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The Leveller Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 10:30 AM
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Obama’s Iraq: NO ‘CHANGE’
"What I do oppose is a dumb war."
Barack Obama 2002

OBAMA’S AGENDA IN IRAQ



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But the time-line of the drawdown is back-loaded with the first US troops not scheduled to come home until this September – and even then our force in Iraq will only be reduced by 12,000. / At that point, approximately 135,000 US troops will still occupy the country. That’s the same number that invaded Iraq back in March 2003.


Aaron Glantz, The Troops Aren’t Coming Home

U.S. military officials have delayed implementing Iraq troop withdrawals to give President Barack Obama more time to consider his options, sources say. / Quoting two unnamed senior Pentagon officials, CNN reported Monday that Obama has asked military leaders to assess the risks and implications of three timelines that envision withdrawing U.S. combat troops over 16-, 19- or 23-month periods.

http://www.postchronicle.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=119&num=206843

US Combat Missions in Iraq Will Continue After ‘Pullout’

ust one day after reports came out regarding the Obama Administration’s 19 month withdrawal plan from Iraq, the Pentagon was detailing the enormous number of troops that would remain on the ground after Obama ostensibly fulfills his promise to remove all combat troops, and all the combat they’ll be engaging in.

After the “pullout,” as many as 50,000 troops will remain on the ground, and despite being touted as a withdrawal of combat troops, Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell conceded that some would continue to “conduct combat operations,” and Iraq would still be considered a war zone. The rest would be what he described as “enablers.”

President Obama promised a 16-month pullout from Iraq during the campaign, but backed off the promise under pressure from the military. Since then he has spoken of a “responsible military drawdown,” but even as he is set to officially unveil this new plan the question of when the troops will actually be out of Iraq entirely seems like it will remain unanswered.

http://rinf.com/alt-news/war-terrorism/us-combat-missions-in-iraq-will-continue-after-%E2%80%98pullout%E2%80%99/5261/

The contradiction between President Obama's speech at Camp Lejeune and his rhetoric before he was elected should serve as a warning to those who take his words at face value.

Obama to Announce Iraq Troop Withdrawal

The troop withdrawal as planned would leave behind as many as 50,000 U.S. troops. Those troops won't include officially designated "combat" troops. But those tens of thousands of troops will still be occupying Iraq. Doing what? Very likely, just what combat troops do — they would walk and talk and bomb and shoot like combat troops, but they’d be called something else. The New York Times spelled it out last December: describing how military planners believe Obama's goal of pulling out combat troops “could be accomplished at least in part by re-labeling some units, so that those currently counted as combat troops could be 're-missioned,' their efforts redefined as training and support for the Iraqis.” That would mean a retreat to the lies and deception that characterized this war during Bush years — something President Obama promised to leave behind. It would also mean military resistance in Iraq would continue, leading to more Iraqi and U.S. casualties. … more!

http://www.ips-dc.org/articles/1117




Obama’s Iraq withdrawal plan sets stage for continued war


In his first address to a joint session of Congress Tuesday night, President Barack Obama promised that he would "soon announce a way forward in Iraq that leaves Iraq to its people and responsibly ends this war." / The US president offered no details about his plan. Subsequent leaks from within the administration and the Pentagon, however, have made it clear that, as with so much of his high-flown but ambiguous rhetoric, the vagueness was deliberately crafted to mask a lie—or in this case, two lies.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/feb2009/pers-f26.shtml

Drawdown Plan May Leave Combat Brigades in Iraq

President Barack Obama has given military commanders a free hand to determine the size and composition of a residual force in Iraq up to 50,000 troops, apparently including the option of leaving one or more combat brigades or bringing them from the United States, after the August 2010 deadline for the ostensible withdrawal of all combat brigades now in Iraq. Although the ostensible purpose of the combat brigades remaining in Iraq would be to protect other U.S. troops in the country, they would also provide the kind of combat capability that U.S. commanders have wanted to maintain to deal with a broad range of contingencies...

www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=45923

All Troops Out By 2011? Not So Fast; Why Obama's Iraq Speech Deserves a Second Look

Obama's speech at Camp Lejeune delivered a number of lines -- wrapped in laudatory rhetoric -- that could have been delivered by Bush himself. . As far as rhetoric goes, Obama's statement seems very clear. But in reality, it is far more complicated. Obama's plan, as his advisors have often said, is subject to "conditions on the ground," meaning it can be altered at any point between now and 2011. / … the Pentagon certainly seems to believe its forces may well be in Iraq after 2011./ … Then there's the monstrous U.S. embassy unveiled last month in Baghdad, the largest of any nation anywhere in the history of the planet and itself resembling a military base. Maintaining this fortified city will require a sizable armed U.S. presence in Baghdad and will regularly place U.S. diplomats in armed convoys that put Iraqi civilian lives in jeopardy./ … the Status of Forces Agreement, which supposedly lays out a timetable for U.S. withdrawal, contains a gaping loophole that leaves open the possibility of a continuation of the occupation and a sustained presence of U.S. forces well beyond 2011, "upon request by the government of Iraq."/ … The same Democratic leaders expressing their disappointment ignored the credible voices of dissent for years while supporting the occupation through votes and funding. That they would wait to express their dissent until long after it would actually have had an impact is one of the best examples of what has been so wrong with the Democrats' role from the beginning of President George W. Bush's declaration of war against the world and his 2003 invasion of Iraq../ … The contradiction between President Obama's speech at Camp Lejeune and his rhetoric before he was elected should serve as a warning to those who take his words at face value. But more important, combined with his plan to escalate the war in Afghanistan, Obama's adoption of key lies from Bush's Iraq narrative should be seen as a dangerous indicator of things to come.

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/129362/?page=entire

Obama Expands War, Slaps Peace Voters

The Obama Administration has engineered a triple setback for the U.S. peace movement and the millions of Americans who opposed the Bush Administration’s unjust, illegal, immoral wars. In the last two weeks of February, President Barack Obama — upon whom so many peace supporters had counted to change Washington’s commitment to wars and militarism — delivered these three blows to his antiwar constituency: 1. By ordering 17,000 more U.S. troops to Afghanistan, President Obama is continuing and expanding George W. Bush’s war. It’s Obama’s war now, and it’s getting much bigger. 2. By declaring Feb. 27 that up to 50,000 U.S. soldiers would remain in Iraq after "combat brigades" departed, President Obama is continuing the war in a country that remains a tragic victim of the Bush Administration’s aggression and which has taken the lives of over a million Iraqi civilians and has made refugees of 4.5 million people. 3. By announcing Feb. 26 that his projected 2010 Pentagon budget was to be even higher than budgets sought by the Bush Administration, President Obama was signaling that his commitment to the U.S. bloated war machine — even at a time of serious economic recession — was not to be questioned..

http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/obama-expands-war-slaps-peace-voters/
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 10:31 AM
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1. Yet more temper-tantrum BS. nt
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The Leveller Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 10:34 AM
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2. What do you mean?
What within the post do you dispute?

Perhaps you wish for silence and that none discuss this truth. What does that say?

I'm surprised that such name-calling is allowed here.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 10:44 AM
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7. real dialogue
that's asking a bit much...
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 10:47 AM
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9. I'm sick and tired of the people who feel like they can make things up to suit their agenda.
Some people are simply not happy unless their beating their chests and screaming about the evil warmongering administration whether it lines up with reality or not. "DissidentVoice" and a bunch of these others are perfect examples, where the real facts have NOTHING to do with how they feel.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 10:50 AM
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11. what is made up?
you might try being constructive and share some of your facts.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 10:42 AM
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5. ...
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 10:39 AM
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3. After having 100 days in office Obama should have solved every problem.
I voted for him and expected miracles just like Jesus performed. If you think these remarks are stupid, just read the original post.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 10:40 AM
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4. i believe Obama
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Mr. Ected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 10:43 AM
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6. I Agree With Your Exasperation
However, I think you're asking far, far too much from our valiant President, to magically withdraw our troops from Iraq overnight and right all past wrongs. The endgame is clear. The execution is not. Let's not rush into withdrawal for withdrawal's sake like B*** rushed into war for war's sake.
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adiabatic Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 10:44 AM
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8. +1
:kick:
Interesting...you will of course be accused of hating the president for posting these facts.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 10:48 AM
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10. I am going to give President Obama
Edited on Sat Apr-25-09 10:50 AM by Autumn
time on this. He said he would start pulling out in 16 months. By that time he should really realize that this stupid war is going nowhere and he should certainly by then be completely aware of bush's lies. If he still goes for it then that to me is cause for alarm.
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 08:06 PM
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14. But it's not even going in that direction
If this "war" were "going somewhere" then would you support it?

It's rather demeaning to call a criminal occupation and mass slaughter "this stupid war." That really normalizes the carnage and diminishes the Iraqi people and the suffering they have endured. Do you see that?
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 11:09 AM
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12. Like in Afghanistan, the administration is trying to save face in a lost war.
Nixon called it "Peace with honor".

But, it's still killing people for PR.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 11:20 AM
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13. I like it best when the whole story is told.
Obama didn't specifically ask for the 19- and 23-month options developed by the military, the broadcaster said. (c) UPI
http://www.postchronicle.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=119&num=206843

And no, I didn't go any farther....one was enough.






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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 08:10 PM
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15. we are only there, always have only been there
to protect CORPORATE OIL INTERESTS.
THATS IT. the US embassy is bigger then the goddamned Vatican.
And our taxpayer money is paying the fucking mercenaries like Blackwater (X) and Triple Canopy billions of dollars to stay there.
its a fucking quagmire. we should have been gone years ago, begging forgiveness instead of staying there stealing their resources.
and anyone who supports these occupations should enlist or stfu.
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