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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 03:24 AM Original message |
"Battle in Seattle" |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 03:25 AM Response to Original message |
1. My hubby was involved |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 03:33 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Thats for sure |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
51. Yep, I was there too. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
91. i was involved from the riot cop side |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 03:32 AM Response to Original message |
2. I lived through it. |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 03:40 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. In 1999 |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 03:54 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Frankly, I didn't either, until they met here. I didn't understand what |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 03:58 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. I first heard about the WTO |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 03:59 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Agreed. |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:04 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. I learned more from movies |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:13 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Thanks. I didn't go see the movie when it was playing here. |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:19 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. I put off watching it for a few days |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #5 |
54. Some things to remember when you're freaking out |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:48 PM Response to Reply #54 |
79. Pardon me, but I wasn't "freaking out". |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 12:07 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. OK, fair enough |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #54 |
92. and i was smack dab in the middle from the riot cop side |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #92 |
100. Well, I watched the police |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. what i saw |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. Plenty of videos of the violent police behavior |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. i've seen plenty of the videos |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. immensely restrained? |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 02:20 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. that is complete crap |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. It's all on video. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. sorry |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #111 |
114. I linked to bunch in my previous post. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. yes, people can |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Which part of "no protester violence or vandalism |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. except its crap |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #117 |
124. cops desperately PLEADING for help as their lines were overrun |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. ooooh how special |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #107 |
120. well since both of you were in the middle, let me put in my two cents worth... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 06:35 AM Response to Reply #2 |
12. how many windows *was* that? cause i was there too, & the reality was quite different |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. Gee gosh golly wow! I guess my eyes much have totally deceived |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. People who witnessed it |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. i witnessed it. it didn't. |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Its interesting |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. i think if you were to go into more depth, you'd find the accounts aren't so divergent |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
52. That's really a big exaggeration. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #23 |
75. I was there (WTO). Anyone saying it looked like Beruit is a liar. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. you may have seen boarded-up windows. did you go in to see if the glass was broken? |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #24 |
43. Just seems you are wearing rose colored glasses, that nothing happened |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 03:30 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. something happened, definitely. but that something wasn't anarchists |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. I was right there the whole time and I can back up |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
26. I'm a Seattle native |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. i'm a renton native, 4th-generation washingtonian, went to school & worked at uw, boeing, etc. |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #35 |
45. Oh, so now we're going to play the "one-up game"? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. you started the one-up game. your friend didn't die at the wto protests. |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #47 |
58. No, he just got beaten by several anarchists |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. i'm talking about your friend on the police force. you said he was dead. |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 05:37 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Well, you were so interested in documentation, I'm sure that would have been the next question |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. preliminary search with "bus driver" beaten seattle wto turns in no reports of bus drivers |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:59 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. Actually you do. If you make claims like that. |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 12:21 AM Response to Reply #62 |
82. Interesting you should say that |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Your friend was part of the police force on Capitol Hill that night? |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. I wasn't on Capitol Hill that night |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. my relative (by marriage) is on spd & was part of the capitol hill thing. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
27. Yup. Talking to friends in it, family there, watching on tv from here, I agree. |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
64. The "anarchists" were undercover cops - aka agent provocateurs |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:46 PM Response to Reply #64 |
78. Proof? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 06:29 AM Response to Original message |
11. It delegitimized liberal and anti-war protests for years afterward. nt |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 06:36 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. no, it didn't. it shook up some of the ptb, though. they took to remote locations, |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 06:41 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. in your eyes |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:32 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Who decides which "liberal and anti-war protests" are legitimate? |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Thank you |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #17 |
29. having friends and family there, I agree with your post also |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. In the DVD extras |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Sounds like Kent State also. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. spd brought in reinforcements from all over the state & the nation well before the event. |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 06:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
66. I haven't seen the DVD, but I saw bad guys with my own eyes-- |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. If you get a chance |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 09:01 AM Response to Reply #67 |
85. Mona Charon was a columnist to the right of Ann Coulter, who showed up on |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. I was living near Kansas City at the time |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #85 |
93. When I Googled her |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
30. "a young "anarchist"'s foot going through a store window" |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Odd, I didn't know my friends and family were such liars. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. i didn't say there was *no* violence. i said a couple of incidents, one being the capitol hill |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. My friend was beaten by cops, thrown into jail, for trying to get past it all |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 03:03 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. my original post on this thread was to another poster who said anarchists took over |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. I guess one's perspective |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #17 |
37. There are |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #17 |
48. Peace Patriot, You depicted it as I remember it |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #17 |
56. Outstanding post PP |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:44 AM Response to Reply #56 |
84. Capitol Hill residents protest was actually a separate event |
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stevedeshazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:03 PM Response to Reply #17 |
73. Your story is very powerful. |
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The Leveller (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
50. That's rubbish |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #11 |
72. What a load of SHIT. |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 02:44 AM Response to Reply #11 |
83. How's that corporate media Kool Aid taste? n/t |
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rampart (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 06:45 AM Response to Original message |
15. anarchists or agents provocateur? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 06:58 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. i was there. the "anarchist" contingent was blown *way* out of proportion by the media, |
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juno jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
18. I saw Nina Hagen perform in Seattle a couple of years ago. |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
21. Great movie |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. It dawned on me that some of the "anarchists" |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
77. Most likely |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 03:03 PM Response to Reply #21 |
41. "The movement morphed into the Iraq War protests" |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Well, that would explain |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:26 PM Response to Reply #41 |
76. I agree, they really did need a new distraction |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 10:19 AM Response to Reply #41 |
87. Yes, the Seattle protests marked the beginning of the end of the WTO, |
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LeFleur1 (973 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Watched on TV |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #89 |
96. Let's be clear |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. "Hindering free movement |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #101 |
121. Semantics |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #121 |
127. Yes, it is just semantics |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #127 |
129. A thought experiment |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:09 PM Response to Reply #129 |
130. Good example |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #130 |
132. That's why I admire those young people |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #132 |
133. You're welcome |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #101 |
126. On the other hand |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #126 |
128. Well, that does seem to sum it up! |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #87 |
95. It all started in Chiapas |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 10:16 PM Response to Reply #95 |
134. You are leaving an important group out: the liberal 'establishment' bureaucrats |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
49. Seattle National Lawyers Guild: Report on WTO Ministerial |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 06:07 PM Response to Reply #49 |
65. Thanks |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 06:24 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. so far, the links I've found to the full NLG report are obsolete |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. "military-like power" not only "military-like". spd got military aid if my memory serves me. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. I read the NLG report when it first came out, and I believe it went in depth |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. From the report in the above post |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #69 |
112. Which is exactly when Power makes the contrary claim |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
60. A small group from Eugene |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #60 |
90. Just want to say something about "anarchism"--a very broad term. |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. Very interesting |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. The black masked anarchists |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Did these Eugene anarchists |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #98 |
105. real? couldn't say |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #105 |
109. I guess you don't have to be "big" |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #105 |
122. 'end to civilization or more precisely, ownership and technology' |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #90 |
99. Word |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 12:09 AM Response to Original message |
81. The one in DC was not televised or recorded in 2005. |
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StreetKnowledge (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
88. I was caught in the middle of it. |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
103. Here's a documentary from the notorious anarchists point of view |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #103 |
113. Thanks |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #103 |
119. Thanks for posting |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #103 |
131. Precious quote |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
118. I definitely will have to put that on my list - I haven't seen it either. |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #118 |
123. It was really a good movie |
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