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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 10:32 PM
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Why am I not surprised?


Some of you want more outrage here? Well how about this: At first, the stimulus was going to create 4 million new jobs. We were led to believe there would be a massive jobs program, much like a Roosevelt alphabet program. We were led to believe that Americans were going to be put back to work rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. That good feeling didn't last long. We were swerved on the entire fucking stimulus. The amount of money eventually earmarked for those jobs ended up being just a drop into a bucket of water destined to all go to Wall St. fatcats and their cronies, with no oversight as to where the money went. Then we got a revised forecast. NOW, we were told, the stimulus plan would "CREATE OR SAVE" 2 1/2 to 3 million jobs. And all while the Wall Street thieves kept begging, cajoling, bullying and threatening the treasury into handing them the keys to Fort Knox, at the other end of the line of corporations with their hands out, GM is told that they have to jump through an impossible series of hoops, or else.

Now, there seems to be a huge disconnect here. We are bleeding out in the job market. More than half a million jobs a month are being lost. Real people, with real families, with real bills that keep coming month after month. MORE THAN HALF A GODDAMNED MILLION JOBS A MONTH, and our administration is practically telling 15 percent of the workforce to go eat shit and quit crying. No doubt a great percentage of these people will end up on welfare. Job prospects? There are no prospects. It is so bad out there, people, that 16% of retirees have been forced back to work, thanks to Wall St. People who had worked and saved all of their lives, who looked forward to retirement, FORCED to go looking for work again. Feels like they were cheated out of a lifetime of hard work and planning, WHICH THEY WERE! People from the ages of 16 to 70 are competing for jobs that just aren't there.

Now comes another revision by the administration. We are now being told that we won't see any job "growth" until around 2012. No 4 million job promise. No 2 1/2 to 3 million job promise. Now we are told that we will just only "break even" around 2012. And in the meantime we have pissed all of our tax dollars away, which has understandably left an incredibly sour taste in all of our mouths, especially when talk of more stimulus surfaces.

No infrastructure rebuild. No overhaul in banking regulations. No real help for home owners who are going under. We need jobs, and we need them now, in bunches. But what are we doing? We are talking about the inevitability of a GM bankruptcy, which means throwing tens of thousands more hard working men and women out of work, at a time when jobs are so scarce that lawyers are stealing legal secretary positions just to put food on the table. It is sheer insanity to force tens of thousands of people out of work, just to put them on welfare, when you could keep them working, with the potential to work themselves out of this huge mess.

The president and his team of "experts" had a chance to do it right. For a brief moment, I thought they would. So, in just a little over 100 days, we have gone from a 4 million jobs outlook to no jobs outlook. I wasn't hoping for that kind of fucking change, and I believe none of you were, either. I feel like I've been had by a very charming con man.

No wonder America and Americans are so fucked up. We look to our leaders and we have seen nothing but a bunch of crooks and liars. We have taken a cue from them. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING will change, until we indict and prosecute ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE.

And I haven't even mentioned the wars.
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 10:40 PM
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1. What did I miss?
Do you have a link to the administration's revision about no job growth until 2012. Also, I was not aware that there would be no infrastructure rebuild. Is there a link for that info? Thanks.
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Mike 03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 10:46 PM
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2. I don't think they lied. I think the metronomic projections you have described are basically
what have been on the table for months.

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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 11:02 PM
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6. Where's the transparency?
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 12:14 AM
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9. The REST of the World sees the rape of the USA taxpayers going on
.
.
.

so that's pretty "transparent", no??

As long as MOST of the World knows,

ta heck with the US taxpayers.

PNAC/BFEE still winning

(sigh)

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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 12:48 AM
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14. how do you cook those?
Anything I can put on the table in these times is a good thing, and I am willing to try out these "metronomic projections" to feed my family. How do you cook those?


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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 10:53 PM
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3. The working class is going to be bled. There's nothing on the table to mitigate it.
And the lack of mitigation coincident with the trillions to banksters & the new war spending (dollars for destruction + war contractors) should make people wonder wtf is going on.


"The primary aim of modern warfare (in accordance with the principles of doublethink, this aim is simultaneously recognized and not recognized by the directing brains of the Inner Party) is to use up the products of the machine without raising the general standard of living.

Ever since the end of the nineteenth century, the problem of what to do with the surplus of consumption goods has been latent in industrial society. At present, when few human beings even have enough to eat, this problem is obviously not urgent, and it might not have become so, even if no artificial processes of destruction had been at work. The world of today is a bare, hungry, dilapidated place compared with the world that existed before 1914, and still more so if compared with the imaginary future to which the people of that period looked forward. In the early twentieth century, the vision of a future society unbelievably rich, leisured, orderly, and efficient -- a glittering antiseptic world of glass and steel and snow-white concrete -- was part of the consciousness of nearly every literate person. Science and technology were developing at a prodigious speed, and it seemed natural to assume that they would go on developing.

...From the moment when the machine first made its appearance it was clear to all thinking people that the need for human drudgery, and therefore to a great extent for human inequality, had disappeared. If the machine were used deliberately for that end, hunger, overwork, dirt, illiteracy, and disease could be eliminated within a few generations. And in fact, without being used for any such purpose, but by a sort of automatic process -- by producing wealth which it was sometimes impossible not to distribute -- the machine did raise the living standards of the average humand being very greatly over a period of about fifty years at the end of the nineteenth and the beginning of the twentieth centuries.

But it was also clear that an all-round increase in wealth threatened the destruction -- indeed, in some sense was the destruction -- of a hierarchical society. In a world in which everyone worked short hours, had enough to eat, lived in a house with a bathroom and a refrigerator, and possessed a motor-car or even an aeroplane, the most obvious and perhaps the most important form of inequality would already have disappeared. If it once became general, wealth would confer no distinction.

It was possible, no doubt, to imagine a society in which wealth, in the sense of personal possessions and luxuries, should be evenly distributed, while power remained in the hands of a small privileged caste. But in practice such a society could not long remain stable. For if leisure and security were enjoyed by all alike, the great mass of human beings who are normally stupefied by poverty would become literate and would learn to think for themselves; and when once they had done this, they would sooner or later realize that the privileged minority had no function, and they would sweep it away."

1984
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 10:59 PM
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5. that last paragraph
especially, is so right on

...would sooner or later realize that the privileged minority had no function
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 10:57 PM
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4. obama's been made privy to THE information...
they're just trying to get us to limp along until the 12/21/12 date when it all ends.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 11:11 PM
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7. what's "the" information? what's the frequency, kenneth?
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 12:18 AM
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10. oh sure- i tell you, you tell someone else...and suddenly we have a full-blown panic situation...
maybe you'd just be better off googling 12-21-12.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 12:20 AM
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11. it's not the second wave of the pig flu, is it? omg, omg!
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 12:31 AM
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13. think pig flu times a jillion-billion...
and you'd be getting close.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 11:17 PM
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8. What..Your state is not spending..
the stimulus money on infrastructure? Have you contacted your governor, or maybe someone who represents you? Isn't there some kind of time frame between recovery and job creation? We haven't got to the 'recovery' phrase have we? Isn't it supposed to get worse?

http://www.wsbtv.com/money/19429272/detail.html
White House: Stimulus On Pace For 3.5 Million Jobs
CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer

Posted: 1:08 pm EDT May 11, 2009Updated: 6:37 pm EDT May 11, 2009
WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration is defending its claim that the $787 billion economic stimulus plan will save or create 3.5 million jobs before 2011 even while conceding that unemployment will likely continue to rise beyond its earlier predictions.

A report Monday by the White House Council of Economic Advisers said the projections were based on conservative estimates and widely accepted assumptions. The 3.5 million job estimate remains valid, the report said, now that stimulus money is starting to pay for various projects throughout the nation.

Associated Press writer Jim Kuhnhenn contributed to this report.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 12:23 AM
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12. We'll need at least 4 million medical insurance Claims Denial Specialists!
There's yer jobs!

K&R
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