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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 01:39 PM Original message |
Grab your Tinfoil Hats... |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
1. I think you give him/them way too much credit. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. And too much credit to the influence of his grandfather also. nt |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Keyser Söze |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
26. I'm with you |
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kimmerspixelated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #26 |
47. Exactly, the PNAC comes to mind. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. Exactly. Bushco would have had the same effect on a hospitalized patient |
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woofless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
20. Agreed, and in any case |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. as funny as that is, |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
31. I think W was successful |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #31 |
52. They can't meet 35mpg without electric cars in the mix. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #52 |
80. Sometimes I wonder if GM isn't making |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
37. It doesn't take much talent to ruin things. |
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Beam Me Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
38. How did they "fail"? |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. Most notably, the quagmire that is Iraq. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 01:19 AM Response to Reply #46 |
68. The building of the giant bunker embassy didn't clue you in? |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
41. I'll second that. |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
3. Bleeding the Beast |
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napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
42. If that's the case, they have foreign operatives on their side too. |
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SalviaBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
4. Well, the Cons wanted to shrink the government |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
5. As an aside: isn't it theorized that a plane was supposed hit the WH on 9/11? |
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The Hope Mobile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Who proposed that theory? nt |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Considering the gazillion different sources on the subject, I have no idea. However... |
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The Hope Mobile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
32. I hadn't heard that though I don't entirely rule it out but I think that |
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Tutankhamun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 10:11 PM Response to Reply #32 |
63. Bin Laden would rather have Bush alive to help destroy the USA. |
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The Hope Mobile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 09:42 AM Response to Reply #63 |
74. I still think they were in partnership on 9/11. I think that's why |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
75. When the planes were grounded, all the plots that had not yet been brought to fruition |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 11:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
66. There were reports of the DC Mall burning that day |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
7. I'm no conpsiracy theorist, |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. you said it all right here: |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. Somewhere along the way there should have been "stops"....but there weren't. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. I think there's a fairly simple conclusion drawn if one connects obvious dots |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #28 |
54. Given the McCorporate Media we've had for a couple of Decades...it's no wonder |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
36. Good one- in the meantime Dick must have realized that he didn't destroy something |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
9. Never assume malice when incompetence will suffice. nt |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. The notion that powerful people with convergent interests don't collude or act in malice is absurd |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I wouldn't attribute incompetence to the instances of them successfully accomplishing their agenda. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. They've made it clear they don't care about their party, so it doesn't constitute incompetence |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. They only made that clear after the "Permanent Republican Majority" fell apart |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Perhaps. Although I doubt that various outcomes weren't considered/weighed early on |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. It's certainly possible. nt |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #27 |
44. You're hung up on the fallacy that "Party" makes a difference. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. "Bipartisan = A larger than usual deception is being carried out against the American populace." |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. you're saying their incompetence lead to |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. "KBR contracts" are a drop in the bucket when it comes to military spending. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 02:57 AM Response to Reply #25 |
71. Government Contracting Under the Bush Administration |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 11:15 PM Response to Reply #9 |
67. What about incompetence by design? n/t |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #67 |
78. "Incompetence" as a strategic ruse, and hence quickly adopted by M$M |
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Glorfindel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
11. No tinfoil required...many people think exactly as you do |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. !! |
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kjackson227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
14. Well, considering the crime family that Bush comes from... |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. another great link. thank you! |
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global1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
23. And It Really Didn't Take A Lot of Genius Here....... |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
33. Interesting thought. I think the incompetence meme is both wrong and dangerous |
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Beam Me Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 03:46 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. I agree totally. n/t |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. this statement alone is monumental: |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
34. They were turning the US into a Corporate Fascist State. |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. the internet, thus far, has proven to be the silent assassin. |
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kimmerspixelated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #34 |
48. But it's hard to destroy |
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NRaleighLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
35. If he went from a success to a presidential failure, I would agree - but all through life he had the |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #35 |
51. As President he was only the figurehead |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 02:38 AM Response to Reply #51 |
69. The connections go further back than that: |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 02:45 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Nother thing I wonder about: all George I's sons married "beneath them", |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #35 |
60. So how did Shit Midas achieve the most powerful position on Earth? |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
49. Means, motive, opportunity...all there |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
50. Bush et al. are true believers |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
53. Been saying this for years, Brice. |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
55. Bush and his PNACers and NEOCONs took America for a ride down the tubes. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. And..."Shock & Awe".. "Stolen Election, 9/11, Invade Iraq/Afghanistan/Kill Bad Guys/ |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 08:21 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Them guys are EVIL ...there is no other EXPLANATION....They are the PERSONIFICATION of EVIL |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 09:49 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. And...down the memory hole is where the MSM want's them to go.... |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
57. destabilizing the middle east was part of that |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 08:38 PM Response to Original message |
59. I've posted about this many times in the past. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
61. Deleted message |
bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
64. Yup, Starving The Beast is still part of their fiscal policy |
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live love laugh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
65. "I think Bush was purposely trying to run the country into the ground." DUH |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
72. Reading the responses on this thread is educational |
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Badgerman (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 08:10 AM Response to Original message |
73. If true then why isObama shielding them? just asking. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Maybe because possibly he is not any better. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
77. Excellent Points. Tkx. :-) nt |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
79. You're on the right track, but Bush may just have been a useful idiot |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 06:54 AM Response to Original message |
81. Destroy Democracy around the world while yelping its name. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 07:09 AM Response to Original message |
82. Bush was sticking up for his ruling class. |
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