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kas125 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 01:30 AM
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Mom says Patriot Act stripped son of due process
Oxford, N.C. — Sixteen-year-old Ashton Lundeby's bedroom in his mother's Granville County home is nothing, if not patriotic. Images of American flags are everywhere – on the bed, on the floor, on the wall.

But according to the United States government, the tenth-grade home-schooler is being held on a criminal complaint that he made a bomb threat from his home on the night of Feb. 15.

The family was at a church function that night, his mother, Annette Lundeby, said.

"Undoubtedly, they were given false information, or they would not have had 12 agents in my house with a widow and two children and three cats," Lundeby said.

the rest of the article and a video - http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/5049867/
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 01:36 AM
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1. Mess of a story but I'd have to ask if she didn't think
this was possible when it was passed

And I do hope the kid can defend himself and I'd contact the ACLU
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 01:47 AM
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2. Aren't there multiple witnesses that put the kid at the church at the time
of the bomb threat? Wouldn't such an alibiwork in his favor?
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 02:00 AM
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3. How often to prosecutors ignore exculpatory evidence
and simply don't care. They want an easy conviction. They want to build a case. They don't care who goes down, or if the person is innocent.

Did you think we somehow had Justice in this country? The only difference is that now, with the Patriot Act, they don't even have to pretend to care about checks and balances and whether or not someone might be innocent.

:(

I hope that kid is able to get a damned good attorney, and I hope the attorney is able to get to him at some point and do something for him.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 02:00 AM
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4. I'll reserve judgment until more facts are known, BUT:
Edited on Fri May-01-09 02:06 AM by Common Sense Party
1) The kid is home-schooled
2) He seems VERY "patriotic"
3) The bomb threat calls were made on 2/15/09 to somewhere "near" South Bend, IN.
4) Chicago, IL is somewhere "near" South Bend.
5) President Obama was in Chicago on 2/15/09.

Is it possible this very patriotic, home-schooled kid made bomb threats against President Obama?

Why else is he in federal detention? Not every bomb threat is hiked up to the Feds. We had a bomb threat against our schools two years ago, and that guy just went to county jail.

On edit: let me adjust my :tinfoilhat: hat.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 02:36 AM
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5. Bomb threat *might* have been toward Purdue
Edited on Fri May-01-09 02:37 AM by Common Sense Party

I can't post the link, but it's at Indy.com
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 07:29 AM
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6. you laid out exactly what I was thinking ...
"Oh, my son loves his country! He was going to enlist in the military, but then, Obama was elected ..."

not a quote from the article, but I would think this was said by her at some point ...
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 08:53 AM
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7. four or five years ago i'm willing to bet
the mother was cheering the news every time some "dangerous looking muslin" got hauled away, never to be seen again...not to sound overly cynical, but the subtext of so many of these stories is "it's not supposed to happen to US! we're regular americans!"
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 09:02 AM
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8. The woman says she hates and fears guns.....
....doesn't seem to fit the nice, tight stereotype you are projecting on to this person.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 09:22 AM
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9. my bad....
it was the 'but he's such a patriot' -talk with the flag imagery that hooked me...
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 03:48 PM
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10. A person can and will say anything when they're making a public
appeal for sympathy.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 07:38 PM
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12. Maybe so......
Edited on Fri May-01-09 07:39 PM by ProudToBeBlueInRhody
......but within the context of the projection about what political leaning the mother has, it doesn't seem to fit at all. It seems simply saying that federal agents stormed into the home with guns drawn scaring the family would be enough to draw such sympathy.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 04:05 PM
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11. He's been in lockup for two and a half months!
No arraignment? No bail? No contact with family?

I hate the term "un-American" but I would apply it here.

--imm
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