Deserters

[ORDagnabbit]

2. er...kennedy and cuba come to mind

[peacetalksforall]

13. Read up. Kennedy entered office when terrorist acts and plans were

already under way by the CIA with newly recruited Cuban fanatics who were taught terrorism by the CIA.

The CIA presented him with a plan that sounded a lot like Iraq lies. Said the Cubans would rise up and help them take back Cuba (for Batistas, the Mafia, corporations, and the CIA). The intelligence was either horribly wrong or concocted to get Kennedy to approve the plan. Edited to add - he didn't support the effort further. Some say he lost faith - saw the light. He was hated by the CIA and Cuban-Americans for the rest of his life. (And many Cuban-Americans hated Democrats for the rest of their lives.)

The invasion failed. Big time. Death and capture.

Check Ted Kennedy and his successful efforts to get the last of the prisoners released several years later.

Parallel and Similarities to Iraq.

Chalabi <> hysterical Cuban-Americans employees and (contractors?)- ('exiled' for different reasons)
Lies - The people will rise up and support the invasion.
Tactics - Invasion by air
Familiar words - Regime change
Lies - It will be over very quickly with the minimum of casualties.

Dis-similarities -
Cuba - planned and carried out by CIA
Iraq - planned and carried out by DOD with DIA and corporations

Kennedy entered office trusting the CIA - Bay of Pigs.
Janet Reno and Clinton entered office trusting the FBI - Waco.

Read up about the Mafia in Cuba.

Then check out the contributions of the Mafia and Cuban-Americans in the intelligence and more regarding the Kennedy assassinations.

Cuba under Batista (pre-Castro) was a wonderful place to be for the CIA and Mafia - slightly corrupt, hmmm.

[Fresh_Start]

3. Reagan and Bush I were not the only administrations to fund

'freedom fighters in afghanistan'. So yes, Dem administrations have done so.

[John Q. Citizen]

6. Yes, it started with Carter.

[The empressof all]

19. Just curious

What is your source for that opinion?

[Fresh_Start]

20. I read that the strategy came from Brezinski and Casey

and that Reagan admin continued it.

[John Q. Citizen]

21. Brezinski. I think it was in his book. I didn't read his book, but I did

read about it here on DU!

As he explains it, they contrieved to suck the Soviets into their own "Vietnam."

The US funded the Moslim insurgency in Afghanistan via the Pakistani ISI, starting during the Carter Admin.

[The empressof all]

22. Yes I see

Small teams went in initially under Carter to gather intellegence on the Russians and encourage their itheir defeat. Reagan rachetted up operations when he came into office.

[John Q. Citizen]

23. According to Brzezinski, the Russians hadn't yet invaded when the US started providing

aid to the Mujahadeen in July of 1979(through our conduit, the Pakistani ISI) to fight and to destabilize the pro-Soviet Afghan regime. The aid included money to send fighters and money for arms.

It was this effort which purposely helped provoke the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan.

And the rest, as they say, is history.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html

[OneGrassRoot]

4. Clarification: I put "proof" in quotation marks because I missed

some of his report as I was yelling for my daughter to get in the room and see this. I didn't get all the details. Sorry.

[yourout]

5. Somewere behind this are the usual candidates.....

Iran Contra part 2.

[OneGrassRoot]

7. Here's a much more informative link about this ABC report

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x569943

[SoCalDem]

8. Unfortunately EVERY president uses 'dirty-tricks'.. It sucks, but they all do it.

There's something about naked power..Most people cannot resist it, and when presidents think they can get away with it, and everyone around them tells them they "need' to do it, I don't think political party matters at all..

[indepat]

9. If true would seem to be tantamount to state-sponsored terrorist attacks

[Poiuyt]

12. Kind of ironic, isn't it?

I assume this means we'll have to invade ourselves

[OneGrassRoot]

10. Okay, so I was a dumbass....

I, sadly, assume every administration does such things, but no dems came to mind in the 30 seconds between her question and me posting the OP.

I just thought it was significant, especially given the discussion of late spurred by Rosie O'Donnell regarding "Gulf of Tonkin," and the crazies denying that our government would ever interfere in such a nefarious way.

I know, I know....everyone has short memories.

Yes, I think it's Iran Contra Part 2 as well.




(edited stupid autotext typo...lol)

[mr_hat]

11. Wanna bet they're just taking our cash and laughing at us?

Couple hookahs, some Turkish coffee, we all go home.

[Lusted4]

14. Delete

[KoKo]

15. We've has SO FEW DEM Presidents....maybe you should give your

daughter of Howard Zinn's "America in the 21st Century" to read. As to what we are and have been up against. Good to see you have daughter with "Inquiring Mind." :toast:

[KoKo]

16. We've has SO FEW DEM Presidents....maybe you should give your

daughter of Howard Zinn's "America in the 21st Century" to read. As to what we are and have been up against. Good to see you have daughter with "Inquiring Mind." :toast:

[Straight Shooter]

17. I guess the real question is, what is the goal of funding such groups?

In the case of the bush administration, we can be fairly certain it's to agitate the Iranians into a confrontation leading to a war between Iran and the U.S. The Iranians aren't so stupid as to think the Pakistanis are doing this all by their little ol' selves.

When it comes to funding operatives such as these guerilla groups, consider their agenda and the ultimate outcome targeted, and then determine if the Repub administrations were more heinous than the Dem administrations by supporting such actions. (I don't know, I'm not well versed in political history.)

[OneGrassRoot]

18. Good question. I think this is shaping up to be a perfect school

research project for my daughter. :)