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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:22 PM Original message |
I Guarantee You, NOBODY Will Go On Trial For Torture |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
1. Service to Empire is always rewarded and never punished... |
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MrPerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
2. I think we should try to get "confessions" from them. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
3. Of course not. Why should they? Hell, just ask the jerk-off public here & they'll tell ya |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
4. Many, many DUers DEFENDED the MCA when it passed |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. now would be an appropriate time to review the vote tally |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:17 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Now that it's too late to do anything about it? |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #20 |
41. Accountability can sometime be late in coming -- thanks for posting the RollCall |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. you can find the Roll Call for the House here: |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #17 |
30. It's right here |
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bullwinkle428 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
24. I made phone calls begging my representatives to vote NO on that bill... |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. I did too...and was told by DU that it was a good thing it passed |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. A lot of us did. n/t |
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ORDagnabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
5. This Sieg Heil Defense cannot stand! the common person just wont buy it. |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:30 PM Original message |
A defense requires a venue in which it can be raised |
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QueenOfCalifornia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
6. Unfortunately |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. No, the law is not on their side. No one can give themselves immunity for a crime. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
7. Can someone give themselves immunity for a crime they committed? |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. I would tend to agree |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. The CIA was a part of the executive branch, Bush was the Chief Executive... |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Here's how |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. I'm not talking about international law. Under our own constitution... |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. The government does a lot of illegal things |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #18 |
35. and if they get away with it... |
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Independent_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Like they'll probably actually use a nuclear weapon against a country the next time. |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 06:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. I assume I'm one of the people you're talking about. |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. But the whole thing is predicated on international law (Common Article 3) according to SCOTUS |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #15 |
29. Here's a Washington Post article on the changes enacted under the MCA |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
8. What about a civil trial? As in O.J.? |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. What would be the grounds for a civil suit? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. For any Americans, same as in Rodney King -- abrogation of civil rights. |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:30 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. It's called a Bivens action, and I'm searching for something on it... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. I seem to remember something about people losing a private right of action. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Did you hear that in connection with the torture issue? n/t |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
11. I knew that when Cheney was on the teevee last fall |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
23. You are correct. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
27. I have to believe that at some point, the people who were tortured |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. no they won't |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. But, it needn't originate here, Nadin. Fujimori just got 25 years in Peru. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. It will not. At this point I am convinced that those who |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
31. never mind |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:46 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. No he didn't - Nay on S.3930 |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. wow, sorry |
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Independent_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
37. You want to concede defeat, fine. I'll fight for justice for the rest of my life if I have to. |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
43. Wrong. The act is unconstitutional, as it violates the Convention Against Torture. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
44. Somehow it just doesn't seem right that Lynndie England |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
45. If that's the case, looks like it's a wrap. |
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