If the Tortue issue does go to court....

[Fendius]

Whats to say that the "right" doesn't do what they did in 2000 elections x100.... I can only imagine the drama, loopholes, propaganda, and lies their lawyers would put us through.. If they can make a torture procedure "legal", They could also make for a nightmare Trial....

[polysciguy420]

1. good

point. I hated Bush as much as anybody, but it's time for the left in this country to give up their hatred of the Bush adminstration and look to the hope and promise of the future that we have under the Obama adminstration. Prosecutions are not needed as long as we have a change in American policy, which we have recieved under Obama. Let's forget about bringing Bush down, and focus on more important things.

[Fendius]

2. Oh i say we still go after them,

I think they broke the law, moving forward yes, but we have enough people in our government for some to take this to court.. Drama it will be though..

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. So standing for law is hatred of bush

interesting concept....

I guess we tried the german and japanese officers because we hated them?

For a fact, the ruskies wanted to just line them against the wall and shoot them

[Fendius]

8. Im not implying hatred as a means..

Im simply stating i "do" believe if this does get dropped that will be more room for people to get away with breaking the law in Government in the future..

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. That is why it HAS to go to court

we didn't prosecute Iran Contra... that laid the ground for this

[polysciguy420]

10. well then

let me ask you directly. What are your personal feelings of Bush and his adminstration?

[Winterblues]

14. I think he is one of the most Evil Americans to hold Office

I want their entire Cabal tried in a court of Law for their criminal offenses.

[polysciguy420]

17. lol exactly.

Just let it go.

[walldude]

18. So when a crime is comitted against you

say someone close to you was killed, you would want to just let it go? These are criminal acts, and as a "polisciguy" you should know that the current administration and the poeple of this country have no say in whether prosecutions go through. That is up to the justice dept, if they determine that criminal acts have been committed they must prosecute.



BTW Welcome to DU, a bit of advice, you might want to get more than 60 posts under your belt before trying to get the Bush administration off the hook, people might think you are a troll.

[elocs]

7. Yes, so many of the left embraced hatred of Bushco as being precious and sacred to them.

They nurtured this hatred and made it their holy crusade and for many it seemed to be their reason for living. I wonder, does or did any of this hatred actually hurt Bush? Did it or does it make the lives of those who hate Bush any better or more fulfilled? I have a feeling if Bush were to die today that there would be those who would demand that his corpse be put on trial.

[polysciguy420]

15. exactly.

It's the same vein that the right views Obama in, but, when we hear it coming from the right we can regard it as the lunacy that it really is. It works the same way for the left.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Given we shot US Troops for engaging in torture

during the Spanish American war and hung Yamashita for it, after WW II (among other things) I'd rather stand on the side of US Law

by the way... torture is punishable by death under US code...

For some of us the law has nothing to do with hatred of bush

Oh and we don't do it, other countries will

I'd say it is the DLC that does not want this to go forth... and at this point I have to ask the obvious question WHY

[mod mom]

12. There is only hope if we return to rule of law and the concept no one is above the law.

Obama should focus on the issues that face the nation but the Judiciary (and if not them then congress) must investigate, and prosecute those who have broken the trust of the office and broken the law.

[Winterblues]

13. And what is to stop that policy from changing right back with a new administration?

No you are wrong and IMO it is unAmerican to say Laws should not be enforced and Prosecuted. I don't care who breaks the Law, whether Democrat or Republican they need to be tried. If they are innocent then a jury of their peers will find accordingly. But to just ignore our Constitution is not an acceptable alternative.

[stillcool]

3. I think if there is a prosecution...

it will be very narrow in scope. Individual crimes by individual people. "National Security", and "Classified Information" will limit the testimony/evidence even more. Who knows what will happen? Here's the email I got back from my Congressman:

April 21, 2009

Your comments expressing support for investigating former President George W. Bush and other officials in his administration have been forwarded to my attention. I appreciate the opportunity to respond.

Please know that the Democratic majority in Congress is doing much in the way of demanding accountability. As a member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform and a member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, I am actively involved in such matters. As this work continues, we shall let the facts take us where they will, all in the interest of a better government.

[Fendius]

4. What Congressman if you dont mind?

Optimistic if anything. Just a reply from someone in office is nice to see..

[stillcool]

5. John Tierney...

Here's the email I sent...

I am writing to you regarding the torture memos that were just released. We've been reading these stories for years, and I didn't think it was possible for new information to phase me one way or another, but I was wrong. These memos reveal a cunning, devious, intricate legal finding to allow a nation to wholly act with brutality and disregard for any human life. The controlled, specific directions to provide the thinnest thread of legal cover for what the whole world considers torture is mind bending. It's one thing to torture. It's quite another to legalize it in such minute detail. I have no idea how to make this right. But I do know that some action is necessary. It is impossible to look away. The totality of the destruction to our country and from our country can not be reconciled in any way. There isn't enough rationalization in the world. Believe me I've tried. Past empires have behaved with human cruelty and depravity, and they all suffered their fates. I believe we will too. I just wish there were some way to at least have our government appear to care, appear to have a conscience. I hope that you and your colleagues can find some way to act. Do anything, but do something. Thank you.

[Fendius]

9. Very nice to see

:)

[mmonk]

16. There's no downside. Your system may actually hold.

[ThomWV]

19. This would be the most closely watched trial in the history of man

You can bet that the judge would not allow it to become a circus.