*********OFFICIAL SAMPSON THREAD NUMBER 8******

[bdamomma]

[helderheid]

1. first rec!

[karlrschneider]

2. Thanks. 7 was gettin' a bit ungainly

;-)

[SaveAmerica]

At this rate, we should have 9 at the ready...

[Solly Mack]

3. Pumping it up

[IChing]

At that time Senator I didn't think the white house would do that

using the PA, but it was under consideration to fire all attorneys.

[Solly Mack]

16. at that time....hmmmm

[waiting for hope]

4. Is Specter handing Sampson

his ass to him on a platter?

[spooky3]

6. which USA was in that Arkansas district?

[Spazito]

15. Rove's pick, the one he was pushing on the DOJ and is still

in there as the interim US Attorney.

[waiting for hope]

75. Here:

H.E. “Bud” Cummins, III Former U.S. Attorney Eastern District of Arkansas
Little Rock, AR

[brooklynite]

9. So If I'm following Specter correctly...

...he doesn't mind the firings, he just didn't like being left out of the picking the replacements...

[jayfish]

32. Isn't That The Real Issue Here Anyway?

USAs can be fired at anytime but the WH used the Patriot Act to take oversight away from the Senate?

Jay

[NewJeffCT]

50. No

A lot of issues in play here:

1) Gonzo had promised to the Senate he would not use the Patriot Act provision allowing direct appointment of USAs.

2) Then, Gonzo said they were fired for performance issues, which later turned out to be untrue.

3) Then, they were fired, but they serve at the president's pleasure and it was not for political reasons. Ooops, that was wrong, too.

4) The most serious problem is that with some of the firings, it could be obstruction of justice as some of the fired attorneys were pursuing prominent Republicans.

[Robbien]

52. No. The real issue is USA's were being fired for scummy political reasons

such as Guam's USA being fired because Abramoff said so.

[brooklynite]

59. Not entirelly. The other key legal questions are...

Were any USA's fired with the specific intent of obstructing ongoing or upcoming criminal investigations (eg. Lam's investigation of Cong. Lewis)?

Did members of the White House or Justice Deptment lie or mislead the Congress in terms of the reasons for the dismissal or who was involved?

[jayfish]

97. The lying Part I'll Give You.

I just don't think anything will ever come from the pursuit why they were fired. It might be good for some gotcha moments but other than that...

Jay

[Breeze54]

11. I'd say so!

Spector is getting irritated, me thinks!

[BuyingThyme]

False outrage is the key to Specter's success.

[MadJohnShaft]

24. Why is Spector being so aggressive?

[quiet.american]

44. Good question. n/t

[flyarm]

51. because he was used to put the provision in the patriot act..he knows he was

used ..and he knows now the responsibility lies on his own platter!!

fly

[Breeze54]

5. Kick 5!

Thanks Alyce! You're getting good at this! ;)

[bdamomma]

31. geez, I was trying to do it fast, it's hard keeping up with you guys!!

[deepthought42]

7. Tell a poor cube dweller...

what's going on?

[spooky3]

23. a lot is being asked quickly--here's a little

AS (spector) is asking KS (sampson) if he talked to Gonzalez during the three months the plan was being worked on.

[spooky3]

26. of course KS can't remember--AS "but this was very important"

[deepthought42]

67. Thanks!

It's times like this that I really hate being stuck in an office. There's so much I'm missing out on...and browsing the internet for news isn't always the same. :hi:

[helderheid]

8. this guy is so squirmy and squishy!

[riverwalker]

10. details pleeeze

I am dying here! Feed the cube rats.

[Gregorian]

30. Spector grilling Sampson about

Utilizing the Patriot Act to circumvent the senate to replace us attorneys.

[Sugarcoated]

12. Arlen may disappoint in the end here

but that man has sharp skates

[orleans]

he seemed better when he had no hair

seemed like he actually grew a conscience for awhile there.

hair grows back and he's a regular repuke dick again.

[Cameron27]

13. K&R

Specter continues grilling

[Lasher]

14. I just now got on board. Summary of the hearing so far please?

Pretty please. Looks explosive.

Lasher

Edit: Ninth rec

[Javaman]

18. Selective amnesia by all the repukes coming to testify. nt

[Lasher]

36. But what about Samson? Looks like he'd been spilling his guts.

Publicans invoked a Senate rule to shut the meeting down to shut him up? Are they going to reconvene tomorrow with more Samson testimony?

[Solly Mack]

29. Sampson: "I don't recall. I don't remember. I don't know. I made mistakes"

Leahy: "Yeah, right - whatever dude"
Sessions and Hatch: "What a good guy that Sampson is"

[orleans]

17. why does arlen sound so perturbed that kyle was going to use

arlen's little p.a. provision to fuck over the senate?

i thought arlen enjoyed being fu*ked over by the white house!

[Javaman]

25. because he's in the minority now. not so fun when you can't set the rules. nt

[Democrat 4 Ever]

45. Sampson is insisting that he continued working to dismiss and

replace attorneys under the provision of the Patriotic Act without White House agreement. Specter is actually nailing Sampson's ass to the barn door over this BS. Sampson is "pretending" he was the only one considering using the PA months after the Gonzales, Meirs, et al rejected it. Sampson is trying to convince the committee that he was going to use the PA all by his lonesome to get rid of attorneys. If you believe that I've got the Brooklyn Bridge in some swamp land in Florida to sell anyone who believes that nonsense. He is trying desperately to keep KKKarl, Meirs, Gonzales free and clear - don't think it is going to work. You know you are on shaky ground if you have a repug chewing on your ass.

[Mist]

19. Specter's working on street cred with his hounding of Sampson. Sampson

is expected to fall on his sword. Rethugs hope it won't go any further.

[fooj]

20. Proof that Specter is a wolf in sheep's clothing...

robinlynne posted this the other day...


interesting email on page 21 of part 4:

january 25, 2007
from: Rebecca Seidel to: 10 DOJ people

re: SJC hearing on USA firings
(the first hearing, february 2007)

"just got off the phone with Matt miner on Specter's staff who called to discuss the hearing. He said we will be getting an invite shortly. Has there been further thought on the DOJ witness?
He asked for a few things......

He is organizing a republican amendment strategy so the dems don't divide and conquer. he asked if we have any amendments to please draft and get them to him. I resent him the talking points (as he had given his copy away) he realized we had a lot of info in there.

so specter wants the DOJ to actually write the amendments, and uses their talking points directly. This says to me that he should be relieved of his position in this particular investigation! He is supposed to represent the senate, which is supposed to represent the people. If he gets his words from the people he is supposed to be investigating...
<snip>

He's a f*cking slimebag. He KNOWS that he has been exposed.

I don't trust him for a minute.

[Cameron27]

21. I do't remember specifically talking to (AG) about it.

Mr. Sampson this is a pretty big point. This was something very much on your mind.

[shanti]

he doesn't recall much, does he?

:eyes:

[DURHAM D]

22. I think Specter is way out of time but Leahy is covering the clock. n/t

[Cameron27]

28. I wonder if his Republican colleagues would dare pointing that out ROFL

[IChing]

27. Specter is going after Gonzales I think

on utilizing the patriotic act to replace attorneys

I don't remember. I don't remember.

[helderheid]

34. Is this a tactic to deflect his own guilt in his role with the PA?

[IChing]

Yes, what a weasel Leahy speaking now

[BuyingThyme]

61. He's the master of illusion.

He was outraged about NSA spying and then wrote a law to retroactively make it legal. He's evil beyond most people's comprehension.

[The Witch]

33. There should be a concrete way to tell whether AG rejected the idea or not.

One question -

Did Bud Cummins' replacement get Senate confirmation or is he still working as an "interim"?

[spooky3]

37. they need to call in a computer expert to find deleted emails & docs

[The Witch]

42. No, I mean a way WE can tell. Does anyone know the answer to my Q? n/t

[karlrschneider]

41. Yeah, but don't ask Sampson...he can't "specifically recall"

...

[seafan]

65. I think Tim Griffin is still "interim", so he's still digging up opposition research for '08

Still busy as a good little GOP operative could be, while the fray goes on with Sampson.

Hurry! Hurry! Hurry, Mr. (Interim non-Senate approved, stealth Patriot Act enabled) Griffin.


:sarcasm:


He withdrew his name from future Senate confirmation, but he continues *serving* in Arkansas.

That's the crucial point.


Edited to add: Griffin is the GOP operative responsible for the Florida "caging lists", which were orchestrated to suppress minority and poor voter turnout. This is critical for people to know.

"Griffin's USA appointment in Arkansas was important to Karl." Now we know why. It was to subvert elections.

[The Witch]

84. So Gonzales necessarily approved of the tactic - he used it.

d'oh, congress! get it together!

[karlrschneider]

35. How the hell can Sampson remember a password

or his mother's maiden name?...he sure as hell can't recall anything -else-...
:eyes:

[Breeze54]

38. He needs another lunch to refresh his 'memory'

:sarcasm:

[Mist]

46. He wears loafers--simply CAN'T remember how to tie those pesky laces. nt

[tridim]

66. Well, he's lying about not remembering.

I assumed that was a given.

[Eurobabe]

39. Thanks Alyce for picking up the slack!

I have HOMEWORK to do, am watching, but can't keep up on the threads. Duty calls.

[bdamomma]

74. no problem

[Beelzebud]

40. Too much bullshit even for Magic Bullet Specter! :)

[myrna minx]

43. Talking about Fitzgerald.

[IChing]

Schumer is making him visably squirm in his seat.

[bdamomma]

47. listening to Randi, called Sampson Rove's offspring.

and the WH or Black House, is saying no interviews of Rove or Miers under oath, behind closed doors and no transcript, now HOW MUCH EVIDENCE DO THESE GUYS NEED TO KNOW THAT THESE THUGS ARE HIDING WICKED INFORMATION. Just got that from Randi.

[The Witch]

53. Politically and literally, I suspect...

they definitely have a few strands of DNA in common..... hmmmmmmm :)

[peacetalksforall]

104. Funny, I was listening to audio early on and I knew it had to be

Sampson from the Qs and As, but I thought I was listening to a 19 year old - his phicture makes him look like an old guy - but I think Randi strkes home when she says Rove's offspring.

[Sugarcoated]

48. Did Russ take a turn yet?

[IChing]

58. No, I don't see him from the camera angle

[The Witch]

60. I don't know that he's there - they're on round two already

and he never spoke up

[Solly Mack]

49. I would like to go on record now that I don't recall any bad thing I've ever done

and I don't remember any crimes I may have committed. And if anyone thinks I have committed any crimes, it was only their perception of events. I made mistakes and I regret them and I'm sorry.

[helderheid]

55. PERFECT!

[Solly Mack]

68. and I didn't have help with that statement ...hehe

[GeorgeGist]

56. To the best of my knowledge ...

you are correct.

[Solly Mack]

LMAO

[donco6]

70. And my family had to move. n/t

[Solly Mack]

77. Yes...they uprooted themselves and everything

Poor me

lolololol

[BuyingThyme]

79. I'm going to leave the record open.

[Solly Mack]

87. LOL Of course! Another fact might surface and I'll need to spin it

[ShortnFiery]

86. OMG! I hope someone counts this guy's "I don't remember" memes.

It's insane how many times he's repeating these: I don't remember; I don't recall; To the best of my recollection; I regret this and that; I don't know; I am not aware of; From what I remember; etc. etc.

[Solly Mack]

92. I can't count that high :)

[donco6]

108. Drinking Game!

er Drikning Game . . .

er Dikrng Gaem . .

er dhrlskd jfmfek . . .

[ShortnFiery]

130. Better use 3.2 beer otherwise it's Alcoholic Coma time within 15 minutes.

:P :toast:

[SaveAmerica]

54. What did Shumer say when he started talking? They came back to session

because something was overruled or overturned?

[Breeze54]

57. Schumer on suggestion that Fitzs should be fired...

and if he was he wouldn't have been able to continue as special prosecuter?

"You now see that was a hair brained scheme? Did Gonzo know?

Did anyone suggest that after that you shouldn't be in charge of recommending firings?"

[Vinca]

62. This guy reminds me of George Costanza -

I'm sure others have already mentioned the resemblance given a previous "no soup for you" post.

[Javaman]

72. "you want bread? TWO DOLLARS!" nt

[Blackhatjack]

63. Sampson's boat has a hole in it, and land is far away.... n/t

[frazzledmom]

71. Hehe and the republicans threw him... AN ANVIL!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[spooky3]

78. don't worry--they'll give him a soft landing in a nice comfy

"consulting firm"

[Cameron27]

64. I never associated asking these resignations

with a crime...that would be inappropriate. Gasp.

[Breeze54]

69. Can't recollect, don't recall, I regret ....

Sampson has been schooled!!

[tridim]

88. How freaking obvious is it that Rove needs a subpoena?

Do it now Dems.

[orleans]

73. wahhh... it was wrong, it was inappropriate, i regreted it after i

suggested it (firing fitz), wahhh wahhh boo hoo

[IChing]

76. I can see beads of sweats form on him

for some reason he is scared of Schumer who is going over KENNEDY'S questions.

[AndrewJacksonFaction]

My rez is not that good. Damn.

[IChing]

91. His hugh...lol forhead is getting shinier and shiner

Watch him blink and chew his jaw.

[SaveAmerica]

82. Cause Shumer keeps giving him 'the look', you know the one your

Mom gave you when she knew stuff you didn't know she knew and she was watching you dig yourself deeper into a hole.

[bdamomma]

94. I wish they would keep on grilling this guy, I am not even listening

or watching but you can tell this guy was coached not to say anything, could the committee get him on this I don't remember shit?

[Gregorian]

80. Parsemoniously?

Yikes. That's a bit colorful.

[Blackhatjack]

81. I think Kyle Sampson just bought himself a contempt of Congress citation for lying...

... his letter contradicts his testimony.

[WinkyDink]

83. I don't remember, I wasn't sure, and I regret everything. Please don't hurt me.

[helderheid]

85. Please don't hurt me!

:rofl:

Not in the face!

[Javaman]

93. great comic minds... LOL nt

[helderheid]

96. hee!

:hi:

[Javaman]

89. Not the face!!! nt

[Gregorian]

95. Stop being so PARSEMONIOUS!

:)

[Cameron27]

90. The second letter doesn't bear out the first email.

You were basing it on what Rove thought, that's what you said in the first email.

[Javaman]

98. You know that whining sound a old WWII plane makes before it crashes..

I think I hear that coming out of a sampsons mouth...

[Mist]

99. I hope KKKarl's going thru Depends at a rate of 1 per minute. We KNOW he's watching. nt

[Breeze54]

123. Karl --->

[Blackhatjack]

100. Schumer just staked Sampson out, two indefensible positions ....

the email gets em every time!

And now Schumer shows Sampson the letter from DOJ that 'throws him under the bus.'

Letter says statements were inaccurate in testimony before Congress, and blames him.

[spooky3]

101. Did Karl Rove have anything to do with ...Fitz? "I...i...I don't remember"

[tridim]

112. Everyone in BushCo has everything to do with everything and everybody

All these perps are on the same damn team and it goes all the way to the top, past Rove.

[spooky3]

119. yes but the key is proving it, which Schumer is trying to do

[tridim]

121. How can he prove it without Rove testifying?

Subpoena Rove NOW!

[Javaman]

103. I think the express just rolled over him...

:rofl:

[IChing]

110. To the best of my recollection I don't remember

Senator Hatch speaking now....who had him as an aide.

[Spazito]

122. It is interesting Sampson is saying he has not seen the letter

If true, he should chew his lawyer's ass out big time because that letter was in the document dump yesterday TOTALLY comprised of Sampson's drafts of the offending letter that denied any Rove involvement.

If not true, if he has, indeed, seen the letter dated Mar 28, 2007, the only reason I could see for him to deny seeing the Mar 28th letter would be plausible deniability in that I can't explain the conflict because I have not seen the letter where the DOJ acknowledges the conflict and "inaccuracies".

Interesting, to say the least.

[Jack Rabbit]

102. "I thinks that was accurate, but I'm not 100% sure."

Precious.

When does he just admit he's a liar?

[Javaman]

107. I think we are nearing the melt down point. nt

[spooky3]

115. his Degree and Preparation H aren't working anymore!

[Jack Rabbit]

131. Hatch is conflating what a jury or an officer of the court can do with what the [ublic can do

If I sit on a jury in crimnal case and a witness declines to take the fifth or the defendant does not take the stand, then I am not allowed to draw any inferences based on that.

Otherwise, I can draw any conclusion I want.

I'm sorry, Senator Hatch, but the fact that Ms. Goodling is pleading the fifth implies that a crime has been committed and that she could be implicated in it. That is a reasonable inference for me to draw.

[orleans]

105. did rove have anything to do with your suggestion that fitz be fired??

I DON'T REMEMBER

[Solly Mack]

106. "I don't think that happened" LMAO

[quiet.american]

109. Another "yes" or "no" question answered with "I don't remember." n/t

[Javaman]

116. "for the love of God, I don't rememberrr......oh booo hooo hooo hooo." nt.

[helderheid]

111. THREAD # 9 IS UP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x533675

[Blackhatjack]

113. Orrin Hatch will not try to guide Sampson back to the party line ....

He is a sorry excuse for a Senator. Maybe the state of Utah will be as outraged at his conduct as the rest of us, and turn him out of office ....

[orleans]

114. ZIPPPPPPP (sound of hatch asking a question) n/t

[annabanana]

117. After the meeting.. In Meiers office THAT'S when we talked about it

[fooj]

118. I HATE that prick Hatch!

He gives me an extreme case of RAGE. Damn. I need a drink...lol

[democrat_patriot]

120. When did "Radar O'Reilly" get to the hearing?

He's the spitting image!

[Breeze54]

126. That's an insult to Radar!!

:P

Sampson--->

[ShortnFiery]

128. Yes but the Mash character "Radar" was intellectually brighter.

However, on the chicken shit side, I'd bet this guy also sleeps with a Teddy Bear. :P

[vanboggie]

124. Hey Hatch!

You are supposed to ask questions, not do the testifying.

[ShortnFiery]

125. This is so funny! Hatch could not be more obvious if he were holding

up cue cards to Kyle "George Constanza" Samson.

OMG, this guy is a putz!

He even said directly to Hatch, "Thank you for that!" :rofl:

[Webster Green]

127. Sampson thanking Orrin Hatch for the softballs..

"Thank you senator"

[caledesi]

129. Make thread #9?

[LaurenG]

132. locking

thread 11

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