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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 06:52 PM Original message |
Re: Natasha R. Seemingly Innocuous Appearing Circumstances Can And Do Have Tragic Consequences! |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
1. It was a tragedy, made all the more so due to its avoidability. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
121. It's kinda like riding a bike |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
2. She also refused to see the medics in the 2nd ambulance -- but they examined |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. PRECISELY! Head Injury IS A DIFFERENT ANIMAL As You Point Out! |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. And how do you know that she refused the second |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Hotel Workers Turned Away the FIRSt Ambulance w/o Seeing Natasha Is What I Read! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Not being lucid isn't the only sign of a head injury. |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Not Feeling Well i.e., NAUSEA and Headache ARE S/S of CONCUSSION or Worse! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Yes, and dizziness, and skin changes, and pupil changes, and |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Quite Right! |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. Dilated Pupils Would Be LATE Change in An Intercranial Bleed, Which IS What Natasha Had |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:23 PM Response to Reply #30 |
55. Which post are you referring to, DaLittle Kitty? I'm not sure I saw your |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #55 |
102. Read The Main Post here that Began the Thread! Go To Top of Page MY OP! |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:26 PM Response to Reply #11 |
56. The hospital discharge rules apply after somebody has seen a doctor |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:37 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. How do you know the ambulance crew wouldn't have been more likely |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:23 PM Response to Reply #60 |
96. "They should have overruled her the first time and insisted she speak to the medics." |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:49 PM Response to Reply #96 |
154. That's exactly what they did the second time. She was lucid and yet |
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cleo4cole (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:51 AM Response to Reply #96 |
176. insist she speak to medics |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 03:42 AM Response to Reply #176 |
183. You are making the same argument I am. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #176 |
302. At 3:00 the general manager DID overrule her and called for the |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #56 |
107. Clinical Presentation W/ CT Is What Is Required W/ History of the Incident |
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Garbo 2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Reportedly 2nd ambulance was called because she was then exhibiting overt symptoms. |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. The Point iS If The #1 Ambulance Crew Saw Her They May Have Observed Subtle Symptoms |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 07:58 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Exactly. And she would have been more likely to listen to trained medics |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
44. LOL trained medic here, yuo know how many times I was |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:17 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Yes I see Lots Of Idiots Too... You Try To Work Around It and Maybe Increase Success |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:43 PM Response to Reply #50 |
68. You know I wish it was easier but it isn't |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:40 PM Response to Reply #68 |
151. Do you realize these "first responders" have only a $100 first aid course |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #151 |
218. And my first EMT course was 65 dollars and your point ? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:39 PM Response to Reply #44 |
62. Don't you think it would have been better if the first medics had been allowed |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. She said no, hands are tied |
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bottomtheweaver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Were you there? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:10 PM Response to Reply #71 |
93. ten years EMS experinece as in actually havng to deal with this |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:09 AM Response to Reply #93 |
165. I think Intrawest will settle out of court and we'll never hear about it. n/t |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #165 |
197. It will not even get to that stage |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #197 |
206. She did not tell EMS to buzz off. The ski patrol is not EMS qualified. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #206 |
217. Yes they are... they are the first responders |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #217 |
267. Then why is the Health Minister refusing to discuss this case |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #267 |
273. For the same reason we shut our mouths |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #93 |
225. THIS WILL Go to Litigation! GUARANTEED! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #225 |
231. If this was the US, sure.. this is CANADA |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #231 |
286. A quiet settlement could occur before any legal papers were ever filed. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #286 |
291. It will not even get to that stage |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #291 |
293. It is the real world. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #293 |
298. In the real word it will go nowhere |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #298 |
306. "Only in the US shit like this goes to the courts." I never said it would go to the courts. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #306 |
311. Because it will not even get to a settlement |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #311 |
316. LOL. You might want to try reading your own citation. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #70 |
98. Thank you nadin. This has been, hopefully, a learning experience for |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:34 PM Response to Reply #70 |
110. Deleted message |
DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:36 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. EMS Are The People That CALL THE HELICOPTERS! |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. you are replying to yourself with CAPITAL LETTERS? |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:44 PM Response to Reply #70 |
114. So Ski Patrol Is ATLS or ACLS? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Were you there or are you assuming all that? |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:52 PM Response to Reply #116 |
156. Uppity Please Provide Your Interpretation of the acronyms ATLS and ACLS? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 03:36 AM Response to Reply #156 |
179. Please answer my question. Were you there or are you assuming all that? |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #179 |
227. It IS Called Professional Judgment! What Percent Of Arriving At A Diagnosis Does |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #227 |
233. So you were assuming. Just like you assume there are no Level 3 trauma centers |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 10:02 PM Response to Reply #233 |
343. No One Discusses This In Florida ... Level 1 or 2.. Others Are Stabilization Points |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #114 |
199. My god, yuo are assuming that only an ALS trained person |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 10:21 PM Response to Reply #199 |
346. Many A Paramedic Might Have Things Right And Then Again They Might Not... |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 05:39 AM Response to Reply #62 |
185. If she said NO to them |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #185 |
200. Legally if she is alert and oriented, and functioning, nothing |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #185 |
348. Hotel Klowns NEVER Gave Her The Chance to Say NO... To EMS! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #44 |
100. I bet that won't be happening any more . . .!!! This story is kinda getting the story out -- !!! |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:31 PM Response to Reply #15 |
109. CORRECTOMUNDO! |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. The point is that she was showing signs when the 2nd one came, not with the 1st |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. BALOGNEY~ She Was NOT Evaluated By A Professional Trained To Question Properly To Discern |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Wrong. CAT scan is not standard procedure for all head injuries |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:43 PM Response to Reply #29 |
67. You didn't address the fact that no qualified person evaluated her in the first |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #67 |
99. Ski patrol did. Are you saying that they are not qualified to assess injuries? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #99 |
129. The ski patrol member is qualified to offer basic first aid and to call for an ambulance |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #129 |
201. How many times from here to sunday do you have to even ben shown links |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:41 PM Response to Reply #29 |
113. WRONG! She Had Signs of Concussion Even Minimal Obviously H/A Reported Requiring CT |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #113 |
119. Yes Dr Frist. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 05:46 AM Response to Reply #119 |
187. Why anyone is taking da little kitty's addled bullshit seriously |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #187 |
224. Deleted message |
DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 09:27 PM Response to Reply #187 |
332. Because Da Little Kitty Knows What He Is Talking About! |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #113 |
228. The ER MD Echoed My Opinion On LarryKing Last Night... It's Called Professional Judgment! |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. watch larry king now Neuro Surgeon and ER MD Explaining EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING! |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:35 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. I don't need props and visuals, thank you very much. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:51 PM Response to Reply #33 |
45. Amazing, ain't it? |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:48 PM Response to Reply #33 |
115. Both Of You Folks Should Watch CNN & The NS & ER MD Discuss Head Injury and CT as Std of Care! |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #115 |
118. No thank you. I will go with my training and yrs experience in neuro and er care |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:59 PM Response to Reply #118 |
123. Symptoms Get The CT w/o... What did she get in the end? A CT w/o! |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:06 PM Response to Reply #123 |
127. You are not making sense. "symptoms get the ct without..." wtf? |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:00 AM Response to Reply #127 |
159. You clearly demonstrate your COMPLETE IGNORANCE Of Current Medical Practice |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:13 AM Response to Reply #159 |
167. I know, I know! |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #167 |
172. But I Wanted Uppity To Answer The Question SmartyPants! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:29 AM Response to Reply #172 |
173. Ooops! |
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cleo4cole (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 01:04 AM Response to Reply #159 |
177. ct scan |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 03:38 AM Response to Reply #177 |
181. oooooo, welcome back! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #115 |
241. And I should watch CSI to learn the actual procedures for crime investigation? |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 10:10 PM Response to Reply #33 |
345. RIGHT! Then Answer some Clinical Questions DOCTOR! HAAA |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #345 |
368. wtf is your problem? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #19 |
64. The fact is we don't know whether she was showing signs at first, because no |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #64 |
101. Ski patrol did. eom |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #64 |
117. Hx Post Accident Is Very Suggestive of Concussion and Not Feeling well H/A |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Here's a link. The general manager overruled her even though she was lucid |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 07:58 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. NAUSEA and Headache ARE S/S of CONCUSSION or Worse! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. She probably said something like: "I'm fine, I just need to lie down." |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Oh bullshit. saying you are fine is not a sign of any sort of trauma. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:32 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. Saying "I need to lie down" could mean many things. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. I agree. It is really too bad she refused to let them assess her. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:08 PM Response to Reply #35 |
49. She refused a doctor or an ambulance the second time, too -- but the |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:18 PM Response to Reply #28 |
51. Being Sleepy IS A Symptom of Head Injury! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I know. My children have had little bumps, and that's always been something |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:27 PM Response to Reply #51 |
103. Being sleepy is a symptom of being awake too long |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #103 |
120. Not When You've Had A Head Injury In The Middle Of The Afternoon... Google Concussion |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #120 |
122. Am I wrong in assuming that you know that not everyone who gets a concussion dies from |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:07 PM Response to Reply #122 |
128. YES NO ONE THAT I'VE EVER HEARD OF DIES FROM AN "inner cranial bleed" Dufus! |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:13 PM Response to Reply #128 |
133. Thank you for verifying I was wrong in assuming you knew that. |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:04 AM Response to Reply #133 |
162. I Guess Judging From Your Descriptive Adjectives That You Have Authored New |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 03:34 AM Response to Reply #162 |
178. omg like wtf? It is called interpreting for the layman. |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #178 |
229. It's The Language Of Medicine! |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #229 |
234. You lost your credibility with this post...which I notice you haven't addressed yet |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 10:04 PM Response to Reply #234 |
344. It's Addressed and Is NOT Material To The Discussion... Read below |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:12 PM Response to Reply #103 |
131. Are you saying that you don't know that that can be a sign of a head injury? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #131 |
137. I am pointing out in a satirical way that being sleepy can have other causes also. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #137 |
158. Which is why these assessments for head injury shouldn't be left in the hands |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:05 AM Response to Reply #158 |
164. DITTO! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #158 |
242. Don't call an ambulance in north america |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
124. BS You ClearlY Have NO Frigging Clue WHAT You Are Talking About... |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:04 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. CNN Repeat on NOW 1200 Midnight.. WATCH IT! |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:14 PM Response to Reply #125 |
136. but it isn't midnight here. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:10 PM Response to Reply #124 |
130. bwahahahaha. You tell me I have no friggin clue, then you agree with me. |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:09 AM Response to Reply #130 |
166. Point Is YOU Have No Medical Background Whatsoever .. And It SHOWS! |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 03:37 AM Response to Reply #166 |
180. bwahahahaha. You say I have no friggin clue, then you argee with me. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 09:49 PM Response to Reply #21 |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
20. The first ambulance was not turned away by the hotel employee |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:21 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. If she refused, as reported, taking her there was legally wrong. |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Not So W/ A Head Injury IF EMS Was Permitted To Evaluate Her! |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:34 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. But she refused to let them evaluate her. At that point, she was legally allowed to. |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:40 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Assessment By Asking Questions IS NOT Assault Sir/Madam! |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I am trying to provide context as a health professional who has had firsthand experience also |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:58 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. Medic here, If I transport a patient by force |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #46 |
57. Right -- IF, as you say, there are no other signs and symptoms of |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. There is an AMA, from the facility |
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bottomtheweaver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:42 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. No, Corderre was simply speculating that she signed a waiver. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. Once again, not that you will get this |
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bottomtheweaver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:50 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. The claim that anyone linked to such a doc is false. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:59 PM Response to Reply #74 |
82. You are lawyer? No you are not |
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bottomtheweaver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:04 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. I'm not a lunatic either. n/t |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:05 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Yuo mean someobdy with experience, as in real world experience? |
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bottomtheweaver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:23 PM Response to Reply #89 |
95. I'm sorry, but I find none of your claims remotely credible. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:02 AM Response to Reply #89 |
160. How can you know for sure that if you had been at the site, |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #160 |
202. My EMT course, ran 65 US at a local community college |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #202 |
209. I'm glad the paramedics in my state have far more training than you did. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #209 |
215. NAEMT qualifications in the US are by hours of training |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:55 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. Who gave her the medical advice that she supposedly rejected? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:00 PM Response to Reply #77 |
84. SKY PATROL traeted her, they are TRAINED FIRST RESONDERS |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #77 |
106. Ski patrol. Those people trained to rescue and assess ski injuries. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:13 PM Response to Reply #106 |
132. Yeah, right. Volunteer college students. n/t |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #132 |
138. Huh, I know EMTs who never went to college. You have an issue with college students? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #138 |
141. I have an issue with people who think training in basic first aid is |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:20 PM Response to Reply #141 |
142. You keep changing the goal posts.ow do you know these are volunteers taught basic first aid? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:31 PM Response to Reply #142 |
146. This is how I know. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 05:53 AM Response to Reply #77 |
188. She probably |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #188 |
243. Not the patient, patients are stubborn, it will educate the family to push for them |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:52 PM Response to Reply #63 |
76. It wasn't an AMA, it was a liability waiver. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:56 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Wht do yuo think a liabity waver is in that case |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:07 PM Response to Reply #79 |
91. A liability waiver is not the same as an AMA form. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:12 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. Ok, so if you are right, this will end up in courts |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:05 PM Response to Reply #94 |
126. I expect this will be settled out of court |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #57 |
104. I betcha ski patrol is trained to do assesments. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:14 PM Response to Reply #104 |
135. These are volunteers taught basic first aid. Their qualifications don't |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #135 |
140. How do you know these are volunteers taught basic first aid? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #140 |
144. They take a $100 first aid course. Is this the kind of training you think would |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #144 |
219. Once again the first EMT course I took was 65 bucks |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #219 |
221. Did you see the one |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #221 |
223. THey are the kind that all medical providers fear |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:39 PM Response to Reply #46 |
61. I think I GOTTIT.. No one From EMS Actually Spoke To The Patient! That's The KEY! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:42 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. Sorry the sky patrol did an assstment |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #65 |
75. Then why did ski patrol take her to the clinic and not let her return |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:04 PM Response to Reply #75 |
86. I wasn't there, but I can bet somebody had a gut feeling |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #86 |
105. I don't need you to educate me |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:21 PM Response to Reply #105 |
143. Finally, Someone W/ Some COMMON SENSE! This IS Why We HAve ATLS Protocal and Why |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #105 |
168. Another voice of reason. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:56 PM Response to Reply #65 |
80. The ski patrol person wasn't a medic, and wasn't qualified to |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:05 PM Response to Reply #80 |
88. FIRST RESPONDER... more than just firrst aid |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #88 |
145. But W/ Infrequent and Minimal Experience In Evaluating Head Injuries... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:19 AM Response to Reply #145 |
169. And the ski patrol person's only qualification was a first aid class, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:05 AM Response to Reply #88 |
163. A ski patrol member in Canada only has to have a $100 class in basic first |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #80 |
108. How do you know that? Prove it. |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:39 PM Response to Reply #108 |
150. Why Just Last Year I Saw A Patient W/ A Ventriqulostomy On The Slopes! |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 03:41 AM Response to Reply #150 |
182. No answer, just insults. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:20 AM Response to Reply #108 |
170. Here's the proof, again. |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:00 PM Response to Reply #65 |
83. So Is Putting A College Student To Watch Her The Same As An ER? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:06 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. No he didn't wilt at her BS |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:38 PM Response to Reply #90 |
149. But Not Feeling Well And W/ A Headache! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:22 AM Response to Reply #90 |
171. According to whom? According to a person whose only qualification |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #171 |
257. I paid 65 for my EMT B? WOW |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #257 |
289. Did you work part-time on a volunteer basis? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #289 |
294. I was an EMT-P, I wrote the courses for my kids |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #31 |
72. Legally, you can't refuse medical care that you haven't been offered. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:55 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. Read tis carefully... she spoke with the sky patrol |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:02 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. Actually, the qualifications of ski patrol members vary. There is no |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:07 PM Response to Reply #85 |
92. First responder, next |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #78 |
97. Who Called EMS #! That Came After The Paramedics On The Ski Slope? |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:05 PM Response to Reply #24 |
48. Not with head injuries |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #48 |
69. ABSOLUTELY, Why I do not ski Anymore! Skiing IS Dangerous If You |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
58. She also refused the second time, but they called for the ambulance |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #20 |
36. I agree that the ski patrol should have taken her to the ambulance. n/t |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #20 |
52. So Who Called The Dispatcher? Need More Info Than That! |
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bottomtheweaver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Bingo. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:58 PM Response to Reply #52 |
81. read this article |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:48 PM Response to Reply #81 |
153. Key Point From Your Article... Lot's of DillyDallying and F***Ups In This! UnTrained Observers!!!! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:33 AM Response to Reply #153 |
174. There does seem to be some sort of a cover-up. Why did they say she was |
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Justice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 06:48 AM Response to Reply #20 |
191. taken down hill in a toboggan - suggests fall was more significant |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #191 |
196. I know - I'm surprised that others haven't picked up on that. |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 09:55 PM Response to Reply #191 |
339. That IS The Same Conclusion That ER Doc On Larry King Had... The klowns here |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
43. Not quite, if patient is alert and oriented times four |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 09:20 AM Response to Reply #43 |
194. #191 Is Correct As Were The MD's On Larry King Last Night. EMT IS Rough Cut |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #194 |
236. The ONLY patient hit on the nogging we transported AGAINST his will |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
5. It's Debatable Diana Would Have Survived Her Injuries |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. At The Time There Was Great Discussion Among Surgeons et al re:Diana... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
47. Yuo forget that MedSans, the French System |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 07:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Anyone who survives two hours Plus of dillydallying Could likely have had a Good Chance W/ |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. If they had had a medical helicopter get her, the flight to Montreal would have |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:20 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. Wrong. Having a slow cranial bleed can often be fatal, even with care |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #23 |
34. Time to Diagnosis and Appropriate Treatment IS Key... Sorry about your friend! |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. and sometimes people die. We all will. |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:41 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. I CERTAINLY AGREE, HOWEVER It Is Indeed Better To Give Life A Chance Agree? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Good grief. No, I think we should kill everyone who has an owie |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:35 PM Response to Reply #10 |
32. I am Speaking About Princess Diana NOT Natasha.. Intraabdominal bleed is different animal |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. ah, that it is. eom |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
59. I also thought there was some delay in being able to extract her from the crash |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:33 PM Response to Reply #59 |
147. Poor System... Our System IS Scoop And Run To Trauma Center Developed During Vietnam War |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 11:47 AM Response to Reply #59 |
203. No, There is Considerable Controversy About Diana |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #59 |
226. Yes there was... one that is usually left out of the discussion |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
134. Besides helmets and getting this story out - which is obviously happening . . . |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #134 |
139. Right. And one of the things people should be told |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:35 PM Response to Reply #139 |
148. Reasonable Point.. Fore-armed is Fore-Warned! |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:47 PM Response to Reply #139 |
152. I have to disagree with you |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:50 PM Response to Reply #152 |
155. As I Noted In An Earlier Post and Yes Buyer Beware! Know the Risks.. Why You Choose NOT |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:55 PM Response to Reply #152 |
157. How are they to find out if the resort won't tell them? The way to find out |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:03 AM Response to Reply #157 |
161. Well, yes, if asked the resorts should make the information |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 05:40 AM Response to Reply #152 |
186. snow in your pants is not fun |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 08:59 AM Response to Reply #186 |
192. exactly |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #192 |
214. the ONLY place to be! |
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cleo4cole (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:44 AM Response to Original message |
175. response |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 03:44 AM Response to Reply #175 |
184. "no one can be forced to have care!!!" Exactly. Nice to see someone else gets this. eom |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 05:56 AM Response to Reply #184 |
189. That can't be forced to speak to EMT's either |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #189 |
204. And Because She Signed a Waiver, |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #204 |
205. Wrong, those waivers are not legitimate |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #205 |
235. if she already refused to see the medics they couldn't |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #235 |
237. You are mistaken |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #237 |
258. You are entirely missing the point |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #258 |
272. It is you missing the point. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #205 |
246. Wanna bet this will be thrown out of the CANADIAN court system |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #246 |
248. wanna bet that the truth has yet to be made public |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #248 |
250. I get it, this is a conspiracy. I get it |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #250 |
252. it is you and all those who commented on the condition without |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #252 |
253. She said no, from what we know |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #253 |
264. What you accept as the truth, "what you know" is the hotel's version |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 06:09 PM Response to Reply #264 |
269. I tell you right now this will end nowhere near a court |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #269 |
274. No one is trying to find a conspiracy or wearing any tinfoil |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #274 |
275. I don't know their protocols for bringing somebody down who hit their |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #275 |
277. You don't know she said "no" |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 06:44 PM Response to Reply #277 |
278. And you don't know she said yes.. you assume such |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #278 |
285. The hotel has said she said no |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #285 |
296. That is why I went into a shoot out to rescue a cop |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #296 |
301. Stop with the GET EDUCATED CRAP |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #301 |
303. Did you or didn't you say I didn't care for patients? |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #303 |
309. The only motive I question is your motive |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #309 |
315. What is my motive? |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 08:09 PM Response to Reply #315 |
321. I have no idea what your motive is, that is why I question it. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 08:18 PM Response to Reply #321 |
325. Well ten years doing EMS and |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 08:25 PM Response to Reply #325 |
327. but you weren't there |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 08:41 PM Response to Reply #327 |
328. Yeah I had some questions, and sorry to point this out |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 08:55 PM Response to Reply #328 |
330. Your experience means shit when you don't know the facts. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 09:03 PM Response to Reply #330 |
331. The ambulance is on the scene, ski patrol looks at skier and says "they need you to tell them you wo |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 10:01 PM Response to Reply #331 |
342. and the ski patrol tells her, well you need to let them know and |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 11:29 PM Response to Reply #342 |
352. Talk and die syndrome |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 12:11 AM Response to Reply #352 |
354. What did her pupil's reflect? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 12:21 AM Response to Reply #354 |
355. You do not know what assessment first responders did |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #355 |
356. Cops are first responders, firemen are first responders |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 12:32 AM Response to Reply #356 |
357. I also know that I cannot touch a patient legally |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 12:40 AM Response to Reply #357 |
358. It is pure ego that compels you to defend this. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 12:50 AM Response to Reply #358 |
360. Nah it is you making it personal |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 01:01 AM Response to Reply #360 |
361. It is not a criminal complaint |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 01:08 AM Response to Reply #361 |
362. sorry but interfering with EMS is a felony |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 09:02 PM Response to Reply #301 |
366. EXACTLY... WELL SAID! |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #246 |
249. Thou are correct! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #249 |
251. They MAY bet the chopper. The head of the McGill system |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #251 |
254. Maybe, but it'll be years off and the govt has already said "sorry." |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #254 |
255. The only reason you need the helo is |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #255 |
260. Y'ouch! Glad nothing happened to you! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #260 |
261. Yeah private service, was readying about it, subscriber |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #204 |
208. Waivers are overcome legally every day. Since she received no medical advice |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #208 |
238. I didn't say anything like that |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #238 |
259. You're overlooking a third possibility. |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #259 |
308. Do NOTHING??? |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #204 |
216. The only thing that family could do |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #216 |
256. Knives' edge to be specific |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 09:39 PM Response to Reply #189 |
336. EMT's Can Bolt At The First Sign Of Refusal Or They Can Be More Assertive...Or Not! |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 09:16 AM Response to Reply #175 |
193. No Such Thing As A Level 3 Trauma Center... Unbelievable the MIS-Info Spewed Here! |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #193 |
211. BS.There are even level 4 ones, speaking of MIS-info being spewed... |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #211 |
333. What You Are Talking About Is Average Hospital That Is An LZ Fot The Helo To Level One |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 03:04 AM Response to Reply #333 |
365. "No such thing as a Level 3 trauma center". Links show you wrong. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #193 |
232. Please review the link provided listing trauma centers |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 09:52 PM Response to Reply #232 |
338. Nobody talks About Such Trivial Nomenclature Here... Nobody is Flown To Level 3or 4! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 01:31 AM Response to Reply #338 |
364. Please review the definitions of Levels by the American College of Surgeons |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 09:59 PM Response to Reply #364 |
367. Yes EMT I HAve Not Worked "In The Field" My Prep Is A Few DEGREES Beyond That! |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 09:57 PM Response to Reply #193 |
340. No Such Designation In Florida That Anyone Ordinarily Discusses... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #175 |
245. Welcome to DU |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 06:10 AM Response to Original message |
190. another DUer to put on ignore -- yippee!!!! |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 09:31 AM Response to Reply #190 |
195. Your Analysis Is Completely Off But Your Lessons Are First Rate! |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #195 |
198. Let me answer your question: |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #198 |
210. Way. eom |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #198 |
240. I wish I could recommend just his post |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #198 |
349. And Your Profession IS... Pro Blogger! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #190 |
207. You missed a couple of lessons. |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #207 |
244. that can only be done if the person hasn't already refused to do so |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #244 |
262. The hotel employee, if s/he had been smart, wouldn't want to speak to the |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #190 |
230. A helmet probably wouldn't have saved her. |
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chatnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #190 |
239. So she did have surgery? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
212. Unfortunately, everyone is entitled to refuse medical assistance |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #212 |
220. Of note, every member of the Armed forces, and law enforcement |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #212 |
263. Did you know that she also refused assistance the second time, |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
213. I won't debate the clinical aspects of it, but I will say... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #213 |
222. Of note, Dale Earthart refused to wear the donut |
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theNotoriousP.I.G. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
247. Ok Hyacinth Bucket |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 06:01 PM Response to Reply #247 |
265. How do you know that symptoms began too late? Just because the resort employees |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #265 |
266. Once again, my EMT B course was 65 bucks |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 06:07 PM Response to Reply #266 |
268. How long ago was that? n/t |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #268 |
271. The 120 hours are still the standard of training for an EMT -B |
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theNotoriousP.I.G. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 06:11 PM Response to Reply #265 |
270. Because she's dead |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #270 |
276. It isn't a flame war |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #276 |
279. what part of she said no to that initial medical care from EMS crews |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #279 |
283. Why can't you see that no one at the hotel was under any legal obligation |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:08 PM Response to Reply #283 |
287. First responders, she is able to answer the game of 20 questions |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #287 |
307. The medics, having been called, had a perfect right to walk up to her and |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 08:01 PM Response to Reply #307 |
318. no they don't... and that is the point some of us have been trying to splain to you |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #318 |
324. You're coming at it from your background as an EMT. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #324 |
329. I don't think this is open and shut |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 09:37 PM Response to Reply #329 |
335. You should familiarize yourself with exceptions to the refusal-of-consent |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 09:58 PM Response to Reply #335 |
341. From news stories she was competent |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 09:43 PM Response to Reply #335 |
369. Evidence Of Head Injury IS A LOCK! Why Tobaggan Run Talk To Instructor Witness... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #279 |
284. Why can't you see that no one at the hotel was under any legal obligation |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #279 |
288. BTW, the ski patrol were not the EMS on the ambulance |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #288 |
305. THey are the first responders |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #305 |
310. They were not the EMS on the ambulance on scene. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #310 |
313. FIRST RESPONDERS... try to learn what that means |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #313 |
320. Grow up. |
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theNotoriousP.I.G. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #276 |
280. When does it become a flame war? |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #280 |
282. it is because it was an accident that had a horrible outcome |
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theNotoriousP.I.G. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #282 |
292. It wasn't handled differently |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #292 |
295. Hell, people posting the explanation points and in all caps don't change |
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theNotoriousP.I.G. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #295 |
299. taking your advice merh |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:38 PM Response to Reply #299 |
304. Sleep well |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 10:36 PM Response to Reply #295 |
350. This is An Opportunity For People To Learn and Benefit From The Discussion |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #350 |
351. I understand the purpose of your thread and thank you for posting |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #350 |
353. Why you have yet to address the existence of L-III trauma centers in the US |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-26-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #353 |
370. As I Said People who Read The Discussion Will Quickly Figure Out Who Is Real And Who Is not. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #270 |
281. The resort employees turned the medical professionals away |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #281 |
290. Alert and oriented times four |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #290 |
297. You left out the critical source. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #297 |
300. Unfortunately I cannot give you access to any specific patient |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:49 PM Response to Reply #300 |
312. Right. So every time you've said that, you've been making up the facts. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #312 |
314. I am getting to educated conclusions on what the news stories report |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #314 |
317. No, I think stupidity was committed. And that this has the potential |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 08:04 PM Response to Reply #317 |
319. Refusal of care is a serious charge, it does involve murder |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #319 |
322. The case, if there was one, would be civil. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #322 |
323. There won't be... talk and die syndrome counselor, real medical condition |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #297 |
326. What does "turned away" mean? |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 10:23 PM Response to Reply #265 |
347. Well Put MOM! |
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bottomtheweaver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 01:12 AM Response to Reply #347 |
363. shout out to you mom and merh |
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likesmountains 52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
334. I was going to stay out of this but really...none of us were there, none of us know all of |
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tomreedtoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
359. Prevent such accidents. STOP SKIING. |
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