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eeyore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:29 AM Original message |
Maybe Michigan needs to stop its dependency on the auto industry. Is there anything left to lose? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
1. Why is all this rightwing crap tolerated here? nt |
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eeyore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Did you read my post at all? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Yep. Rightwing apologia, recycled from the NAFTA debate. nt |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. SO what do you think should happen? Mods lock the post? Ban the member? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. I think I did what I thought should happen: called him on his RW bs. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
65. Wasn't NAFTA supposed to be the big savior for Michigan? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Is that a joke? We opposed it tooth and nail. nt |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #68 |
77. It was an unfunny joke on the part of the NAFTA partisans |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:14 PM Response to Reply #3 |
72. So economic diversity is right wing? Interesting. |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
67. It's liberal to restrict American manufacturing? |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:15 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. Restrict it how? |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. when you go all the way to the right of the clock |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. What the hell is a "social libertarian"? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. A rightwinger who was forced out of the Puke party by fundies. nt |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #9 |
19. noam chomsky |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #19 |
31. Yeah, my neighbor down the street would love live in that society |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #19 |
70. I think the order you put those words in has an impact on the meaning... nt |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. It's hard to take a "libertarian" argument seriously when it does not mention the TRILLIONS |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #12 |
22. "pounding sand down a rat hole" |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. I wonder if eeyore feels that the trillions to Wall Street are "sustainable"? |
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eeyore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #27 |
35. Wall Street is fucked. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. If $3 trillion of taxpayer $$$ (no strings attached) is "fucked", I'm reaching for the KY. nt |
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eeyore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #38 |
44. Fucked as in beyond disgusting. |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. We have been diversifying |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Yes, "we should try reforming the manufacturing economy towards sustainability" |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. It's an empty platitude most frequently deployed by advocates of globalization. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. No, it isn't. "Sustainability" is usually an anti-globalization, pro-environmentalist buzzword. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. The OP uses the language of the Left to justify the economic program of the Right. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. I don't think it's that clear. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:47 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. The OP is suggesting free market fundamentalism as the answer to Detroit's problem |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Where are you getting free markets? He's referencing times when |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. He's talking about letting GM fail, dullard. nt |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:53 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. From a preposterously left-wing perspective. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. The OP uses the language of the Left to justify the economic program of the Right. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:24 PM Response to Reply #43 |
74. We heard you first time. Still bullshit. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:25 PM Response to Reply #37 |
75. Sez you. Others don't see it that way. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
4. Oregon has one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation right now |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. add in casinos to the bad economic strategies of the west |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Ug, dont remind me. Yeah, that casino in Coos Bay sure turned that town into San Francisco overnight |
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eeyore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #4 |
26. Were you here in the mid 80s? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #26 |
45. Yes I was |
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eeyore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. I can't deny that Oregon is in a rough economic time. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 12:30 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. A lot of these creative industries are only possible, because there is so much... |
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ogneopasno (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
7. Advocating a huge shift from a strong manufacturing economy to a service economy is disingenuous. |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
10. So the solution is to rely on the corporate robbers of the Service industry? |
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eeyore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #10 |
28. How about diversifying? |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #28 |
76. Silly eeyore. If we have multiple gods, how will we know which ones to worship? |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
15. What will these future generations be driving? nt |
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eeyore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #15 |
30. Who knows? |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. "Maybe nothing at all" |
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eeyore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:53 AM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Honesty, I have no idea. |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #34 |
61. there was a time before cars. |
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angstlessk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
16. this is more about saving the manufacturing base than the auto industry per se... |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #16 |
64. The washing machine maker took off for China. |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
18. They're trying |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
58. It's not a foregone conclusion |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
20. Well they do have a great football program at big blue. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Not right now they dont |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #23 |
60. They just need a better coach... |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
33. I'm glad you've decided for us |
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eeyore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #33 |
47. I'm not being critical, just asking an honest question |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Well, you were being critical |
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eeyore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Perhaps I wasn't clear... |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #47 |
66. When GM and Chrysler go under, |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
39. First of all, the auto industry doesn't just involve Michigan, |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. What MadHound said. |
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eeyore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. A manufacturing base is a fantastic thing... |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 12:10 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Oregon's manufacturing base consists of.... |
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eeyore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. You need to come to Portland |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Ive been to Portland, Ive also been to... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Which is why we need to revive ours |
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tech3149 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
50. It might not be to the focus of your post but you just can't have |
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eeyore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. You exactly got my point. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
62. eeyore, several posters have given you testimony to the |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
63. yeah. The rest of the country is cutting the auto makers loose. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
69. True for Michigan and many other areas of the country - time to move on... |
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shugah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
71. maybe you need to get a clue |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
78. "It'll be rough for a generation" .... are you planning to go there to help the |
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