Lou Dobbs laments the lack of "European" immigrant-wannabees

[SoCalDem]

Here's a clue, Lou..

"European" white people don't want to move here and become citizens because:

they like the higher wages in Old Europe
they like the socialized health care
they like the liberal paid vacations there
they like the guaranteed old age benefits
they like their union jobs
they like the good public transportation
they like the free (or nearly free) university opportunities
they like the "redundancy"/unemployment benefits

even though years of destructive political leaders have tried to ruin their systems, they know they still have a better chance there.. and with the EU in place, they can come and go freely throughout most of Old Europe..

What could they expect here?

Not as much as they have now..

America is a magnet to desperate people...that's why we don't get as many "Europeans" these days..

When we finally awaken and see the light, we might be able to change things so that not only the truly desperate will come here,but until that happens, things will not change.

[Vexatious Ape]

1. I wish you could get on the show and tell him just that.

His jaw would drop to the floor.

[Sapere aude]

2. Hell, the stupid among us try so hard to be so unlike the EU it's funny because they are always

voting against their own best interests. Does it make sense to be willing to pay taxes to rebuild schools and infrastructure and bring democracy to Iraq all the will supporting people who are destroying democracy here and refuse to build schools and infrastructure here?

[JuniperLea]

3. At this point...

I'm mad as hell at my ancestors for ever leaving the foggy banks of Great Britain!

All the Brits I've ever discussed this stuff with started out complaining about the wait for a doctor or how they can only make 80% "on the dole" when unemployed... and after I tell them what's what here, they went home waving the Union Jack!

[LSK]

4. Europeans now actually have MORE civil rights

[tocqueville]

5. this is why, Lou and not only for the welfare state....

most of world growth in the past 5 years took place in Europe as demonstrated in the above graph, which comes form unimpeachable sources...

read more here :

http://www.investinfrance.org/France/Newsroom/News/news_2007-03-28_en.pdf

[SoCalDem]

6. Yep.. the EU is where it's all "happening" these days, and the young people are optimistic there

they WANT to be there.. They may come here to vacation, but they don't want to LIVE here..

[europegirl4jfk]

26. I guess that's right

As much as I love your country for vacation - and I have been to the USA twice in the last six month - I would never ever think about moving there. I lived in Germany and France, and yes, we have a lot of trouble here as well. But it's still better than what's going on in your country right now. My daughter loved her year as an exchange high-school student in California but for college she prefers to stay in Europe and will go to the UK this fall.

[Gabi Hayes]

7. France! that's where that info comes from. I don't believe it. furthermore,

the Paris Business Review has some statistics that refute the ones you cite

USA number ONE!

[tocqueville]

17. Another source then...

Projection EU 2007 = 13,840,833
Projection USA 2007 = 12,980,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union

The graph I showed comes from another source than the original article

anyway even with similar growth, the working conditions (health etc..) are far better in the EU than in the US. So why should people move to the US ? Besides there is very little coloured emigration from the EU to the US for mainly two reasons. The coloured people are in a minority in Europe (maybe 6-7%) and concentrated in areas with the highest welfare (UK, France, Spain, Italy).

tO be fair the blog (http://www.eurotrib.com/) which is my source quotes the following :

"International comparisons of economic growth also rely on exchange rates.
In the last 5 years, Europe was not the growth-centre of the world and the
strength of the euro probably depressed some European exports. But the
EU market nevertheless added nearly €1.5 trillion to its value between 2001
and 2006. Because the euro increased in value, this expansion amounts to
US$6 trillion. In comparison, the USA added US$3 trillion, China and India
together added US$2 trillion and Japan added less than US$0.3 trillion over
the same period."

so much of the difference has to do with exchange rates, thus the difference in size of the bars.

[heidler1]

39. Hey the proofs in the pudding. If they quit comming there must be a reason.

[mudesi]

8. Spot on (nm)

[Hekate]

9. Well said. Did you send him that? Only the desperate come in large numbers...

When the ancestors of today's Euro-Americans came here it was in steerage or even in coffin-ships, because conditions at home were awful. Persecution, starvation, pogroms, illiteracy, continuous warfare -- "lack of opportunity" doesn't even begin to cover it.

Why the heck would modern Europeans bother?

It's Mexicans and other Latin Americans who are experiencing the kind of desperation that drives mass numbers to leave home.

Silly Lou.

Hekate

[Marie26]

10. Wait, I thought he only cared

about illegal immigration, not where immigrants were from? So why is he suddenly bemoaning the lack of white immigrants? Because that's what he really cared about all along. Dobb's hatred of immigrants is based on a racist fear & hostility toward anyone with a different skin color. And he straight-up admitted it.

[SoCalDem]

12. Yep.. he let some of the "code" slip..

to republicans/reactionaries:

illegal immigrant = Mexican/dark skinned
crime/criminal = black
Islamo-fascist = arabic descent
family values = white, male, 50's sitcom mentality
pro-life = women who "know their place"
right-to-work = right to pay shitty wages, and fire at will
state's rights = right to ignore what the rest of the country thinks or what's legal
Christian = right to belittle anyone who is NOT

[Marie26]

15. But he was so good with the code!

Dobbs was the master of code language, so both he and his supporters could deny the real reasons for their positions. He's really slipping.

[Spazito]

11. Geez, he is being less and less coy about his REAL bias

it's not illegal immigrants so much as it is the color of the skin of immigrants, legal or otherwise.

His racist bigotry is showing more and more, imo.

[MasonJar]

13. If the elitist had no stolen the election in Mexico, we would not have

them entering any more either. South America is getting its act together and Mexico will soon follow.

[SoCalDem]

14. I wish that Mexico would get its act together. It's a beautiful country

with so much to offer, and it makes me sad to see how one corrupt leader after another has ripped its heart out..

[BlooInBloo]

31. ROFLMAO! That's colonization for ya.

EDIT: Followed by hegemonic-banana-republicization.

But yah - i TOTALLY wish those lazy bastards would "get their act together" too.

:rofl:

[madrchsod]

16. lou has`t been in certain neigborhoods in chicago

and other large cities in the usa. there are a lot of illegals from eastern europe and russia....

[Marie26]

18. You're thinking rationally,

not racially.

[SoCalDem]

21. lou's the type who looks at a crowd, and automatically counts the dark faces

he would not even "see" the Russians...because they "look like us"..

he's a racist..through and through, and has found a clever ruse to disguise it.. If someone defends the "immigrants", they are supporting "illegal activities" and are not to be trusted..

It's the same technique they used to flip the abortion issue. By claiming the "pro-life' angle, anyone who opposes them, becomes "anti-life"..:grr:

and our leaders LET them claim these stances..

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

23. That's true. I happen to live in one of those areas.

Obviously Lou and the rest of his ilk, don't have a problem with illegal white, European residents. Total hypocrisy...

[Selatius]

19. West Europeans can expect lower standard of living and less political freedom here.

That's what they can expect. There is less investment in health care, public infrastructure, and public education. There is very little mass transit but a lot of roads with a lot of gridlock.

There is less political freedom in the American system because they would find they can only choose one of two parties, and if they voted for a third party, they would be blamed for "Naderating" the vote, and they would find the US government under Bush is trampling freedoms.

Also, if I'm an East European or a Russian, why travel to the US when the EU is just around the corner?

[BlooInBloo]

20. It has nothing to do with race though. Just keep saying it. Over and over. And over.

[malaise]

22. That is beautifully stated n/t

[SoCalDem]

27. Thanks.. People sometimes mistake Lou for an "ordinary" guy

but he's just a MONEY guy.. His old show (before this one) was a finance show. He's all about making money..but underneath that, he's still a racist.

he would not mind
illegals" one bit, if they were all 20 yr old males who were kept under lock and key when they were not mowing his lawn or rotating his tires...BUT what boils his bile is when they DARE to get married and have babies..

It's about the FREEEEEEE services they get.. He KNOWS they are not "taking jobs from Americans".. Not many people are lining up to trim palm tree fronds, or to pick lettuce or to plant strawberries.

poor ole Lou is probably quite conflicted.. The BIG GUYS "need" the semi-slave labor to keep their profits high, but dammit, those "slave-laborers" sometimes want a family and they want to move up that ladder... the ladder that's plainly marked (in Lou's eyes) "Whites Only"

[Celeborn Skywalker]

33. I have to call bullshit on one part of your post.

You state that "Not many people are lining up to trim palm tree fronds, or to pick lettuce or to plant strawberries". I contend that's because the current greedy-ass employers pay only slave wages. American citizens would do these jobs if they paid fair wages. This, of course, is not the immigrants fault, but the employer's.

[SoCalDem]

34. Bullshit is such a harsh word.. I agree with you !

:)

The employers are the PROBLEM

I agree wholeheartedly.

I favor every employer having to pay a $10K "deposit" for each employee hired.

If the employee passes muster (paper-wise), the deposit is refunded..If it does NOT, his business is CONFISCATED, and he is jailed (THE BOSS) for 1 year.

Drug dealers get their stuff confiscated and they go to jail.

Why is human "trafficking" not punished equally ?

:hi:

[Celeborn Skywalker]

35. Lol, sorry it sounded harsh.

Definitely didn't mean it to be! It seems we are in agreement with who's really at fault in this whole debacle.

[malaise]

36. I can't listen to Lou

He panders to the worst aspects of jingoism.

[The Backlash Cometh]

24. Ha,ha,ha. European illegal immigrants. Lou Dobbs thinks they don't

exist? What a joke.

[zbdent]

25. Not to mention those beaches ...

:):):):):D

[Colobo]

28. Lou doesn't want "darkies" coming in... he wants "whities" coming in...

[KoKo]

29. I can't watch him anymore. He creeps me out...weird, bizarre in his views.

and that co-hort Kitty Pilgrim who fills in for him seems to be a wannabe Nazi....

I used to like some of his stuff and figured the rest was just Libertarian Hogwash...but, he's truly become evil to me.

I'm sure I've lost my sense of humor somewhere in the past few years ...but anything he says just grates.

[GreenPartyVoter]

30. Did you email this to him?

[SoCalDem]

32. I sent it, but don't hold your breath to see him read it

:)

[indepat]

37. 'pukes have made certain Amurikkka does not have what European "white" people like about the EU

[SoCalDem]

38. Those Yurpeans would demand unions & high wages if they came here

and that would never do.. and they would demand real vacations & paid maternity leave for Mom AND Dad