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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 03:51 PM
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Accused Palin Hacker Says Stolen E-Mails Were Public Record
A surprise legal maneuver by the defense in the Sarah Palin hacking case could undermine key charges carrying the stiffest potential penalties.

A lawyer for the Tennessee college student charged with hacking into the Alaska governor’s Yahoo e-mail account last year says his client couldn’t have violated Palin’s privacy because a judge had already declared her e-mails a matter of public record.

“He’s not suggesting that e-mail can’t be private,” says Mark Rasch, a former Justice Department cybercrime prosecutor. “He’s saying this particular e-mail was not private or personal because of who she is and because it wasn’t intimate communication. ”

Additionally, photos that 20-year-old David Kernell allegedly obtained of Palin and her family were not private since the Palins are “the subjects of untold numbers of photo-ops,” the lawyer argued last week, in one of a slew of motions and memorandums attacking the government’s four-count federal indictment against Kernell.
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Davies, however, says the Tennessee law is improperly invoked, and Palin isn’t entitled to privacy protection.

Tennessee, he says, only recognizes an invasion of privacy when the invasion exposes something that is inherently private, and the victim was placed in a false light by the invasion. But Palin wasn’t placed in a false light by the alleged hack, and her privacy wasn’t invaded since “an Alaska court has issued an order requiring Ms. Palin to preserve the correspondence in her private e-mail accounts on the grounds that the e-mails are public records.”
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Davies implies in his motion to dismiss that there are reasonable grounds to conclude that Palin’s Yahoo correspondence was a public record, and cites case law showing that information that already appears on the public record can’t be considered private.

As for photos of Palin and family members that Kernell allegedly obtained from the account, Davies says there’s no expectation of privacy for the images, because the people depicted in the photos “continue to regularly and voluntarily appear in the national media.”

Without the privacy violation, the government has no felony case, Davies argues. Therefore he wants the charge reduced to a misdemeanor.
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Rasch says that although the alleged public-records status of the e-mail doesn’t give anyone the right to break into the account, “it would be very difficult for to allege a breach of privacy” if the e-mail is a public record.

He also says that in order to prove a privacy interest in the e-mails, the government would have to share the contents of the e-mails. “I don’t see how they could prosecute the case without doing it,” he says. “Those are the exhibits. They can ask the court to submit them under seal, but how do I as a juror decide if there was an invasion of privacy if I don’t know what he looked at?”
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/palin-hack/

Interesting argument.


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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 03:55 PM
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1. Bogus argument, and one that doesn't hold water. nt
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 04:00 PM
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2. Excellent counter-argument! n/t
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 04:08 PM
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4. It doesn't need a counter-argument.
It's patently false based on existing law. The fact that there are photos of me that are publicly available doesn't make private photos any less private, let alone emails. It's like a burglar claiming that my TV really wasn't my property because you can buy a similar one at Walmart.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 03:05 PM
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7. You do know that TVs have unique serial numbers, right? n/t
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 08:49 AM
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11. Personal emails are unique too.
You'd have to be either a moron or deliberately looking for a reason to excuse this guy in order to buy this.

He committed a crime. Period. He's probably going to go to jail for it.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 04:01 PM
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3. He's going for Jury Nullification, IMHO. I blame Crane, Poole & Schmidt. n/t
Edited on Thu May-21-09 04:01 PM by Ian David
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 04:22 PM
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5. Interesting, but it won't get him very far.
Presidential documents are public records too. Try breaking into the White House and see how far that argument gets you.

The other half of his problem, of course, is that the judge in that case ordered them preserved as evidence in that other case because they might be public records. They were never declared public records, and AFAIK that case still hasn't been resolved. Even if the state related messages ARE declared public, he's still going to have a problem. The judge isn't going to declare private personal messages to be public simply because they were in the same mailbox, so if this guy accessed even a SINGLE personal message among THOUSANDS of public ones, the charge will stand. Private messages sent through a private account aren't public record, even if you're the governor.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 06:26 PM
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6. K&R
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 03:07 PM
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8. I agree, just like Bush's emails are part of the pubic record.
They all still shoudl be made public.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 03:15 PM
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9. Her emails--as governor--are part of the public record ...
... regardless which account she chose to use.

She cannot hide the state's business behind a Yahoo! account.

The kid may have committed a crime by hacking into it (personally I don't think he did, but that is still yet to be determined), but it helped uncover her greater crime of trying to hide public business from the public.

She seems to have a problem understanding what an elected official is allowed to do (e.g. accepting money to live at her private residence instead of the governor's mansion).

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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 08:52 AM
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12. Excuse me, but that logic is basically the same as defending torture.
Hacking into someone's personal email is a crime. You can't justify it by saying, "But look at this much much worse thing that we uncovered!"

Torture is a crime. You can't justify it by saying, "But look at this much much worse thing that we uncovered!"

In both cases, even if the thing uncovered really is a crime, it doesn't make the original transgression go away. And worse, anything uncovered by such means is the fruit of a poisoned tree, and thus can never be used in court.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 03:16 PM
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10. Oh, and welcome to DU! n/t
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Trocadero Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 09:41 AM
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13. She was using her government email address, paid for by tax dollars
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