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Are_grits_groceries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:51 AM Original message |
WTF happened?? |
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sazemisery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
1. Both. n/t |
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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
2. WOW. K&R. n/t |
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radfringe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
3. 1980 - reagan |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
4. The Profit first capitalistic model overtaking the prison system. |
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Rockholm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:50 AM Response to Reply #4 |
27. Wasn't there a report on "60 Minutes" about this? |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
5. Rushpublican Voter Suppression and "fascistization" program |
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marketcrazy1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:56 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. the "drug war" and for profit prisons |
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dmr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:14 AM Response to Reply #7 |
35. And don't forget bigotry |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
6. The fact that this all began in 1980 is highly significant... |
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Minimus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
8. I would say both of your guesses have much to do with it. |
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WannaJumpMyScooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
9. drug war and mandatory sentencing |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
10. St. Ronnie and the 'war on drugs'. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:12 AM Response to Reply #10 |
20. The term was first used by Richard Milhouse Nixon in 1969 |
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elizfeelinggreat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
11. Yikes |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
12. K&R for a truly mind boggling graphic. --nt |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
13. Incarceration rate is the same for Reagan, Bush1,&Clinton, but decelerated under Bush2 |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:05 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. They ran out of people. n/t |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:08 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. They ran out of room. |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:01 AM Response to Reply #16 |
32. Exactly -- most states can't take any more prisoners |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 06:32 AM Response to Reply #15 |
65. Thanks, that is funny. |
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file83 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
60. The Army lowered it's standards. |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 08:23 AM Response to Reply #60 |
66. Now the gangbangers are trained killers. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
14. the de-industrialization of the big cities ... |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
37. that is part of it for sure |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
17. The War On (some) Drugs |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
18. cheney the dick has a stake in for profit prisons |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
19. ronbo raygun happened. |
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Gidney N Cloyd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
21. 3 Strikes You're Out. Mandatory Sentencing Laws. Fucking Reagan. Fucking Bush. |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
22. the graph should also take into account the population rise over that time period |
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surrealAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. That's just what I was thinking. |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #26 |
50. I don't have a chart, but here are some numbers... |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #22 |
30. I made the assumption that the rate before 1980 extended out would approximate the pop. incr. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #22 |
51. Population rose by about 1/3 between 1980 and 2005. |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. And the number of crimes dropped by about 18% |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
23. 80's, me me me, divorce (breakup of family unit), n/t |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:53 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Chickens Coming Home To Roost? |
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xiamiam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
24. cheney needed to make money...nt |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
25. yes, and yes |
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ThatsMyBarack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
29. Did they bring back debtors' prisons?? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
31. "Just Say No" (or you'll be thrown in jail) |
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BlueJac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
33. Prisons for profit!! |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
34. Well, it's not -quite- as bad as that graph makes it appear. If you calculate |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
36. just say no, the war on drugs |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
38. FASCISM happens...especially when people are simultaneously aloof, and cocksure it can't happen here |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. Bingo! |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #38 |
53. Perhaps redundant, but it should be noted that America's phony "wars" always target its own populace |
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byronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
39. Remember those PA judges -- |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. I sourced that ugly article at another forum and not one person opined |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
41. prisons for profit, madatory minimum sentencing....just a few |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
42. Where was the dip for the Clinton years since he was a Democrat? |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. But...but...but what does that say then about the party?! |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. democrats like profits too. |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. Money Party members like money-imho |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
44. Damn! That is scary !! |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
46. Reagan elected in 1980, took office in '81 |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. Bingo. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
47. War on Drugs and mandatory minimums |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
48. Prisons R Us |
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Jack Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
52. Reagan |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
55. For profit prisons |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
57. Reagan happened |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
59. You forgot to control for, oh, everything...that's what happened |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:58 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. We have the highest incarceration rate on the planet. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
61. White folks finally got to start rounding up scary black folks. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
62. "Drug laws?? Prisons for profit??" - pretty much, yes. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 05:32 AM Response to Original message |
64. GOP and GOP-Lite |
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Sunnyshine (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
67. Prisons for profit, systemic failures, joblessness, poverty, drug abuse, ignoring young people, |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
68. Pot/recreational drug users make for a peaceful prison population |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
69. Prisoner commodity trading, for profit private prisons. They are looking for you as a warm body! |
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chrisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
70. War on Drugs nt |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
71. And lookee here: |
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