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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 06:49 AM
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It appears that the RW expects the "left" to prove that torture is "evil."
That is the bottom line for the arguments I've heard this morning. They aren't even disputing that the acts were illegal, ordered, and carried out by the past administration. Only that they be proven to be "evil." And, to dispute that they were not necessary.

Stick with the rule of law. We need to stand by the law.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 06:52 AM
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1. The law will serve us well. All the rest is distraction, misdirection
mis-characterization and the rest of the RW paintbox.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 06:53 AM
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2. "Based on my experience, torture is definitely EVIL, and anti-Christ." - Christ
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 07:31 AM
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9. Damn, that would make a fine t-shirt!
THERE IS NO DEFENSE FOR TORTURE.

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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 06:54 AM
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3. Through all their bluster....
torture is still very clearly illegal.

In our courts and in the Hague.

These war criminals shouldn't be roaming free.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 06:56 AM
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4. Rightwing playbook- PROVE it is real against their "beliefs"
Edited on Fri Apr-24-09 06:57 AM by underpants
It will be established by Monday and anyone who tries to point out that....well you know the rest
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 06:57 AM
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5. Good catch! Kick and rec, for more exposure! n/t
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 07:04 AM
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6. Someone should ask them if they approve of torture against suspected RW terrorists.
Watch them change their tune.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 07:23 AM
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7. There isn't much out there that is more evil than torture. (nt)
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 07:24 AM
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8. Riding a 70 yo woman like a donkey, repeatedly raping women becuz who they were married to,
sodomizing children. If any GOPer aren't willing to have any of the the above done to their families, then they should STFU!


The other prisoners

Most of the coverage of abuse at Abu Ghraib has focused on male detainees. But what of the five women held in the jail, and the scores elsewhere in Iraq? Luke Harding reports

Luke Harding
The Guardian, Thursday 20 May 2004

The scandal at Abu Ghraib prison was first exposed not by a digital photograph but by a letter. In December 2003, a woman prisoner inside the jail west of Baghdad managed to smuggle out a note. Its contents were so shocking that, at first, Amal Kadham Swadi and the other Iraqi women lawyers who had been trying to gain access to the US jail found them hard to believe.
The note claimed that US guards had been raping women detainees, who were, and are, in a small minority at Abu Ghraib. Several of the women were now pregnant, it added. The women had been forced to strip naked in front of men, it said. The note urged the Iraqi resistance to bomb the jail to spare the women further shame.

Late last year, Swadi, one of seven female lawyers now representing women detainees in Abu Ghraib, began to piece together a picture of systemic abuse and torture perpetrated by US guards against Iraqi women held in detention without charge. This was not only true of Abu Ghraib, she discovered, but was, as she put it, "happening all across Iraq".

In November last year, Swadi visited a woman detainee at a US military base at al-Kharkh, a former police compound in Baghdad. "She was the only woman who would talk about her case. She was crying. She told us she had been raped," Swadi says. "Several American soldiers had raped her. She had tried to fight them off and they had hurt her arm. She showed us the stitches. She told us, 'We have daughters and husbands. For God's sake don't tell anyone about this.'"

-snip

Earlier this month it emerged that an Iraqi woman in her 70s had been harnessed and ridden like a donkey at Abu Ghraib and another coalition detention centre after being arrested last July. Labour MP Ann Clwyd, who investigated the case and found it to be true, said, "She was held for about six weeks without charge. During that time she was insulted and told she was a donkey."

-snip

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/may/20/iraq.gender



Seymour Hersh says the US government has videotapes of boys being sodomized at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

"The worst is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking," the reporter told an ACLU convention last week. Hersh says there was "a massive amount of criminal wrongdoing that was covered up at the highest command out there, and higher."

Some of the worse that happened that you don't know about, ok. Videos, there are women there. Some of you may have read they were passing letters, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib which is 30 miles from Baghdad <...>

The women were passing messages saying "Please come and kill me, because of what's happened". Basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys/children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. The worst about all of them is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror it's going to come out.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/7/14/193750/666

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