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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 08:38 AM
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"I am under a lot of pressure to not diagnose PTSD"

"I am under a lot of pressure to not diagnose PTSD"

A secret recording reveals the Army may be pushing its medical staff not to diagnose post-traumatic stress disorder. The Army and Senate have ignored the implications.

Editor's note: Last June, during a medical appointment, a patient named "Sgt. X" recorded an Army psychologist at Fort Carson, Colo., saying that he was under pressure not to diagnose combat veterans with post-traumatic stress disorder. Listen to a segment of the tape here (at link).

By Michael de Yoanna and Mark Benjamin


April 8, 2009 | FORT CARSON, Colo. -- "Sgt. X" is built like the Bradley Fighting Vehicle he rode in while in Iraq. He's as bulky, brawny and seemingly impervious as a tank.

In an interview in the high-rise offices of his Denver attorneys, however, symptoms of the damaged brain inside that tough exterior begin to appear. Sgt. X's eyes go suddenly blank, shifting to refocus oddly on a wall. He pauses mid-sentence, struggling for simple words. His hands occasionally tremble and spasm.

For more than a year he's been seeking treatment at Fort Carson for a brain injury and post-traumatic stress disorder, the signature injuries of the Iraq war. Sgt. X is also suffering through the Army's confusing disability payment system, handled by something called a medical evaluation board. The process of negotiating the system has been made harder by his war-damaged memory. Sgt. X's wife has to go with him to doctor's appointments so he'll remember what the doctor tells him.

But what Sgt. X wants to tell a reporter about is one doctor's appointment at Fort Carson that his wife did not witness. When she couldn't accompany him to an appointment with psychologist Douglas McNinch last June, Sgt. X tucked a recording device into his pocket and set it on voice-activation so it would capture what the doctor said. Sgt. X had no idea that the little machine in his pocket was about to capture recorded evidence of something wounded soldiers and their advocates have long suspected -- that the military does not want Iraq veterans to be diagnosed with PTSD, a condition that obligates the military to provide expensive, intensive long-term care, including the possibility of lifetime disability payments. And, as Salon will explore in a second article Thursday, after the Army became aware of the tape, the Senate Armed Services Committee declined to investigate its implications, despite prodding from a senator who is not on the committee. The Army then conducted its own internal investigation -- and cleared itself of any wrongdoing.

When Sgt. X went to see McNinch with a tape recorder, he was concerned that something was amiss with his diagnosis. He wanted to find out why the psychologist had told the medical evaluation board that handles disability payments that Sgt. X did not, in fact, have PTSD, but instead an "anxiety disorder," which could substantially lower the amount of benefits he would receive if the Army discharged him for a disability. The recorder in Sgt. X's pocket captured McNinch in a moment of candor. (Listen to a segment of the recording here.)

"OK," McNinch told Sgt. X. "I will tell you something confidentially that I would have to deny if it were ever public. Not only myself, but all the clinicians up here are being pressured to not diagnose PTSD and diagnose anxiety disorder NOS {instead}." McNinch told him that Army medical boards were "kick{ing} back" his diagnoses of PTSD, saying soldiers had not seen enough trauma to have "serious PTSD issues."

more...

http://www.salon.com/news/special/coming_home/2009/04/08/tape/
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 08:43 AM
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1. Cost/Risk management, NOT!! remedies, NOT!! Health. nt
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 08:47 AM
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2. K&R
Edited on Wed Apr-08-09 09:21 AM by Solly Mack
Said it was happening a while back.....that PTSD is being called anything else but what actually is

Glad there's a tape, at least.

Having PTSD can put you on the non-deployable list....less troops being diagnosed (honestly) means more troops going back (with their untreated conditions)

A search will bring up articles going back for several years
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sammytko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 08:53 AM
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3. but if he gets discharged, the VA steps in and provides the services
He will probably get 100% disability from the VA.

I just helped my Vietnam vet BIL get his upped to 80%. Now he's going for 100, which he clearly needs. he was just going about it the wrong way. i followed the doctors' evaluation sheets that are available on-line and told him if you have this this this - this is what you will get. he went to his exam and told them what he had and voila - not less than 2 weeks he had his increase. He did have all the symptoms, he just wasn't articulating them correctly to the doctors.

with 100% VA disabilty, he gets a military id card and so do his dependents. He also gets full dental coverage. won't get that if he is retired medically from the military. all moneys are tax free.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:00 AM
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4. Hold on. To deny that PTSD exists is the first crime.
I also have an ex b-i-l who gets major disability from his year in VN. He too needs it. But for a doctor to be told PTSD 'shouldn't' be diagnosed when that's clearly what's wrong is a big problem to me.

Our country put these people in a position where they got this. Now they don't want to own up to it?
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sammytko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:05 AM
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5. heres the link to the evaluation list
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sammytko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:07 AM
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6. heres a link to all the disorders the VA looks at
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:09 AM
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9. Thanks for the links, but you're not addressing the fact that
the VA doesn't want to 'discuss' PTSD, which is what the article is about.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:38 AM
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14. Following the links for PTSD provided, and reading what is there is
very interesting. Talk about pressure not to diagnose PTSD! It's there.
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sammytko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 12:11 PM
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19. A chronic adjustment disorder can rate at 100%
here is the link to the doc's checklist and ratings.

http://www.warms.vba.va.gov/bookc.html#q

Go to mental disorders at the bottom. It brings up a word doc listing the rating percent you get for each disability.

The soldiers have to know their regs. like the article said, they refuse to go to the clinic if they get hurt. they don't want to look like wussys. i always told the guys/gals, if you are sick report to the clinic. you'll regret it later when you retire or get out. Everyone has to go through outprocessing and part of that was putting your info together for disabilty ratings. if there is nothing in your med records - no chance of that happening...
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:08 AM
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7. yes, we wouldnt want to keep that money from paying the MERCENARIES
mercenaries are more important then our own troops dont you know.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:09 AM
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8. Warbucks are supposed to go to well-connected contractors
and shareholders. Wars are supposed to be expensive, quick, with little long-term liability.

Cannon-fodder is just that.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:17 AM
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10. K&R #5. I personally know one diagnosed "anxiety disorder" by the VA psych overruling the PTSD by a
non-VA psychiatrist.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:27 AM
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11. Worst, horrible thing they can do. These people are not going to get
better and will act out their frustrations when they start to believe that nobody is listening to them. What happened to the Hypocratic oath?

The military and business ethics has corrupted everything that was once good about this country.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:29 AM
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12. NOS= "not otherwise specified."
In other words, "you have an anxiety disorder, but we can't classify which disorder it is, because your symptoms don't fit any specific category of anxiety disorder."

What a load of bullshit. Shame on the army for this.

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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:32 AM
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13. Isn't that disgusting?! Drs involved in torture, and now misdiagnosing via damage control
Puke
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 11:05 AM
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15. Listening to the tape is what Chenseki should be doing - support the troops right?!!! fuckin BS.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 11:07 AM
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16. You can't pin this on Shinseki; it happened 'last June' while he
Edited on Wed Apr-08-09 11:07 AM by babylonsister
was enjoying his retirement.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 11:10 AM
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17. Dealing with the here and now isn't Shinseki in charge of treatment from returning troops and
do you think he has knowledge of this tape and it's content?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 11:20 AM
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18. He's surely influencing what's going on now, but he can't
fix the past.

This snip is from Gates' new defense budget plan. I wouldn't be surprised if Shinseki had something to do with it but am sure they're all aware of the Vets and the failures of the system.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_04/017631.php

Gates puts a lot of emphasis on doing things for the troops -- research on topics like traumatic brain injury, support for spouses and child care, housing.
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