What are the chances the CIA lied? Looks like Pelosi has got a solid case:

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Counter -- drip, drip, drip ...

By Josh Marshall

I was out of the office and offline for most of the day at a graduation event. So I'm just coming on now. But for those of you following the Pelosi story, over at TPMmuckraker Zack Roth has a series of posts raising more and more questions about whether Nancy Pelosi was really told any of this stuff.

From TPMmuckraker:

Another Lawmaker Points To An Error In CIA Briefings Doc

UPDATED: Source: "EIT" Term Wasn't In Use When Pelosi Was Briefed (check out the document http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8397935&mesg_id=8397935">here)

Lawmaker: CIA Already Being Probed For Misleading Congress

CIA: Like We Said Before, Briefing Document Could Be Wrong

Hoekstra: It's Wrong To Call CIA Liars -- Except When I Do It

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1. Anyone who still believes the CIA over Pelosi at this point...

likely has an axe to grind.

[Sequoia]

I'm more inclidne to believe the CIA lied at this point.

Just go to wayback machine in Iran of the 1950s for starters and how the CIA helped overthrow the elected prez because god forbid he wanted to nationalize oil.

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3. Or simply ignore it. n/t

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4. True.

It's easy to keep the same stance on an issue if one ignores any new information.

[liberalmuse]

2. The CIA has zero credibility.

I'd believe Pelosi over ANYONE who ever served under Bush/Cheney, because there isn't a single moral amongst the bunch.

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5. Thank you. The overwhelming proof all in one post. k+r, n/t

[ProSense]

6. The Repubs never learn.

They tried to go after Pelosi on Syria, and it backfired.

They tried to nail her on her floor statement about Bush and the economic crisis, and Boehner wound up in tears.

They need to come to grips with losing.

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9. They need to come to grips with the fact that there are powerful women out there.

And they're not as obedient as their Queen Sarah.

[dgibby]

7. Better yet, what are the chances the CIA DIDN'T lie?

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8. Previously from Hoekstra:

Hoekstra has gone way further than that. Why aren't the destroyed CIA torture/interrogation tapes mentioned? On that subject, Hoekstra accused the CIA of lying about briefing him. I don't know why nobody brings this up.

NY Times 12/07/07

In his statement, General Hayden said leaders of Congressional oversight committees had been fully briefed about the existence of the tapes and told in advance of the decision to destroy them. But the two top members of the House Intelligence Committee in 2005 said Thursday that they had not been notified in advance of the decision to destroy the tapes.

A spokesman for Representative Peter Hoekstra, Republican of Michigan, who was the committee’s chairman between 2004 and 2006, said that Mr. Hoekstra was “never briefed or advised that these tapes existed, or that they were going to be destroyed.”

The spokesman, Jamal Ware, also said that Mr. Hoekstra “absolutely believes that the full committee should have been informed and consulted before the C.I.A. did anything with the tapes.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/07/washington/07intel.html?_r=1

Hoekstra and others are making the case that its outrageous to say the CIA lied. But in Hoekstra's case, he did the same thing, and on the same subject of receiving briefings, with briefings related to torture.

And how can the GOP claim that the CIA is so honest about what occurred concerning torture, when we know the CIA destroyed the interrogation tapes? We also know those tapes were requested by the 9/11 Commission and weren't provided.

So the CIA lied and the GOP called them liars. Why the different standards now?

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10. Hmm, not like they didn't have a reason to lie NT

[ProSense]

11. How about that Newt

Last week:

Gingrich: Pelosi not truthful about waterboarding issue

WASHINGTON (CNN) — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who has denied she was ever told explicitly that waterboarding had been used on terrorist suspects, "has a lot of explaining to do," former Speaker Newt Gingrich said Sunday.

Gingrich, who held the House post from 1995 to 1999, said Pelosi keeps changing her statements on how much she knew about the practice and when.

In the interest of national security, "she has a responsibility to say nothing or tell the truth," he told "Fox News Sunday." "In this case, it's clear she wasn't telling the truth."

A CIA memo provided to CNN by Republican sources lists 40 briefings for members of Congress from September 2002 to March 2009.

The first briefing — on September 4, 2002 — was for then-House Intelligence Committee Chairman Porter Goss and Pelosi, then the ranking Democrat on the committee.

The subject of the briefing is listed as "EITs," or enhanced interrogation techniques, "including use of EITs on Abu Zubaydah," a suspected al Qaeda leader imprisoned at U.S. facilities in Guantanamo Bay.

One of those techniques is waterboarding, which simulates drowning and which has been described by critics as torture.

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Also, how the hell would Gingrich know what happened in Congress in 2002?