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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 12:20 AM Original message |
At the risk of angering some folks..... we have way too many guns in US streets |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 12:23 AM Response to Original message |
1. I agree, Nadin, the violence needs to stop, |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 12:24 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I'm just going to reach for the popcorn |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 12:28 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. My wife and I are eating the real thing..... |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 12:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. I would actually like to see a reasoned conversation about this issue between you and Fire Medic Dav |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 12:41 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. i hate to say it, but I don't believe we can have a reasoned conversation |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
23. what is your solution? |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
177. Me too! nt |
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Wiley50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 12:33 AM Response to Original message |
4. Yes, get them off of the streets. Bring them back indoors |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 12:36 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. That's a whole different issue... aka the civil war some of us expect |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 12:34 AM Response to Original message |
5. I've never needed to use a gun in self-defense or to resist oppression... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 12:38 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. There you go, and that is why I am not for banning guns |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
10. Springfield ... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 12:56 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. You are right, I typed Henry since I happen to like that damn rifle |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:09 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. I should add this ... |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:12 AM Response to Reply #12 |
20. P.S. |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
178. Not quite correct |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 09:42 PM Response to Reply #178 |
184. Interesting ... |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-26-09 05:45 AM Response to Reply #184 |
185. The versions of the surrender of Lee's Army of Northern Virginia |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-26-09 08:06 AM Response to Reply #185 |
186. Oh, that's not in question ... |
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mgnmd (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 12:55 AM Response to Original message |
11. its a price we have to pay now |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 12:58 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. And what is that? |
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FLyellowdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:28 AM Response to Reply #11 |
27. What's bound to happen? |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 12:59 AM Response to Original message |
14. Yes we do, and every time I say something about it, the gun nuts come out screaming as if I'd said.. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:02 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. One note, most of the military I know |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:07 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Well I know 2 cops, and the fact that this country is filled with gun nuts |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #17 |
120. Your continued use of the derogatory term "gun nuts" makes anything you say irrelevant.. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #120 |
181. Gun nuts? Well, how about this..... |
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silverojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:37 AM Response to Reply #14 |
30. Clearly, you've never been the victim of a violent crime |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 08:40 AM Response to Reply #30 |
84. The reason people are confronted by armed criminals is because |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
94. Assumptions will get you far son |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
131. I've been mugged, and the mugge'rs companion was holding a gun. |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 04:07 PM Response to Reply #14 |
161. Don't say gun nuts OK? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:07 AM Response to Original message |
16. The ASW ban was useless |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:09 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. The problem isn't as much the type of gun as it is the type of gun owner. |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:15 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. so what is your solution? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:17 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. See my previous post #7... I give details of my version there. |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:36 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. i see that. but post #7 only addresses law abiding folk. what is your solution to the real problem |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:45 AM Response to Reply #29 |
34. False premise... the "bad guys" don't do most of the killing with guns.. |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:14 AM Response to Reply #34 |
41. again with the childlike thoughts... |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:19 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Sorry but your reply is simply a non-sequitir and debunks nothing |
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Leftist Agitator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 08:56 AM Response to Reply #34 |
87. "If you had to have liability insurance for your gun" |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-27-09 07:17 AM Response to Reply #34 |
193. Fact: 90% of gun offenders in Chicago have criminal histories. Are you saying they aren't "bad guys" |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:55 AM Response to Reply #29 |
63. End prohibition. nt |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 04:06 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. End prohibition of illegal drugs? machine guns? we've already ended prohibition of alchohol.. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 05:48 AM Response to Reply #64 |
70. The discussion has centered on an assault weapons ban |
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Leftist Agitator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 09:00 AM Response to Reply #64 |
88. employers should be allowed to discriminate against marijuana users just as they do tobacco users. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:19 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. The cops generally aren't outgunned anymore |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:38 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Require liability insurance to own a gun is a good start.. |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:55 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. exactly how do you get the bad guys, with their illegal guns, to sign up for liability insurance? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:10 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Where do you think the illegal guns come from in the first place? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:20 AM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Nope.. they are either sold into the blackmarket in private gun sales or they are stolen. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:39 AM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Yes they are, but you aren't the one I was asking... |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:40 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Sorry.. my mistake... |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:17 AM Response to Reply #37 |
43. You are WRONG about the "real" problem.. |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:54 AM Response to Reply #43 |
54. and i reject your pollyanna approach to the subject... |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:33 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Ridiculous, condescending and wrong. |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 04:38 AM Response to Reply #58 |
65. you are right... |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 04:50 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Sorry but you're wrong... |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 05:11 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. is english your first language? can you read? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 05:17 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. You apparently have no clue what you are talking about |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 05:24 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. nice side-step. so you concede that your entire "citizens militia" argument is bullshit, right? |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #58 |
111. people who have lived in urban areas get it more so than those who don't |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #111 |
136. Are cities more dangerous places than they were 20 or 40 years ago? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:07 AM Response to Reply #32 |
39. True, but so can handguns, which are much easier to conceal |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:31 AM Response to Reply #39 |
49. Actually no the restrictions on car and plane ownership are much more severe than that. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:54 AM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Those regulation only apply if you plan on driving it on public roads |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:46 AM Response to Reply #55 |
62. Code enforcement can come and take your car out of the driveway and have it crushed here in FL |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:39 AM Response to Reply #39 |
51. P.S.:I'm not arguing "banning the AR15"... |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 07:03 AM Response to Reply #32 |
72. Insurance companies are grifting scum. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #25 |
101. SOME departments now issue AR-15 |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:14 AM Response to Reply #19 |
42. Teflon bullets? Not that shit again. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:22 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. They very much do increase penetration. |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:56 AM Response to Reply #46 |
56. do you own a gun? engineer? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:36 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Are you an engineer or merely a gun owner? |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #59 |
144. I'm on my second barrel on my AR15. |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 05:53 AM Response to Reply #46 |
71. Too funny. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 09:13 PM Response to Reply #46 |
179. The banned "teflon coated bullets" were made of fairly hard STEEL |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 08:36 AM Response to Reply #19 |
83. Teflon bullets are an urban legend. |
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Leftist Agitator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 08:50 AM Response to Reply #19 |
86. "That said though there's no need for teflon bullets" |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:12 AM Response to Original message |
21. yeah, yeah, yeah... too many guns. what is your solution? |
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silverojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:27 AM Response to Original message |
26. And anti-gun laws will REALLY keep guns out of criminals' hands |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:52 AM Response to Reply #26 |
35. Fatalist argument to try to short circuit the conversation. |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:58 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. let's require all crack smokers to register their pipes and take crack safety classes... |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:25 AM Response to Reply #38 |
47. No but hey let's prosecute crack distribution and sales.. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #26 |
98. I am talking of history, that pesky thing, not the NRA possition |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:33 AM Response to Original message |
28. What it comes down to is... |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:55 AM Response to Reply #28 |
36. I have news for you - your guns aren't really going to matter |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:26 AM Response to Reply #36 |
57. Explain how you would use an A-10 or Abrams tank... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:38 AM Response to Reply #57 |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 08:13 AM Response to Reply #60 |
79. And you lose... |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:40 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. And that's vastly over blown and antecdotal crap. |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 08:21 AM Response to Reply #61 |
81. Other then the gun confiscations, ya mean? Nothing racist - old white women were included. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #57 |
100. I do recomend you start studying |
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Leftist Agitator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 09:10 AM Response to Reply #36 |
89. Yes, because small arms really haven't made a difference in Iraq. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #28 |
99. Chew on this little piece of data |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:38 AM Response to Original message |
31. n/t |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
33. There are too many guns but there is nothing that can be done about it. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:28 AM Response to Original message |
48. Nothing like a reality-based discussion to start a fire we can pop corn with. Thanks Nadin.... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #48 |
95. There you go |
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Baikonour (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:38 AM Response to Original message |
50. Guns have always existed as instruments of violence. |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 07:22 AM Response to Original message |
73. Because 90% of gun offenders in Chicago have criminal histories, I can see the need |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
74. Real problem is too many people abusing freedom of speech. Take away that inalienable right and all |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 07:49 AM Response to Original message |
75. The source of violence in America isn't guns--it's INJUSTICE and INEQUALITY. |
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GTurck (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 07:51 AM Response to Original message |
76. I always wondered.... |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 07:57 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. As long as the walls etc. were covered in THEIR blood & not mine or my kids? I think I would be OK. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 08:20 AM Response to Reply #76 |
80. No sane person wants to kill someone. Trust me. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #80 |
117. I don't have an alarm, my lighting is okay, but wasn't installed for |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #117 |
166. To each his own. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #166 |
170. So, in your neighborhood, people just wander into other people's homes, |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 09:38 PM Response to Reply #170 |
183. Well you know everything so I guess we are done. |
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GTurck (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-26-09 08:55 AM Response to Reply #117 |
188. I agree... |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 10:35 AM Response to Reply #76 |
93. As long as the blood is theirs not mine |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #93 |
118. Neither can they. nt |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #118 |
122. They might want to pick a new career, then. nt |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #118 |
168. Well they are the ones who chose to break in |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
78. Leaving the merits of your position aside for the moment, |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 09:44 AM Response to Reply #78 |
91. +1 |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #78 |
97. When you slay myths, at times sarcasm is your friend |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #97 |
102. But you're smart enough to know that using language like only polarizes |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #102 |
107. Here is the problem, some people are indeed nuts, or rather, have been propagandized |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. Yes, there are nuts on both extremes. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. I actually addressed it in the OP when I said that neither side would have a |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #110 |
115. I would argue that some of the most pervasive "myths" associated with gun control discussions |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #115 |
123. Actually the NRA has spread, with hollywood, some of the myths |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. Although I don't think it paints the whole picture, I'm not arguing with your historical data |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #124 |
127. Ok, I also know that no matter what language is chosen |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #127 |
129. Well, I think you are trying to have it both ways. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #129 |
134. I'm not trying to have it both ways |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #134 |
145. But I'm trying to point out that your use of inflammatory language is *part* of the problem |
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LaurenG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 08:23 AM Response to Original message |
82. I grew up with guns - my father was a soldier and he always owned a gun |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
85. The anti-gun NUTS have never been assaulted, mugged, had their home invaded or been raped. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #85 |
96. First nobody is teling you that you cannot have a gun |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #96 |
112. "Minutemen armed to the teeth" is certainly a myth (or strawman), that is why it is mandated |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #112 |
125. Well regulated militia was included there for a reason too |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #125 |
128. No arguing that gun ownership has been steadily increasing. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #128 |
130. Here is an important point, if you believe control is confiscation, you are right to be afraid |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #130 |
135. Have read the history. I never totally equate control with confiscation, though I fear BOTH. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #135 |
138. That is where we part company |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #138 |
142. Key word being "rational". We would have to get VERY specific then. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #142 |
150. why do you think the NRA and the Confiscation fans will not have a |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #150 |
156. Now it makes sense! Though I do like the lobbying power of the NRA. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #156 |
158. Yeah but they have become way too radical, like the other side |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #112 |
143. The Consitution MANDATES that we all arm ourselves?! |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #143 |
147. Members of the Militia of the several states, which back then was an awful lot of the people. |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #96 |
114. Hmm, so we won't confiscate, but a "slew of weapons will not be in citizens' hands"??? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:30 PM Response to Reply #114 |
126. The same thing that happened with the BAR and the Tommy |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #126 |
132. Very familiar with history. Not with "reasoning" that provides phrases like |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #132 |
137. If you have an AR-15 and you are grand fathered, |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #137 |
141. Of course you can buy a BAR and orTommy. If you could afford it.. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #141 |
149. You can't ship it through the USPS... UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #149 |
154. Yes yes, we know all this. So basically this 'historical discusion' is about nothing new, except |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #154 |
164. I know some folks are alergic to history |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #137 |
151. Living in California notwithstanding, you can buy a BAR or a Thompson |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #151 |
152. and a metric shit of background checks |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #152 |
169. It's the same background check I went through to get my Federal Firearms License |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #85 |
113. nope... I Grew in the City and Have had ALL happen to me |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #85 |
119. Guess again. |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
90. Is that why the roads are fucked up in my area? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
92. Violent crime rates have generally been trending downward since the early '90s |
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TWiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #92 |
133. Abortion has more to do with that than guns do |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #133 |
146. Ladies and Gentlemen, I believe we have a Freakonomics fan among us! |
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TWiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-27-09 04:34 AM Response to Reply #146 |
189. What socio-economic factors do you attribute the decline to? |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
103. We do appear to have the highest per capita gun ownership in the world... |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. You certainly can associate with whomever you choose, |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. I also avoid conservatives, fundamentalists and mimes... |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. Like I said--feel free to disassociate from whatever groups of people you choose. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #108 |
116. Eye-rolls? Maybe. Maybe misplaced anger too. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #116 |
121. See, now we're getting somewhere. You think that firearm ownership conveys |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-26-09 08:33 AM Response to Reply #121 |
187. I certainly don't think I can determine politics |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
106. yep |
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galileoreloaded (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
139. My dear friend Nadin. I fully advocate your right to not own a gun. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #139 |
140. History has precious little to do with MY owning a gun or two |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
148. Brave post Nadin.....DU's gun lobby can be pretty ferocious. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #148 |
157. To be fair, don't you think that any discussion of limiting a civil liberty, whether warranted |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #148 |
165. Lobby's of any kind can be ferocious |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
153. You know what is wrong with your rant in my opinion? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #153 |
159. This is about the HISTORY of ownership and gun control |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
155. Not too many guns |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #155 |
160. Actually HISTORICALLY we have the highest rate of gun ownership |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 04:09 PM Response to Reply #160 |
162. I am all for people owning guns |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #162 |
163. History is your friend |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #163 |
180. The difference is, full-auto Thompsons and BAR's were NEVER common in U.S. homes... |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
167. We should fight criminal gun usage and possession, but not at the expense of others' civil rights. |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
171. At the end of the Civil War |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #171 |
174. And as was covered way above, the officers of the CSA were the backbone |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
172. I agree about too many guns - I'd like to see all violence banned. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 08:31 PM Response to Reply #172 |
175. That's partly laws... CWP were much harder to get at one time |
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Coffee and Cake (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
173. I never owned a gun, but I support the 2nd Amendment |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #173 |
176. Read the OP again, and try to understand I am talking about HISTORY |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
182. I would suggest watching "Bowling for Columbine" |
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conspirator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-27-09 04:39 AM Response to Original message |
190. So you prefer only BLACKWATER and RICH people's private armies have guns? nt |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-27-09 04:56 AM Response to Original message |
191. 1) Basing your premise on "how it was done once" is incredibly stupid. |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-27-09 08:30 AM Response to Reply #191 |
195. If Everything Is So Slam-Dunked And Squared Away..... |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-27-09 08:48 AM Response to Reply #195 |
198. You first. :) |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-27-09 08:30 AM Response to Reply #191 |
196. Duplicate, Slow-Moving Computer. Sorry.... (n/t) |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-27-09 08:45 AM Response to Reply #191 |
197. LOL!! |
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marano35 (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-27-09 05:15 AM Response to Original message |
192. My $.02 |
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chemenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-27-09 08:16 AM Response to Original message |
194. The gunfight at the OK Corral was ultimately about gun control |
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