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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 06:17 PM
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"A Playground For Sadists"-&-NO, We Cannot "JUST Get Over It".
Edited on Sat Apr-18-09 06:18 PM by kpete
Indeed.

One article that was burned into my brain as the Bush administration was embedding torture as a matter of bureaucracy and routine was this one by Vladimir Bukovsky. As a victim of Stalin's torture regime, he reflected on how the acceptance of torture undermined the quality of people the state could attract when it was known that one could be working side by side with brutal sadists.

Torture is the oldest scourge on our planet (hence there are so many conventions against it). Every Russian czar after Peter the Great solemnly abolished torture upon being enthroned, and every time his successor had to abolish it all over again. These czars were hardly bleeding-heart liberals, but long experience in the use of these "interrogation" practices in Russia had taught them that once condoned, torture will destroy their security apparatus. They understood that torture is the professional disease of any investigative machinery.

...Investigation is a subtle process, requiring patience and fine analytical ability, as well as a skill in cultivating one's sources. When torture is condoned, these rare talented people leave the service, having been outstripped by less gifted colleagues with their quick-fix methods, and the service itself degenerates into a playground for sadists.



When we have doctors and psychologists participating so intimately in torture, there is something deeply wrong with our country that cannot be just "gotten over."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/17/AR2005121700018.html
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/014010.php
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 06:45 PM
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1. I agree.
This is repulsive, disgusting and abhorrent.

The medical professionsals who took part in this travesty have lost humanity and disobeyed the hyppocratic oath. They should not be allowed to practice.

The lawyers who wrote those memos should be disbarred.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 07:16 PM
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2. Only a Sadist or Sadist-in-Making Would Say "Get Over It"
and that's not what I want in government.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 07:16 PM
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3. Interesting. k&r n/t
:dem:

-Laelth
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 04:16 PM
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4. K&R Justice Louis D.Brandeis said..........
Edited on Sun Apr-19-09 04:18 PM by flyarm
Justice Louis D.Brandeis

"Our government is the potent, the omnipresent, teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself;"


and again..THANK YOU KPETE..you are a jewel!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 04:22 PM
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5. K&R
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 04:42 PM
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6. psychological issues the memos explains psychologists n/t
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