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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:46 PM Original message |
So much for hope. Robert Gates: We may NEVER change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
1. They won't, but we will. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I was assured this would take place in january. :( |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. I am sorry Obama lied to you. |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:57 PM Response to Reply #2 |
44. an earlier statement |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
3. Given the military's inability to recruit as many people as it needs, the don't tell part could... |
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JeffreyWilliamson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #3 |
75. Now that's very interesting... |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. I don't know about a media blitz. That's one way to run it, I supposed. I think a good way. |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
4. Who cares what he says? Its up to Congress to pass it. And I'm sure Obama will sign it |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
5. I wonder if the percentage of military |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. We won WWII with gays in the military. Hell, we didn't have 'under God' in the pledge either. |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Discrimination pisses me off. n/t |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Go with it, my friend. And, how does one prove they're straight? |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. LOL.... |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
6. IT'S ONLYY A TOO MINUTE PRAYER!!1!!!!1!! |
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jtrockville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
7. Fine. Don't change it. But apply it to ALL equally. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
49. Then you still have the problem I raised. |
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jtrockville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:13 AM Response to Reply #49 |
66. What's good for the goose.... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. If you marry right now, you ARE telling. You are telling a Clerk of Courts. |
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jtrockville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. You're right - there'd be mutiny if done elsewhere. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. They pay women more if they have a family, too. The dividing line is |
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hendo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
9. Clinton was such a great guy, wasn't he? Worst policy ever. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:22 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. He didn't write it. He tried to do better but Obama supporters Sam Nunn and Colin Powelll |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. It wasn't his fault. It was Sam Nunn's fault |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:33 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. I still remember John Warner and him being filmed talking to sub sailors about it. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:36 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. And that ratfink idiot Dan Coats. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. Yes, I remember Nunn and Warner taking great pains to point out to the reporters |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Dan Coats would be in the sub leading the questions... |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. It's true about subs. I am regularly on a subvets' BBS and the most rt. wing cranks of them... |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:13 AM Response to Reply #9 |
54. I guess you don't know much about Don't Ask Don't Tell |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 06:36 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. I'm finding that we have a lot of posters who were in diapers in the 90s |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:23 AM Response to Reply #9 |
61. Clinton did what he could -- he wanted (and tried very hard) to allow gays to serve |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
10. The military had started integrating under FDR, actually. Even the Navy. They knew... |
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tuvor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
12. Wait a minute, Bluebear...Gates does not say the words you've attributed to him. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. /ignore |
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tuvor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. Ignored for noting your sneaky punctuation? For reading the source you provided... |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
18. If you put something in quotes, are saying the person made that statement? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. OK your quotes are gone. Now, "are saying" something about his statement? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
19. You have to dump DOMA first. Why? Because if you allow gays to serve openly, |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:40 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. Well, Obama is against gay marriage. His spokesman did say he would repeal DADT though. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #26 |
47. But pull the string--you really can't do one without the other. |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
21. Why would any GLBT person want to join the military of a country... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
51. It's a job where they can gain a lot of skills and travel, that's why. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 08:28 AM Response to Reply #51 |
63. The gay and lesbian people I know who served |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. I had 4 or 5 kids "out" themselves to get out of the military. |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
25. The hope is piling up in local landfills |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
28. Sounds like you didn't get your pony! |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. It's just poutrage, I realize. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:52 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. You people are just so emotional! n/t |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:52 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Yay, Robert Gates! |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #33 |
68. . |
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countingbluecars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
29. Where does Gates say we may NEVER |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. 'doing so could take years — if it ever happens.' |
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countingbluecars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. He doesn't say those words. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:54 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. "If we do it, it's imperative that we do it right ..." Gates told reporters. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. That's what the AP article claims. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Some folks would rather parse the story and defend Gates. |
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countingbluecars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:54 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Maybe some folks like honesty. n/t |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Yeah, I'm just a big fat lying liar. "IF we do it, it's imperative that we do it right ...": Gates. |
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countingbluecars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:58 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. I never said that. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:00 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Yes, OK, thanks. Night! |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 08:54 AM Response to Reply #45 |
64. My process was different. |
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countingbluecars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:33 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Your process is better. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:26 AM Response to Reply #41 |
62. No, the "If" means "never" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
48. Gay troops will never be integrated into the military ... |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
50. Get to the back of the bus, quit whining. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
52. Gates will probably be gone after 2010 and the next Secretary of Defense will work on it |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:40 AM Response to Reply #52 |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 01:35 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter a whole lot if it happens now or two years from now |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 06:41 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. But in two years they will tell us the midterm elections are coming up, |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:16 AM Response to Reply #60 |
67. If that does indeed turn out to be the case, I will agree |
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dbackjon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #57 |
72. So in the Grand Scheme of things |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. I'm for immediate equality for all Americans |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Problem is we were hoping it would be right fucking now. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. I'm not arguing with those that are saying he will just keep delaying |
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dbackjon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. It is a problem if you are gay and getting dismissed from the military |
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Coffee and Cake (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
53. I think Goldwater said it best. |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:51 AM Response to Original message |
56. This is not about integration of gays, it is about total exclusion from service |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 01:42 AM Response to Original message |
58. So Obama can issue an order. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
69. This SO stupid. I don't think there's a single military in which it's been a problem |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
78. I don't understand what there is to "discuss" at this point. |
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