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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 10:12 PM
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Florida Republicans might reject stimulus cash for jobless.
Federal funds to the tune of $1 billion could extend unemployment benefits to Florida's jobless -- but Republicans say there are too many strings attached.

I hope the people of Florida are furious indeed when they find out about this. From the Miami Herald...site is a little slow loading right now.

Florida might reject stimulus money for jobless

Florida is on the verge of forfeiting more than $1 billion in federal stimulus funds that could help 250,000 Floridians whose unemployment benefits are running out.

The problem: The federal offer for aid comes at a price that many in the state Legislature are unwilling to pay. To receive the money, the state would have to pass a new law widening the pool of people receiving extended unemployment benefits. So far, no legislation has been introduced. The federal government would pick up most of the estimated $776 million cost of providing the extended benefits through December 2009.

But since state agencies and local governments account for about 6 percent of benefit costs, they would be on the hook to pay about $71 million between now and June 30, 2010. Moreover, the federal stimulus only runs through the end of the year. After that, the burden would shift to Florida to pay for the program. That tab could be about $200 million for the second half of the 2009-2010 fiscal year, according to an estimate from the Florida Agency for Workforce Innovation, which oversees unemployment benefits.

...."On Monday, the House leadership sent an e-mail to members telling them how to respond if constituents are upset that the state would turn down more than $1 billion in aid. The e-mail said taking the money now would mean a hardship later for Florida companies that pay into the state's unemployment insurance fund.

''These higher costs on businesses that will directly pay the increased taxes, will force companies to layoff workers, potentially causing more Floridians to lose their jobs,'' the e-mail read. ``As you can see, utilizing the federal money for unemployment compensation is not a silver bullet.''


Sending out letters to tell them how to respond to the outrage from the public. Sounds like they know their ideological purity will carry a price.

Teachers and parents are already up in arms about the fact that Florida may not qualify for the stimulus education money. There's a requirement in the stimulus that education be funded at 2006 levels. Florida's support has dropped to pre-2004 levels.

They must have a waiver from the federal government.

Decision on stimulus money for Florida schools expected soon

WASHINGTON — Florida will learn within the next couple of weeks whether the federal government will release billions of stimulus dollars for the state’s public schools, Education Secretary Arne Duncan said Thursday.

Florida is ineligible for the money because its education funding has declined since 2006. The state and others in its position plan to ask the Education Department to waive that eligibility requirement so it can tap into the stimulus account. Florida stands to receive about $2.7 billion if it gets the waiver. Of that amount, 82 percent, or $2.2 billion, must go toward public education, and the state would have flexibility on how to use the remainder.

“I’ve spent a lot of time with the governor of Florida and the state school chief” on the issue, Duncan said during a newsmaker session in the Washington Bureau of Gannett and USA Today. “The state is working very hard at submitting stuff to us, and we look forward to giving them a response soon.”

Duncan said he understands that the economy and revenue drops have forced many states to slash education budgets.

“What we’re looking for them to show is, if they’re not at 2006 levels, this idea of proportionality, that education isn’t being cut more than other things. That stimulus money is being used as a shell game for something else,” he said.


Dear Mr. Duncan, have you heard about those 42,000 students attending private schools with public tax money?

Many of them attend private religious schools, and so far no accountability testing is required. A bill has been put forth to require testing, but has not passed yet last I heard.

More than two years ago, the state stopped giving tuition vouchers to students who wanted to leave failing public schools for private school. Since then, Florida's other two programs that pay private-school tuition for disabled kids or poor children have grown by 21 percent and 65 percent respectively. Today, 42,000 Florida students attend private school on the public's dime. And a new study touting voucher benefits could trigger more expansion.


Today I read the figure was 43,000.

Charlie Crist and the Republicans in the legislature have known for a while that Florida would not qualify

From February...like that SC governor who wants to use the stimulus to fix the state deficits...that was the thinking here then.

Florida officials want to use some of the federal money to help fill holes punched in the state budget by a sagging economy, but legislative leaders say they still expect more spending cuts no matter how many stimulus dollars the state gets.

Details of Wednesday's deal remained unclear Thursday, including whether Florida might lose education stimulus funds under a provision that requires states to spend at least as much of their own money on public schools this year as they did in 2006. State officials hope U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan will be able to waive that requirement on a case-by-case basis.


I hope the people of Florida hold their feet to the fire on these issues involving the stimulus.

Our Democrats are apparently adopting the policy of letting them fix the mess they got us in, and they have no power here anyway.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 10:18 PM
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1. here we go AGAIN! another damn legislature is being a bunch of a-holes when it comes to the people
who are suffering, but they kiss the ass of industry....

DLKFJLER($##$(#POPO#POIRNM asses.

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 10:22 PM
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2. mr "charter school" duncan will have no problem with religious schools getting the money
the money will be rolling in if the religious schools put charter or academy on the front door
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 10:38 PM
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3. So, what does that make?
Off the top of my head, I remember South Carolina, Alaska, and now Florida, whose Republican governors have made a pious show of declining stimulus money for their citizens in crying need. Seems to me Texas might be on that list, too.

Other states? Where the Republican governor has grandstanded about not accepting that dirty, dirty stimulus money?
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Somawas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 10:44 PM
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4. Don't forget the fine governor of the great state of Louisiana. nt
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 10:45 PM
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5. I don't know if the people of Florida are
actually going to hold their feet to the fire of accountability. After all, just who kept voting these fucking vampire idiots into office in the first place? Too many Floridians have no one to blame but themselves, period. Especially those who voted for Jeb the SECOND time.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 12:21 AM
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6. Good grief
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 11:03 AM
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10. Yep, that's about all there is to say.
Been suspecting it, and Crist won't stand up for doing the right thing.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 12:47 AM
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7. These stupid assholes could be guaranteeing a Democratic majority Nationwide for a generation
let them reject the monies, make our day. You'll see those people getting picketed or dealing with riots while they sit in their comfortable homes. Come the next election day, they'll be out on the street.

Stupid fucks.
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Wildewolfe Donating Member (470 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 01:23 AM
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8. I agree... it will come back to bite them hard...
I just feel sorry for all their constituants that it's going to hurt along the way.
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MonteLukast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 01:27 AM
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9. Why do Republicans hate our children?
They must, if they treat their teachers so badly.
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lenegal Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:45 PM
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22. Republicans hate everyone. Children are no exception
Their only love is lining their pockets from big business.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 11:10 AM
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11. Nearly one tenth of Floridians are out of work.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/2009/03/nearly-onetenth-of-florida-is-out-of-work.html

"TALLAHASSEE -- Nearly 1 in every 10 Floridians is out of work.

Florida’s unemployment rate hit 9.4 percent in February, the state Agency for Workforce Innovation announced Friday. That means 874,000 out of the state's 9.2 million workers have lost jobs.

The unemployment rate is 0.6 percent higher than January's adjusted rate of 8.8 percent, 4.2 percent higher than a year ago, and the highest single month of unemployment since April 1976 when it was also at 9.4 perecent. Florida's unemployment rate was also 1.3 percent higher than the national rate of 8.1 percent.

The agency released the figures with a typically cheerful message attached:

“To help reinvigorate Florida’s economy, Gov. Charlie Crist recently announced the infusion of $165 million in federal economic stimulus funds to directly benefit both job seekers and businesses,” said Agency Interim Director Cynthia Lorenzo in the statement. “These funds will provide critically-needed training and job placement services including summer employment opportunities for young people and assistance for Floridians at One-Stop Career Centers around the state.”

House Republican leaders, though, continue to resist accepting up to $1.1 billion in federal stimulus money meant to expand unemployment benefits to some 250,000 laid-off workers."
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 01:47 PM
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12. Update on states and requirements,, and which will or won't.
Edited on Fri Mar-27-09 01:48 PM by madfloridian
http://moderateinthemiddle.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/stimulus-unemployment-benefits-updateva-fl-me-oh-in/

" …Ohio is one of 13 states plus the District of Columbia that is missing out on federal stimulus funding for extended unemployment benefits. State legislators would have to make a change in the law to make those who have reached the end of their already-extended unemployment benefits eligible for up to 20 more weeks of benefits.

… A provision in the stimulus bill would cover the extension of benefits beyond the first phase of 26 weeks and the second phase of 33 weeks, but that provision kicks in only for states that average more than 6.5 percent unemployment in a three-month period. Those states would receive funding for 13 weeks of benefits, and if the rate clears 8.0 percent for a three-month period, another 7 weeks are available.

…, 16 states and Puerto Rico already qualify for the extended benefits program under one of the program’s provisions: Idaho, Indiana, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Wisconsin, Alaska, Connecticut, Minnesota, North Carolina, and Washington qualify for 13 weeks of benefits.

Oregon and Rhode Island already qualify for 20 weeks of extended benefits. As a result, about 405,000 workers in those states will qualify for extended benefits when their EUC benefits expire between now and June.

States that would have to change law to allow workers to receive the extended benefits besides Ohio are: Alabama, Arizona, California, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Kentucky, Maine, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Missouri, New York, and Tennessee."

There is also a segment about VA already qualifies, but Republicans are trying to change the law. Push is on to get Kaine to agree.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 01:52 PM
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13. Governor Jimbo of Nevada Tried the Same Thing,
but when he found out there would be NO support AT ALL from legislators from either political party of his attempt to screw over the unemployed, he decided to "accept" the stimulus money after all.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 02:58 PM
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14. What does this mean?
Edited on Fri Mar-27-09 02:59 PM by imdjh
"There's a requirement in the stimulus that education be funded at 2006 levels. Florida's support has dropped to pre-2004 levels."

What does this mean in actual numbers?

I must say that I'm torn between who to be angry with in Florida. We voted to cut our taxes because we wanted the government to cut the spending. So what do they do? They try to punish us for voting for a tax cut by cutting spending in the ways which hurt the most people, presumably those who voted for the tax cuts. The governor of Texas announced that he wanted to ensure that 65% of school expenditures actually went to teaching. I'd be very surprised if Florida spends anywhere near that percentage on actual teaching. I don't mean to suggest that we should double the salaries of teachers, they appear to be well paid at this point, or that we should hand out Macbooks to each kid walking through the door, I mean that if cuts are going to be made then we need to look at the ration of nonteaching persons to teaching persons.

Surely a huge amount of money is being spent on transportation. Few kids walk to school now. You rarely see a line of 20 or 30 kids waiting for the bus or getting off one. It sometimes seems as if the busses deliver to the door.

I'm thinking a huge amount of money goes into the rebuilding and renovation budget. Our schools had a huge expansion in the 1970's and now the older schools are, well, old. But is the current bidding process the right way? It seems a person could retire on the profit from one project. Why doesn't the government come up with an accurate cost estimate, and then put it out to see who wants to make a measly million dollars or so. I think someone would do it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 03:20 PM
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15. I will get some stuff together about education here.
And post it here.

But surely you can figure who to be mad at? Republicans control Florida completely.

I think you maybe are not aware that they are trying here to privatize schools.

I will post some stuff here later.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 03:54 PM
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16. Oh, you do realize that 65% Solution you mention is a product of the right wing?
Several groups have covered this issue a lot. It is like a distraction to keep people from realizing how they are harming our schools. It's really a scam.

http://www.educationsector.org/analysis/analysis_show.htm?doc_id=370072

I found this, you need to read it.

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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 05:30 PM
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18. OK, I read it.
The only reason I mentioned the 65% figure is because it's the only figure I saw today on the subject.

So after reading the article you linked, my response would be that what I (as opposed to "most people" since I don't know "most people") would like to know are the specifics. Perhaps most people don't want to know the specifics, but a whole lot of people are questioning the generalities. There is a common perception that there is a boatload of money in the school budget going to "noninstructional" uses. Give the public some credit for knowing that there is more to "instructional" than teachers' salaries. At least give me some credit for it.

So maybe we should be given some specifics by the public schools. Do they really want to do that? Maybe we could get it from the legislature- but the legislature goes straight for teachers and teachers' salaries and retirement costs and "THE UNIONS" when most of us have the basic math skills to multiply 20 or 25 kids by the per pupil expenditure and know that it's not all or even mostly going to the teachers. The Democrats aren't much better, all they can say is that we "need more money for the children", and the public simply isn't buying that anymore.

We need to know what the cost of school construction is. Why would anyone hide that? Because the government-corporate interests have been lying to us about "progress" and "development" for as long as there have been suburban subdivisions. They like to brag about how many people are moving into the area, and never mention that those people will probably never pay for the cost of ramping up services for them. Thats' because, as we all know, only poor people cost more in services than they pay in taxes. American middle class people don't want to be told that they aren't carrying their own load. It's time someone told suburbia how much that new house is really costing.

We need to know the cost of nonschool services. Schools have added services which are definitely not in the role of teaching. I'm sure it seemed like a good idea at the time, but it's really not the job of the schools. They are schools, they are not one-stop care centers, or custodial care centers, or social services centers, or daycare centers.

We need to know the cost of nonteaching personnel, both outside the school and inside the school. My local high school has an enormous administrative staff. When I went to high school, it had a principal, a vice principal, two secretaries, a coach they called "Asst. Vice Principal", a janitor, an asst. janitor, an AV tech, three guidance counselors (plus a secretary for them), and the cafeteria ladies. Now they have something like six vice principals, security staff, a cop, a health clinic, and god knows what in that place. And the kids aren't doing any better than they did before. The high school is generally regarded as having gone downhill. The only thing I can say that they have done right lately is ad a vo-tech curriculum.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 08:57 PM
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23. Here is just a little to answer your questions.
I won't address all your issues, I can't. I will say that most Florida schools are very top heavy with administrators. Many of them need to go. Also I will say that you can't run a school without the other workers you mention. You must have custodial services, you must have guidance people. You are working with people, not products....you need those things.

Bottom line. If a state puts less and less money into public schools, and if they divert funds to charter, magnet, and choice schools....and vouchers...there is little left for resources for the original public schools. Remember that often (most of the time)...these other schools are not required to keep students who don't produce.

Charter schools and vouchers take money from public schools. Then people demand more from public schools as the money is taken away.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/3753

Using disaster capitalism to privatize schools...to turn them into something else. These new schools are not held to the same regulations as public schools, though accountability is sometimes required. There are relaxed standards for hiring teachers, for curriculum, and a chance at indoctrination more than in public schools.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/3773

My tax money in Florida is sending over 43,000 students to private school with vouchers. Yet just as much is demanded of public schools.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/3408

More than 500 teachers to lose jobs in one Florida county. This has not happened before on such a scale.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/3598

The Republicans in Florida have been deliberately defunding schools in the state, and gradually giving out more vouchers even to private religious schools. The courts said no, Florida does it anyway.

When you defund an entity, there is a reason. You can fix things when you are taking money away from them.

The reason is to let the private industry profit from schools....something public schools denied them.

It is called greed.

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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 04:10 PM
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17. What the fuck do republicans care about workers? Workers are useless to republicans if
they are not working for their corporations...republicans of course favors corporations over workers that's republican ideology and that is fact.
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downindixie Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:19 PM
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19. I'm from Alabama,I wonder
where Bob stands on this? I know,but I was born here!
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:29 PM
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20. Nahhh.. no chance. This State is Broke....
The Republicans have so fucked up the State of Florida.. there is no return.

There are no jobs.. and the elderly are leaving for better diggs. (Oh God.. what will Florida's right-wing politicians do without a steady stream of retirement suckers from up North?)

You gotta remember, when no one in the service industry can afford to live here, and the caretakers can no longer afford to wait on the senior citizens... the whole State of FLorida is in a heap of crap.

That is what has happened. The Nurses, CNA's, Firemen, Paramedics, etc... can no longer afford to live in Florida with the abusive corporate tax structure and the Regressive Tax structure which favors the wealthy.

How can an EMT work for $8 an hour when the minimum rent in Naples, Florida is $1,000 a month?

Answer... they can't. No one can.

The Bankster/Gangsters have so screwed up this State that there is no relief in sight.
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lenegal Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:43 PM
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21. Adam Hasner is the State House Majority leader
leading the Republican cabal to not accept stimulus funds for EB.

I have called his office, posted his name all over the Internet.

This man is so concerned that the EB from the stimulus monies will hurt FLORIDA BUSINESSES. Can you believe this fuck?
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