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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 09:47 PM
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Edited on Wed Mar-28-07 09:52 PM by hang a left
peacepatriot today...


Yes, it sure feels like deja vu all over again. Gonzogate doesn't touch the war profiteers

directly. It's a "safe" way to take Bush/Cheney down (or, in any case, to curtail them), without seriously threatening our monstrous "military-industrial complex," or the phony "war on drugs" and its prison-industrial complex and its filthy operations in Latin America*. The real scandal in the DoJ may be the "war on drugs," with the political scandal (the firings) being only a side scandal (or a connecting scandal). But the "war on drugs" has--at least in the past--been a bipartisan sacred cow (milk cow, boondoggle). That Rove and Gonzales would be firing US attorneys for political reasons, pressuring US attorneys to prosecute on a political basis, and planting Bushite political operatives in US attorney positions to (among other things) cover up vast Bushite wrongdoing, is not all that surprising--and, although it involves crimes like obstruction of justice and lying to Congress, and although it rapes and ruins any ethical tradition in the DoJ, these offenses pale into significance next to Bushite war crimes, Bushite theft, and the Bush Junta as a criminal syndicate and terrorist organization itself--involved in illicit weapons profiteering, drug trafficking, torture for profit, death squads and assassinations. And this is the problem for politicians who support the "military-industrial complex" and the US "war on drugs": The Bush Junta doesn't play by the rules. It is giving war and the police state a bad name. And all the filthy global corporate predators who are connected to these US federal boondoggles--and to whom many of our politicians are in thrall--don't want THEIR activities exposed or their power threatened. How to curtail Bush/Cheney--who are making them all look so bad--and RETAIN global corporate predator control of our government?

Nixon slaughtered about a million people in Southeast Asia. That crime pales into insignificance next to the Watergate and Ellsberg burglaries. The burglaries are related to that slaughter, of course. (They were apparently intending to plant bugs in the DNC headquarters during the antiwar presidential campaign of Democratic candidate George McGovern; and they were trying to find dirt on Daniel Ellsberg, the Pentagon Vietnam War whistleblower.) Nixon was impeached and forced to resign because he was involved in providing hush money to the burglars (caught on tape in the Oval Office), not because he was napalming and bombing and shooting a million people in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. That was a highly lucrative activity for the war profiteers, and was not permitted to come under serious scrutiny. Too bad. We might have stopped all this--the manufacture of unnecessary war--back then.

In that sense, you could regard Watergate as a whitewash. It preserved and protected the war machine--so that it could make a comeback under Bush/Cheney. And, considering the range and horror of the Bush Junta's crimes, you could regard this US Attorneys scandal in a similar way. As a distraction.

But history doesn't repeat itself, not really. It is a more like a gyre (W.B. Yeats' metaphor) with repeating themes, giving us repeated opportunities to solve certain problems in the human spirit. What would Yeats--an Irish rebel--think of the startling peace accord we saw the other day, between the Protestants and the Catholics in Northern Ireland? The end of a 500 year war. The human race, on the whole, is on an upward progressive trend. And, if we don't destroy our planet--which I think may depend on restoration of democracy in the US--we are headed toward a better world, as to human progressive values (equality, social justice, higher consciousness). Our biggest problem is our very success as a species--too many people for earth's limited resources, given the global corporate predator organization of the exploitation of resources for the profit of the few. This problem--the biggest crisis that the human race has ever encountered--may override and completely smother both the many scandals of the Bushites AND the efforts of the corporate rulers to limit the damage. The biggest scandal of all may be what the Bush Junta and its corporate ruler puppetmasters have NOT DONE to prevent the loss of our planet.

THIS scandal--the scandal of profiteering in a time of maximum peril to all life on earth--only barely grazed our consciousness, back during the Watergate era. Some were concerned about the environment. Virtually no one knew just how bad things already were. So, where do we stand on history's great gyre? How to place this US attorney firings scandal--and all the other even worse, and, indeed, mind-boggling, scandals of the Bush Junta--in context NOW? Watergate is an interesting precedent. We can learn a lot from it. But this is a different time. We have a much bigger problem to address than the Bush Junta tyranny, although it may be that destroying the Bush Junta with exposes and punishments is a necessary part of restoring democracy here. One lesson of Watergate is that--gratifying as it was to see that Vietnam war criminal Nixon go down in flames--the impacts of that impeachment were only a temporary setback to the war profiteers. The war machine survived it. As Yurbud so rightfully points out, the powers-that-be (war profiteers and associated global corporate predators) are trying the same tactic now--letting a little steam out of the system, letting a few scandals emerge, throwing some meat to the dogs. But will they succeed with lesser-scandal-as-distraction this time? Are we not at a very different place on gyre than we were 40 years ago? Are we not now looking at one of those repeating opportunities to solve problems of the human spirit? Is it not time for the American people--with its magnificent history of rebellion and social justice--to finally throw the war machine off our backs, and begin to address this overarching problem of our impacts on the natural world, with all the creativity and passion of which we are capable?

Maybe what we need is a Peoples' Congress, which exposes and indicts the Bushites (and any Democratic colluders), and sentences them all to lifetimes of cleaning bedpans in veterans' hospitals, and then organizes the democratic revolution that will be needed to enforce those indictments--to take over the actual Congress, and the White House--but with the goal of disposing of the past, and moving on with the positive goal of saving the planet. War is insane. Killing people to control the last of a resource is the old way and it is unacceptable. We need firmly to reject it--forevermore. Violent revolution is also insane. Killing people to create justice is the old way, and it, too, is unacceptable. But one thing we can retrieve from the past, for our use now, is the notion of our sovereignty as a people, and our right to say what's what and who shall rule, and that includes our right to dismantle all these bad actor corporations, and start over.


*(I think we've got another huge Bush/Cheney scandal boiling beneath the surface in Colombia. Their pal President Uribe and his chief of intelligence and also the head of Colombia's military--which the Bush Junta has larded with billions of our tax dollars--are involved in a major scandal in Colombia involving rightwing paramilitary drug trafficking, mass murder of leftists, union organizers and peasants, and a plot ot assassinate Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez. Disclosures so far--amazing though they are (amazing because they are BEING disclosed)--may be only the tip of the iceberg of a fascist/Bushite plan to destabilize South America and reconquer it for the Global Corporate Predators who are running the Bush Junta. Stay tuned on this one. Considering the huge democratic revolution that is occurring in Latin America, this scandal may be the means both of gaining allies in our struggle against US militarism and corporate rule, and ridding ourselves of the present evildoers in a more comprehensive way, than with the US attorney scandal. And the two scandals may in fact be related. One of the US attorneys involved in purging other US attorneys--Johnny Sutton, in San Antonio--has been involved a coverup of DEA-sanctioned murders in Juarez, another US "war on drugs" scandal/horror. For the Sutton connection, see: http://narcosphere.narconews.com/story/2007/3/26/205547... .)

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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 10:01 PM
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1. k&r nt
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 10:16 PM
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2. yes the root of all the evil... nt
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 12:29 PM
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22. here's the link to the OP and the narcosphere article
The narcosphere link was munged when you copied it.
Peace Patriot's post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=520742&mesg_id=521220
Narcosphere article: http://narcosphere.narconews.com/story/2007/3/26/205547/411
"Emails link Johnny "House of Death" Sutton to DOJ firing scandal"

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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 10:19 PM
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3. Amazing

Of course these idiots don't care about the environment. We are all in for a rude awakening in dealing with the environment and need for balance, in the coming century.
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 10:21 PM
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4. K&R n/t
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Jonathan50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 10:24 PM
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5. How it's done...

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 10:29 PM
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6. !
How history repeats itself adnauseam...
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 10:29 PM
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7. K&R! Beautiful...
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 10:33 PM
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8. Why are they so fascinated with South and Central America???
I read today that Uruguay is intent on extraditing Kissinger for war crimes dating back to the late 60's.

Additionally, I've had quite the education in our policies during the Reagan and Bush41 years from several Salvadoran, Honduran and Colombian friends.

I don't know what Carter's, Ford's or Clinton's involvement may have been, but we have been committing war crimes in much of our own hemisphere for the past 40 years. What I don't find surprising is who was involved in those administrations and, again, in the current administration.

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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 10:45 PM
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9. You will find many seekers of the truth here...
The atrocities in Latin America have not gone unseen within our readership.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 10:01 AM
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17. Lots of valuables there, and it's relatively nearby.
While any potus does have some influence on policies (and is formally responsible for it) - the amount of influence they and their party actually have is very limited. Partially because of what some govt branches do in secret without any oversight (ie Iran/contra), partially because most of what a president knows is what advisers tell him.


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CRH Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 01:04 PM
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23. and, even beyond the recognized government branches ...
"Partially because of what some govt branches do in secret without any oversight (ie Iran/contra), partially because most of what a president knows is what advisers tell him."

And, ... not just government branches, but also NGO's who have no government oversight. They can derive their funding from government appropriations, or private or corporate sources, while being administered by revolving door political staffers, out of work. They have taken over many of the more mundane tasks the CIA was brought to account for, in the 70's.

It is all in the design of 'plausible denial', that continues to creep further from the source of contamination, the money that masquerades behind the politics of corporate capitalism.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 01:09 PM
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24. Yes, privatized intel agencies are an important factor
The impression is that it's a new thing, with Blackwater announcing the creation of an intelligence branch - but it seems it isn't all that new.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 11:00 PM
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10. One of the finest posts ever written. It wraps everything up so well. Everything.
:thumbsup:

K&R
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 11:18 PM
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11. There really isn't much more to say is there? nt
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 11:42 PM
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12. According to Palast, they need to get rid of Chavez because of the huge
oil reserves he controls, and which he has offered to open up to the US and to poor communities in particular, cutting $1/gallon from the price of gas...NOT what the oil profiteers want...
just as this war is not really about finding more oil for the sake of SUPPLYING more oil; it's about finding more oil to CONTROL AND LIMIT the supply, thus keeping prices artificially high and raking in the dough for Chimpy and Cheney the Dick and the oil company execs who helped to write our enegery policy in secret.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 10:09 AM
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18. According to Palast, there's no particular reason why they'd do that now,
while they have not done so in the past - certainly not to the extent that they're doing that now - in spite of the fact that the oil industry has always wanted to maximize profit.

Palast denies the one thing that's different now compared to the past 100 years or so: oil supplies are becoming restrained because of geological causes - a process that can not ever reverse.
The oil industry knows this and they anticipate it: in the not to distant future they will need lots of money in order to be able to exploit increasingly less profitable sources of oil.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 11:52 PM
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13. Awesome post. Absolutely awesome.
"War is insane. Killing people to control the last of a resource is the old way and it is unacceptable. We need firmly to reject it--forevermore. Violent revolution is also insane. Killing people to create justice is the old way, and it, too, is unacceptable. But one thing we can retrieve from the past, for our use now, is the notion of our sovereignty as a people, and our right to say what's what and who shall rule, and that includes our right to dismantle all these bad actor corporations, and start over."
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 12:09 AM
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14. Yes, the profiteers
I still wonder, which of the profiteers come in first and which come in second and third? Iraq is being set up for continuous war... we have created the enemies who fight each other and seethe with equal hatred at us...we will need to stay there and "pacify" the problem of course thereby protecting the oil profiteers interests. There will be at least a generation of Middle Easterners who will hate America for this crime...many will be willing to shed their own blood in order to get revenge against us...thereby giving us the needed excuse to continue our "War on Terrorism".

An international citizens tribunal would work... it would need to be hosted by an international agency, one who had no ties to any single country...perhaps the UN...never mind, seems the profiteers already had considered that angle and the UN no longer has the credibility it needs here...
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 01:54 AM
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15. Here's where we're all headed....forget "red" pill "blue" pill..




You're correct, there has to be an ancillary scandal to teardown the *'ies. It' can't be systemic at all. I think that Gonzo gate goes in too many real directions to be allowed to go on for long.

Look what they did to the Republicans to send a message, just before the election.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0610/S00155.htm

It's gotta be sex again, hookergate, congresmen taking limousines on tax payer dollars to get serviced at the Watergate, of all places, again on tax dollars...or something like that.

Sex is easy to understand. Then when the neocons are gone, or as they're going and afterwards, all the lazy press can say, "The system worked..."

Actually, they won't get away with it for long. The eco catastrophes that even the Pentagon report predicted in the next 10 - 12 years will cause a real uproar.

Excellent points. NarcoNews is a great source, one to be trusted.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 08:43 AM
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16. Peacepatriot is definitely one of DU's best writers. Right on the mark. rec'd
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 10:35 AM
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19. This is so true. nt
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 10:39 AM
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20. "...may threaten others in Congress and the CIA"
FBI probes Watergate prostitution allegations
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12634250 /

"It's all part of a growing ongoing investigation into corruption in defense and intelligence contracts, which already has sent former Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham to prison and, legal sources say, may threaten others in Congress and the CIA. "

Very powerful forces at work to prevent the truth from getting daylight. Internet and bloggers a la V is the only way along with INSIDERS willing to go 'all in' and spill it in order to preserve the Constitution.

Will DUers do their share of carrying the load ? Spread the word
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 04:46 PM
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28. Many of us have no doubt that Plame was a way of ruining CIA operation that
would have traced illegal arms and weapon proliferation back to the same folks behind it in the 70s,80, and 90s - BushInc.

Does anyone REALLY think Poppy Bush and his gang woke up one day in Jan 1993 and decided to STOP moneylaundering, drugrunning and armsdealing their way around the world?
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 12:25 PM
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21. Profiteering and privatizing: A related cross-post thread
"A DU collaborative investigation: National Energy Policy Development Group/NEPDG"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x440721

This is a cross-posted parent thread for researchers, imo post 1 is valuable-share the truth with others.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 01:10 PM
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25. Next step: Identifying the Players!
Edited on Thu Mar-29-07 01:13 PM by bvar22
Party affiliation is not a good marker. Many in the Democratic Party have been compromised by the "War Machine", but there are some who fight for us.

These ISSUES can be used to separate wheat from the chaff:

FREE TRADE
Forget the smoke and mirrors. The results are in. FREE TRADE is a scam.
Continued support for the disastrous policies of FREE TRADE are an indicator that a "rep" is on the payroll. Don't support anyone who still blathers that FREE TRADE is a good thing, or that Globalization is some weird, magical thing that happens all by itself. Trade Treaties are written by politicians on the Corporate Payroll, and can be unwritten by politicians that represent The People.
Stop sending money to politicians who support FREE TRADE.

Support for The War Machine
The appropriations for the WAR MACHINE in the US have gone beyond INSANE. ANY rep who favors MORE MONEY to the War Machine does NOT represent you. Find reps who support REDUCING (1/2) Defense and support them.

Publicly Financed Elections
This ONE ISSUE can be used as a touchstone. It is THE ISSUE that can give control back to the citizens. If your favorite politician does NOT support this (or avoids talking about this), you are being scammed. Find someone else.

ANY association with the DLC
The DLC is a front organization funded by the owners of large Corporations to funnel LARGE Single Source contributions to candidates who will do the bidding of the MegaCorps. The DLC is NOT your friend if you work for a living.

Election Fraud (BBV)
Election Fraud is a HUGE issue in the US by which the few can maintain control of the many.
Most of the Democratic Party is strangely quiet about this issue.


I still believe that reform is possible from within the Democratic Party. There are HUGE obstacles to overcome:
*The Corporate Owned Media,
*the inertia of the system itself
*the moderates(sheep) within the Democratic Party who are satisfied with the status quo,
*the Machine Access to slick Madison Avenue promotion and advertising that makes black seem like white. Mountains of money (usually your tax money) is channeled to these consultants to influence public opinion.
"Big Brother is GOOD for you! Eating Toxic Waste (Monsanto) is GOOD for you! Free Trade is GOOD for you! You HAVE to settle for small steps! You CAN'T just STOP a War."




There ARE Democrats who have NOT been bought. You can find them here:
http://www.pdamerica.org/


The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.


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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 10:59 PM
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32. Perfect Addendum to OP.
So, ya'll are saying .. We can get our country back?

Would that leave a vacuum for some other nefarious schemes from, say, other countries?
I am All in favor of retrieving our Democracy.
But, remember, when We The People get our LEGAL form of government in place, we still have to deal with the rest of the world.

Any thoughts about that?
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 01:32 PM
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26. k&r&bookmarked forever.
:patriot:
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 04:31 PM
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27. THIS Is the way I hope everyone can view the situation.
"But history doesn't repeat itself, not really. It is a more like a gyre (W.B. Yeats' metaphor) with repeating themes, giving us repeated opportunities to solve certain problems in the human spirit."

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 07:31 PM
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29. I'm too late to recommend this thread,
Edited on Thu Mar-29-07 07:33 PM by Raksha
but kicking and bookmarked anyway. This is one of the best posts I've ever read on DU, and that's saying a LOT!!!
:kick:
Edited to say I wasn't too late to recommend it after all - so I did!
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 09:25 PM
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30. Damn.
All for their own wealth... you can't take it with you; everyone dies. And to ruin so many lives, and ruin our planet for it... god. :grr:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 09:43 PM
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31. Damn...Hooray for Peace PatriotI
I'd missed the Peace Patriot reference at the very start.

She's the best and I'm glad to see her get her due of attention.

Peace Patriot, :yourock:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 11:18 PM
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33. kick
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 07:01 PM
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34. Kick for Peace Patriot!
:kick:
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 07:43 PM
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35. Kick again
And bookmarked
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 09:06 PM
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36. Kicking again...
:kick:
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 04:52 PM
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37. Great post
:kick:
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