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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 08:45 PM
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DUers need help with comments on this one... Buckeye Inst = Blackwell...
http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=blog02&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3aec38bb2b-982e-46ba-819a-da01a547e8eaPost%3ac9cad9f5-9a84-4441-9291-0a6e14dbc388&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

Buckeye Institute: Federal stimulus will cause more job losses
Posted by joncraig at 5/4/2009 11:38 AM EDT on Cincinnati.com

Federal stimulus spending already is damaging the economy, according to a study released today by a conservative research group.

The Buckeye Institute for Public Policy Solutions predicts between 66,400 and 91,000 jobs could be lost in Ohio because of the federal government’s stimulus bill, in a report titled, "The Economic Impact of Federal Spending on State Economic Performance." Nationwide, the Buckeye Institute estimates 1.7 million jobs will be lost due to the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, the $787 billion spending plan passed by Congress that the Columbus-based group predicts will slow down private sector growth.

"Every dollar the government spends must first be removed from the pocket of the private sector,’’ the report says, "through higher taxes today, or higher borrowing today implying higher taxes tomorrow . . Put simply, growth in government crowds out growth in the private sector."

The report can be found here:
David Hansen, president of the Buckeye Institute, discussed the study during a news conference today at the Warren County Administration Building. "As this study clearly shows, federal spending isn’t ‘free’ for Ohio," Hansen said. "In fact, this spending has a very high cost in terms of both taxes and reduced economic activity.’’...

The Buckeye Institute noted that when government expenses grew rapidly from 1965 to 1983, annual private sector growth slowed to 2.5 percent. A similar trend occurred between 2000 and 2007. But when the growth of the private sector accelerated to 5.1 percent annually from 1983 to 1983, government expenditures fell. That pattern was repeated between 1992 and 2000.

The study was co-sponsored by Washington, D.C., based-Arduin, Laffer, & Moore Econometrics.

as in Stephen Moore, Club for Growth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arduin,_Laffer_&_Moore_Econometrics

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pkdu Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 08:53 PM
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1. So their argument is basically "All borrowing = future job losses"..
Edited on Mon May-04-09 08:53 PM by pkdu
...leaving aside the B-S argument itself...where was that argument from them against the Bush budget deficits in recent years?

Cheers
PKDU
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obliviously Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 08:57 PM
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2. hey I thought we were supposed to list the merits
of the plan and argue for it. Not say It's no worse than bush. That gets us nowhere.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 09:05 PM
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3. That's why I asked for help, I only play a finance and econ expert on this blog...
Edited on Mon May-04-09 09:05 PM by roseBudd
I'm not prepared to refute this one.
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obliviously Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 09:11 PM
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4. I'm thinking on it.
I think it is one of those things you have to do. because by doing nothing confidence goes down. some things don't have immediate effects and history will be our judge not the opinions of a conservative think tank.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 09:36 PM
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5. They have discounted the effects of inflation.
Those future dollars will be repaid, but the actual value of them will be less than current.

They have also assumed a flat economy with no growth.

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obliviously Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 10:10 PM
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6. Right now
we are not even flat we have a negative over 6%.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 06:55 AM
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7. I went with this comment...
This is the Southwest Ohio media market. I encourage DUers to participate. PM me for info on joining my group.

My question for the Buckeye Institute and Arduin, Laffer, & Moore is did they predict that Bush's economic policies would be such a disaster.

Because the data definitively shows that Bush 43 holds the record for worst employment and GDP of any two term president in seven decades.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/

Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record

"President George W. Bush entered office in 2001 just as a recession was starting, and is preparing to leave in the middle of a long one. That’s almost 22 months of recession during his 96 months in office.

His job-creation record won’t look much better. The Bush administration created about three million jobs (net) over its eight years, a fraction of the 23 million jobs created under President Bill Clinton’s administration and only slightly better than President George H.W. Bush did in his four years in office."

Economy Made Few Gains in Bush Years

Eight-Year Period Is Weakest in Decades

By Neil Irwin and Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, January 12, 2009; A01

President Bush has presided over the weakest eight-year span for the U.S. economy in decades, according to an analysis of key data, and economists across the ideological spectrum increasingly view his two terms as a time of little progress on the nation's thorniest fiscal challenges.

The number of jobs in the nation increased by about 2 percent during Bush's tenure, the most tepid growth over any eight-year span since data collection began seven decades ago. Gross domestic product, a broad measure of economic output, grew at the slowest pace for a period of that length since the Truman administration. And Americans' incomes grew more slowly than in any presidency since the 1960s, other than that of Bush's father...

"The expansion was a continuation of the way the U.S. has grown for too long, which was a consumer-led expansion that was heavily concentrated in housing," said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a onetime Bush White House staffer and one of Sen. John McCain's top economic advisers for his presidential campaign. "There was very little of the kind of saving and export-led growth that would be more sustainable."...

But economists, including some former advisers to Bush, say it increasingly looks as if the nation's economic expansion was driven to a large degree by the interrelated booms in the housing market, consumer spending and financial markets. Those booms, which the Bush administration encouraged with the idea of an "ownership society," have proved unsustainable...

"For a group that claims it wants to be judged by history, there is no evidence on the economic policy front that that was the view," Holtz-Eakin said. "It was all Band-Aids."...

"Some of the recovery, some of the expansion, was based on very shaky foundations," said Nariman Behravesh, chief economist at Global Insight.

"It's sad to say, but we really went nowhere for almost ten years, after you extract the boost provided by the housing and mortgage boom," said Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody's Economy.com, and an informal adviser to McCain's campaign. "It's almost a lost economic decade."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/11/AR2009011102301_pf.html
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 07:08 AM
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8. Warren County Administration Building-isn't that where the reTHUGlicans called a level 10 Terrorist
threat on November 2, 2004 to allow for adjustments in vote counts? Guess Blackwell returned to the scene of the crime:

November 23, 2004

Warren County Lockdown was Premeditated!

As it turns out, the Warren County Lockdown was an entirely premeditated act:

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041116/NEWS01/411160355/1056/news01



OF COURSE THE ARTICLE HAS BEEN SCRUBBED

Any way this is the type of group defending the corporate tax dodgers in the Cayman Islands. It's all about GREED!
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