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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 11:58 PM
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As Florida economy crumbles the religious right files ultrasound bill again.
This time it is for women in the first trimester. Never mind the fact that doctors are supposed to prescribe such tests. There is already a law that women must have an ultrasound before an abortion in the 2nd trimester. Now they want to carry it further. It is a form of harassment of women, and it takes away the rights of doctors as well.

Bill On Abortion Ultrasound Requirement Is Back

TALLAHASSEE - Lawmakers are plunging back into the contentious debate over whether the state should compel ultrasounds for women seeking abortions.

The bill, which comes this year from Rep. Anitere Flores and Sen. Andy Gardiner, sparked some of the most emotional discussion of the 2008 legislative session, ultimately passing the House but falling short in the Senate.

This year's bill closely resembles last year's version and would require abortion clinics to perform ultrasounds for women seeking an abortion in the first trimester. Abortion doctors would have to show and explain the ultrasound to the women unless they signed a form declining the option.

Florida requires doctors who terminate pregnancies in the second trimester to do an ultrasound, but they do not have to review them with the patient.


Here's the really ugly part. A woman will have to PROVE she was raped or PROVE it was incest to be exempt from this law. That is punishing the victim.

The bill has several exceptions, including if women can prove they have a medical condition necessitating the abortion or their pregnancy resulted from rape, incest, domestic violence or human trafficking.

That doesn't satisfy the Florida Coalition Against Domestic Violence, which told members of a House health care panel that a majority of rape and incest victims do not report the crime to authorities.


They pulled the same thing in April of last year. It prompted a scathing cartoon from Chan Lowe.


With all the serious problems this state has, the Republican-dominated legislature always manages to find the time to address this subject in an election year. Gay marriage, in recent years, has become another reliable vote-getter. It's one of those amazing natural phenomena that the fate of the unborn and the sanctity of heterosexual marriage never seem to be under threat in years that end with odd numbers.
From the Sun Sentinel


Ultrasound bill from last year

Getting to be a habit.

TALLAHASSEE (FBW) – The Senate Health Regulation Committee approved legislation requiring ultrasounds prior to an abortion on a largely party-line, 4-3 vote April 8, with one Democrat supporting the bill and one Republican in opposition.

Sponsored by Sen. Daniel Webster (R-Winter Garden), a member of First Baptist Church of Central Florida in Orlando, a similar bill, HB 257, was approved by the Florida House of Representatives on April 2.

“Now, if you’re afraid of the facts or afraid of the truth than you’re going to hide that. I don’t want to hide it; I want it to be available,” Webster said of ultrasounds that vividly show the growing life in the womb.

Noting that Florida’s informed consent law already requires ultrasounds be performed on pregnant women and girls seeking abortions in the second and third trimester, Webster rhetorically asked, “what’s the difference between the last six months and the first three? It’s just a matter of where that fetus in the development is. And this is an opportunity to see first hand. … This is better information than a piece of paper.”


That quote is from the Florida Baptist Witness, the official newsletter of the Florida Republicans.

Women in Florida may soon have to have an ultrasound before they can get an abortion. It is already nearly impossible here with all the restrictions. Now in addition to the ultrasound, rape victims must have proof of their assault if they want to forego the ultrasound.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 12:00 AM
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1. Add to the list of things to potentially sicken me about my (our) state.
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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 07:21 PM
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19. FUC*K The Ultrasound! If State Requires it Then The STATE Should Pay For IT!
!!! :think:
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MadLabrador Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 12:02 AM
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2. Sad
As a Floridian, though, I am not surprised.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 12:06 AM
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3. Obama was a strong enough candidate to win the general election
but our state party heads are questionable at best, and this is why we have to deal with the loonies in the capitol. I'm anti-abortion but pro-rights, and since it's inside of the body, I believe people have a right to decide, no matter how much I hope for the least amount of abortions possible and to see these people with the FL Baptist Witness push this stuff is disgusting. I wish we could find out who in their family has had them, but I know that would be horribly wrong to the ladies, but what I'm saying is they're hypocrites.

God help us in FL! We went blue, let's go reallllly blue!
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 12:35 AM
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4. Aren't these the same folks who say we're all getting unnecessary tests and procedures? n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 10:38 AM
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5. The same ones whose ideology politics have ripped our state apart.
Yes, they are the same.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 11:11 AM
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7. And who are against government interference in people's personal lives
Yeah, it makes slightly less than no sense.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 10:45 AM
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6. Time for another bloody tampon campaign!
Remember the attempt in Virgina to
make it a crime to not REPORT a
miscarriage?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/11/0146/66450
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 11:21 AM
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8. Won't this increase health care costs?
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 12:38 PM
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9. You good people sure have your hands full in that State
:argh:
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 02:34 PM
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10. K&R The Republicans and some Dems are relentlessly stupid. nt
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 02:55 PM
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11. Aaaand, it gets better. A first trimester ultrasound is done *transvaginally*.
Attached to the end of the long arm of the Law is the cold, probing finger of the Law.


:scared:


:grr:

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 05:49 PM
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12. Wow, Florida's Sun Sentinel blasts this bill. Calls it "ugly" effort by pro-life groups.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/opinion/sfl-editnbsonogramsbmar28,0,3476221.story

"Just when you thought it was safe to go back to legislative debate over real issues, the ideologues are back, reviving an effort to require by law that women seeking an abortion get an ultrasound first.

It was an ugly proposal that went down in defeat just last year when the Florida Senate deadlocked in a divisive 20-20 tie. Now, the House Health Care Regulation Policy Committee has resuscitated a similar bill in a party-line vote, arguing that it's the right thing to do to meddle in a woman's medical decisions in the name of "information."

Bunk. Let's call this what it is: an overt attempt by pro-life forces to make it more difficult for women to get abortions. Is the state going to start requiring that men get a colonoscopy after the age of 50, or women get mammograms after they hit 40? Those exams are proven to save lives. But it's not law because it's none of government's business how citizens choose to get informed when making medical decisions. Abortion should be no different.

..."To make the ultrasound provision more palatable, the bill proposes that, while women must have the exam — unless they can produce a restraining order to back up claims of incest or rape — they don't have to review the "live images" as they move on the screen if they sign a written waiver. But the doctor would be required to provide information on fetal development.

If the woman doesn't want the information, or the costly exam, and the doctor does not believe it is medically necessary, it shouldn't be forced on her."

Read it all. Very good editorial.
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liberal1973 Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 06:41 PM
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14. These pro-lifers are nuts
These pro-lifers are always nuts. Their efforts are always ugly.

The American taliban.:evilgrin:
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 06:40 PM
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13. Love the fetus ..hate the child...
Edited on Sat Mar-28-09 06:40 PM by lib2DaBone
Right To Lifers don't want to hear about health care or housing. As long as you plop that kid out.. if he dies in a back alley without health care or food.. the Republican Fundies could care less.

Ever try to get your kids ear infection treated or Chicken Pox treated without health insurance? No one will talk to you .. no one cares. And now, to add to the misery index.. they want to Drug Test the Parents if they receive any type of welfare or unemployment.

Brilliant... Just Fucking Brilliant!
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 07:08 PM
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15. Why do christofascists hate women? n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 09:47 PM
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16. This week a FL right wing senator filed a bill to protect teachers from evolution.
Edited on Sat Mar-28-09 09:49 PM by madfloridian
Not the first time.

They tried it before several times.

When the economy is in dire straits, they fall back on their old stand-bys...abortion and evolution.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/mar/28/na-anti-evolution-bill-still-a-fruitless-exercise/
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 12:18 AM
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17. Near as I can see the only ones "protected" against evolution
Are the Right Wing. They've successfully resisted it at least since Australopithecus .
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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 07:19 PM
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18. The Fascist Religinistas Had ALL The Power To ELIMINATE Abortion For The Past 8 Years!
So WHY Did they NOT get rid of it? Because they need the WEDGE to incite all the ignoramouses to get out and vote every election year!:think: then :puke:
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 07:22 PM
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20. Gah! Get out of our bodies already! (Don't live in FL but I feel for my sisters down there)
:nuke: x(
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