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Iwillnevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 03:31 PM
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Nancy Skinner says televised trials of BushCo shouldn't be done
She claims they would turn into a media circus and detract from all the other pressing business Obama has on his plate. Sees energy/health care and beginning hearings for all the BushCo crimes as an either-or. Even doubts there may be a "bipartisan prosecutor."

Excuse me??? Those of us old enough to remember the Watergate hearings might consider them the ultimate transparency in a democratic society. I've heard enough...and apparently other folks have too, after reading the thread I began yesterday about Ms. Skinner. Gotta change the radio dial.


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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 03:34 PM
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1. You're wrong
She didn't say it was an either-or. She said they shouldn't be televised, she didn't say they shouldn't be done. It would be a media circus and take attention away from all of the other important things that need to be done. If they were televised, no one would pay any attention to anything else, and she's right. Did we ever hear about anything else during the whole Monica thing? No, we didn't. It was all Monica, all the time. Trials can take place in the background while everyone's attention can be elsewhere.
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No More Bushbots Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 03:38 PM
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6. But that would detract from the anti Nancy Skinner OP
I don't understand the hate of Ms. Skinner, but people sure like to twist her words into something that she didn't say. Get over it, the chances of Randi Rhodes getting back on the air now, is slim and none. And Slim just left the saloon.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 03:55 PM
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14. Haha, so did Randi....n/t
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Iwillnevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 03:41 PM
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8. Actually she presented it in precisely those terms
to a caller who was trying to convince her of the importance of dealing with all the Bush messes. "Would you rather get energy/health care done or begin the prosecutions?" She back pedaled a bit by questioning the timing - maybe the Bush stuff could begin in the fall.

Quote: "There's only so much oxygen." Absolutely disgraceful. The Lewinsky matter was not televised gavel to gavel, but was luridly covered in the press. The Watergate Hearings should be the standard. Did you see them?
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 03:45 PM
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10. No, you've got it wrong
She said would you rather get energy/health care done or see the trial on TV, or something to that effect. She specifically proposed having the trials, but not having them televised as a preferable option.

I saw parts of the Watergate hearings, but I was working and not near a TV most of the time they were on. If you're still listening, Nancy and her guest just talked about Watergate and how that was different. Nixon was still president when they started.
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Iwillnevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 03:53 PM
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13. No, here's the OP title
Nancy Skinner says televised trials of BushCo shouldn't be done
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 03:35 PM
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2. Who is Nancy Skinner, and why should we give a flying fart
what she thinks?
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 03:35 PM
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3. Who is Nancy Skinner, and why should we give a flying fart
what she thinks?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 04:21 PM
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23. Replacement for Randi Rhodes
Some have called her a "Republican plant".

She's a little too forgiving of RW douchebaggery IMHO.
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 04:27 PM
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26. I'm a fan from her Chicago days. The last thing she is is a republican plant.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 05:51 PM
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31. I know that
It's a joke that she uses.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 04:31 PM
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27. We need to change hearts and minds
Edited on Tue Apr-21-09 04:33 PM by SharonRB
and Nancy's way of going about doing it is more effective than going on raging rants. Check out her latest blog at http://thenancyskinnershow.blogspot.com for an interesting e-mail she got from someone on the other side. He really expressed himself very well and showed that there is common ground. As a people, we need to start being more civil to each other or things will never change. We need to put the last 8 years behind us -- and by that I don't mean don't investigate -- and learn to become what we once were as a nation. We'll never all agree with each other -- even amongst ourselves -- but all Republicans aren't bad (many, many are and most of them are in Congress) and it's time to listen to each other. Nancy's way of doing things is much more in line with the age of Obama and his way of trying to reach consensus.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 05:59 PM
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32. I much prefer Thom Hartmann's style
He actually talks to the worst of them and uses calm, reasoned arguments.

Not that it makes any difference to the worst ones.

But at least taking the time to explain that the progressive viewpoint is based on solid facts, some of them are forced to concede that they may be mistaken.

And yes, there is PLENTY of common ground. But when you have people listening to FAUX propaganda, they're convinced that Liberals are fire-breathing baby-eaters.

Yes, Nancy is decent at times, but I still find she compromises the progressive view too often in order to be seen as "objective".
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 03:37 PM
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4. Yes. Yes, we should.
Interesting that she already accepts that there is enough evidence to go to trial.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 04:56 PM
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30. It is interesting, isn't it?
And even more interesting to me was that I had to read so far down the thread before my first reaction, your reaction, was seen.

My first thought.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 03:37 PM
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5. If it's going to be a "circus", it's one I would happily pay to see.
Although, I would consider it Transparency in Government.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 03:39 PM
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7. I am sorry....she is correct..it should be recorded for posterity..but not for bread and circus
sorry I agree totally!
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 03:47 PM
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11. Exactly.
It's definitely important, but so are health care, the economy and the environment. Those issues need to be out in front of the people all the time. We need public support for them to force congress to get something done.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 03:42 PM
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9. Skinner is a windbag.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 03:58 PM
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15. May I ask how much you've listened to her? Or is your comment based
soley on one thing she said about one topic?

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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 04:00 PM
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17. I've listened to her and have not been impressed.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 04:03 PM
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19. Thanks. Just wanted to ask.
I'm not completely sold on her, but then I haven't listened to her very much, so I'm going to spend a little more time doing that.

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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 03:51 PM
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12. It would be more informative than say...
Watching mainstream news reports...It's time America had a strong dose of reality.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 03:59 PM
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16. Is it time to cool down and think hard and long.--do we want
a successful Democratic Presidency or a massive fight with the
GOP.

If we keep handing the GOP all the openings to get on TV and
spread their word, we will be giving up all that we gained.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 04:14 PM
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21. You're so right about that.
As much as we all want this to happen, we do need to not lose sight of the bigger picture. Would it be worth it to lose in 2012 and be right back where we were? I really don't think so, even though I would at a minimum like to see an independent counsel/investigation and then go wherever it takes us.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 04:32 PM
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28. That seems backward to me. If the hearing is televised
no one will be interested in their distraction of the day.

And frankly, I don't trust this government enough to settle for secret hearings. Secrecy got us here in the first place.

Lastly, you need to have more faith in Obama than that. He knows how to do media and so do his people.
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SalviaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:35 PM
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34. So you think the GOP is on TV because the Dems hand them openings?
Have you ever seen Media Matters or all of the info available about media ownership.

It sounds like you think if we are nice enough to the GOP they won't get mad and be mean to us and maybe then they will let us be in charge for awhile.

I say F@#* the GOP. Let Justice prevail no matter what.
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SalviaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 04:02 PM
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18. Well, once again I disagree with Nancy Skinner.
Yes, it will be a big deal (media circus, whatever) but it IS a big deal and everyone needs to hear the truth. Bring it on.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 04:19 PM
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22. I do not mean to sound didrespectful. What is it that the people
do not already know??? The people know what went on. Some believd
as we do. Others believe that GWB & CO. had good intentions and
will therefore continue to hold their positions.

Just what do you believe will be accomplished. We stand to hurt
our party more than help.

There are many many steps the AG will have to surmount. In the
end the decision may be it is not worth it.



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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 04:37 PM
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29. Most people don't know a lot of things.
They don't know that ACLU has identified over 600 individuals engaged in torturing and they don't know not a single attack was prevent or individual found because of torture. In fact, torture shut down information streams, not the other way around. In fact, a case could be made that torture and abuse are responsible for the insurgency in Iraq.

This is not a matter of belief. It is a matter of fact.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 04:04 PM
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20. We absoutely need to put these fuckers on trial.
If we are to ever completely regain control of our democracy again we need to make sure Bush Co. is put on trial.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 04:22 PM
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24. I want it on TV 24 hours a day hell Id buy a TV again to see it!
because if it doesnt see the light of day all the shit Obama does isnt going to mean much..until the former admin is held accountable..
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 04:26 PM
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25. I enjoyed Eichmann's hearing
ala Alcoa Theatre when I was about 12. I would enjoy, MUCH more, televised trials of these thugs even more now that I am 58!
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 06:07 PM
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33. it should be televised, radioed, streamed over the internet, liveblogged, twittered,
and anything else
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