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loyalkydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 08:10 AM
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Who on here is proud to be a liberal and a Democrat?
You know what bugs me. Every republican friend I have keeps saying how bad it is to be a liberal. They keep saying how bad it is to be a democrat. You know what I say to that, FUCK EM.

I wanted to do some research and see just what Republicans and Conservatives have done for our country

Afghanistan and Iraq: George W. Bush, Republican; Invasion of Afghanistan was the result of the Taliban ruled government's refusal to hand over Osama bin Laden. Iraq's invasion is still under debate.

Grenada: Ronald Reagan, Republican; When a Communist government took over the country, it persecuted the American college students studying there.

Panama, Persian Gulf War Operation Restoring Freedom: George HW Bush, Republican; Noriega, leader of Panama was charged with drug traffickingand through Noriega's power, Panama would declare war(Though retaining the Canal is alleged to be the real motive). Persian Gulf War was fought to Liberate Kuwait from Iraq and protect Saudi Arabia from an Invasion(also to protect oil interests). Troops were sent to Somalia to assist in the feeding the hungry after guerrillas shot up UN aid convoys.

Nicaragua: Calvin Coolidge, Republican; Like Haiti the objective was stabilization

Spanish-American War and Phillipine Insurrection: William McKinley, Republican; American Naval Ship Maine sent to monitor alleged mistreatment of the civilians of Cuba and protect American economic interests. The ship was destroyed and the press (the real instigators of the war)of the time placed the now doubtful blame on the Spanish. US fought the war to free Cuba. McKinley announced that giving the Filipinos Independence outright would be like simply handing them over the Germans or Japanese(because of the geographic position) and harm American economic Interests

Korea(1876); Ulysses S. Grant, Republican; Called Choson at the time, the country attacked and destroyed an American Navy Vessel. The war was fought with similar motives as Perry's visit with Japan.

and my favorite which is still debated on even today

American Civil War: Abraham Lincoln, Republican; First fought to preserve the Union(the right to secede is still debated to this day) later to end slavery.


Republicans also seem to not to want average every day people like you or I to earn money and improve our standing. The following was taken from Common Crunch, a very conservative blog

Written by David Brooks:

The political effects of this trend have been obvious. Republicans have alienated the highly educated regions -- Silicon Valley, northern Virginia, the suburbs outside of New York, Philadelphia, Chicago and Raleigh-Durham. The West Coast and the Northeast are mostly gone.

The Republicans have alienated whole professions. Lawyers now donate to the Democratic Party over the Republican Party at 4-to-1 rates. With doctors, it's 2-to-1. With tech executives, it's 5-to-1. With investment bankers, it's 2-to-1. It took talent for Republicans to lose the banking community.

Conservatives are as rare in elite universities and the mainstream media as they were 30 years ago. The smartest young Americans are now educated in an overwhelmingly liberal environment.

This year could have changed things. The G.O.P. had three urbane presidential candidates. But the class-warfare clichés took control. Rudy Giuliani disdained cosmopolitans at the Republican convention. Mitt Romney gave a speech attacking "eastern elites." (Mitt Romney!) John McCain picked Sarah Palin.

Palin is smart, politically skilled, courageous and likable. Her convention and debate performances were impressive. But no American politician plays the class-warfare card as constantly as Palin. Nobody so relentlessly divides the world between the "normal Joe Sixpack American" and the coastal elite.

She is another step in the Republican change of personality. Once conservatives admired Churchill and Lincoln above all -- men from wildly different backgrounds who prepared for leadership through constant reading, historical understanding and sophisticated thinking. Now those attributes bow down before the common touch.

Oh my god, Palin, smart? Did I read that right? Let's paste that part again.
Palin is smart, politically skilled, courageous and likable. Her convention and debate performances were impressive. But no American politician plays the class-warfare card as constantly as Palin. Nobody so relentlessly divides the world between the "normal Joe Sixpack American" and the coastal elite.

Yes, I read that right. I mean this bimbo couldn't make it through an interview with Katie Couric who I consider a very smart lady myself. Not only that, why would we elect a potential president who says, "I can see Russia from my house"

Apparently to my horror the above statement from Crunch.com was written by conservative hack David Brooks who my opinion of is lower than my view of Michelle Bachman

One additional comment the author makes about Democrats which bother the hell out me is what he stated below:

As longtime readers know, it bothers me a lot that the Democratic Party at the leadership level has become so aggressively secular and disdainful of religious and social conservatives that there's no place for us in a party whose foreign policy and even economic orientation at least some religious conservatives would find more appealing than the GOP's. I have to laugh, sardonically, when liberals accuse the Republicans of being closed-minded on social issues; the Democrats are as bad or worse. It's much easier to find pro-choice Republicans in positions of leadership than to find pro-life

First of all. If a Democratic President takes us to war, he's going to make sure its a war that makes sense. Bill Clinton never lied us to war. As best I can recall, I don't remember a single Democratic President ever taking us to war on false pretenses. Second, I'm proud to be a liberal. The most recent poll that was released cited that only 21% of Americans are proud to be Conservatives and Republican, 21%. So Mr. Robert Drexler, I know you wrote that back in October, but I got to ask you a question, are you out of your fuckin mind? Let's see what the Republican Party has done.

We started out with a surplus in 2001 when your man Bush took over. In 8 years, he turned our surplus into a deficit. Your man Bush and his pimp daddy Cheney has ruined America's image around the world. You got us into two wars Mr. Drexler, two wars and what do you have to say for yourself? You turned America into the biggest bully on the planet. You help collapse our economy by deregulating the Banking industry, an utter stupid move if I ever saw one. Thank god you never got around to deregulating health care or we really be in trouble.

Then Katrina happened. Your man Bush sat on his fat ass for 3 days while people were literary living in dyer conditions. Most New Orleans residences still haven't returned home to this day, that's sad. When are we going to see New Orleans restored, eh? Finally, what burns me up is how your party treated Barack Obama during the election. Calling him a socialist, paling around with terrorist, calling him a Muslim when he's clearly a Christian.

In closing, I for one am proud to be liberal and I'm proud to be a democrat. I urge everyone here that next time a republican gets in your face and says liberal like its a bad term, we need to throw it back in their face and say consecrative is a bad term. Remind them of every bad thing Bush and Regan have done and remind them how their hero Churchill would never have tortured people. It's time we stand up to them. I for one hope that they don't learn from their past mistakes because next year, I see them loosing more and more seats in the congress. I see the party becoming a regional party just confined to the south. I actually feel sorry for the true conservatives in the party who allowed the right wing nut jobs to take over the party
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 08:12 AM
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1. I tell people whenever possible that I am a Liberal and you'd be surprised
how often that IS possible.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 08:17 AM
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2. That editorial you mentioned: "Palin is smart, politically skilled, courageous and likable"
Edited on Fri May-01-09 08:17 AM by YOY
Smart: Um...Gigantic fucking titanic motherfucking NO

Politically Skilled: Super humongous fucking NO

Brave: I give her that, sure...but I would use the word "foolhardy".

Likable: Unless you're fundie idiot or a MILF hunter with no taste: NO.

Yeah though personally, proud as hell to have been "right" by being on the "liberal left".
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loyalkydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 08:17 AM
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3. I know
I had an issue with the Politically skilled part myself
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 08:25 AM
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5. She thought Africa was a country.
Not a continent with many countries (states) but its own country.

That's not smart. That's really fucking stupid.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 08:22 AM
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4. I have a hard time with the term "proud"- I'm glad to be a bleeding heart liberal
I'm not ashamed of my perspective, but ...proud... that implies an arrogance- a kind of attitude that goes against my liberal belief that no one is superior to anyone else... if that makes any sense?


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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 08:32 AM
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6. LBJ
You must not remember that Gulf of Tonkin incident. That pack of lies sealed the fate of Democrats and gave Republicans the chance to get their foot in the door, which they did for 40 years.

I'm proud to be liberal, but not so much so of Democrats, some of whom lose their bearings at times.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 08:36 AM
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7. It is worth mentioning that David Brooks is NOT a liberal? nt
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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 08:59 AM
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8. Oh, hell yes. Very proud indeed.
"Conservative" and "Republican" should be obscenities to all decent people everywhere.
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loyalkydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:21 PM
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9. Excatly
which is why every time they throw that in our face, we bounce right back and say you bloody conservatives. I've noticed when you confront them with the truth, they get dumb, real fast
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:24 PM
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10. I'll go further than that. I'm a proud Marxist.
If there was a such thing as an afterlife, I'm sure Karl would be looking at our current economic situation and saying
"I told you so"
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