Language... and capitalism... or other political systems

[nadinbrzezinski]

Ok it is time to play a critical game that nobody cares to

The US is a capitalist system... no, not really

Capitalism as envisioned by Adam Smith is a collection of small producers, competing with each other for market share and the efficient production. Why he even envisioned mass production, in his nails example

The closest this country got to this in any modern sense was after T.R, as a good traitor to his class, went ahead and broke up the monopolies of his age. That led to forty years where small producers and businesses were able to compete, and the economy expand.

What we have today is far from it, or best case an aberrant form of capitalism. The form we have has far more in common with the classic fascism envisioned by Mussolini, where the goals of the state are the same as those of the corporation, which preferably is a monopoly.

So time we use the correct language

But, but where is the secret police? You don't need the secret police for the underlying economic and political forms to take the characteristics of the fascist state

Oh and lastly, the modern republican party has taken on the goals of fascism, more properly called corporatism.

So use the language and use it correctly. When I talked about how some in the right are using the language of violent revolution, they know exactly what they are doing. When they call Obama a commie, see what I said about Fascism... and chiefly open a book on how fascist states call any kind of social reform that does not push their goals

Chew on this... for this is what we are fighting and if we loose, this friendly fascism will reveal its other face, sooner or later... ah the move from Dictablanda to dictadura will be swift, no matter who is nominally in charge.

[Odin2005]

1. The ideal capitalism Libertarians support only works in pre-industrial societies.

That's why Thomas Jefferson feared industrialization, he knew it would make his Libertarian Utopia impossible because of the economies of scale brought about by industrialization. Industrialization allowed businesses to become so large that they could pervert democracy and liberty.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Let make this clear, crystal clear

we are not talking of Jefferson and his ideal yeoman citizen, mostly white mostly a land owner, we are talking of a modern form of fascism

This is what we are dealing with

Modern Libertarians want this fascism and the population control it implies, no matter how hard they protest. (And those who believe in the true freedom of the individual are carefully kept away from power)

Though those in power also share a certain perversion of the lawlessness that they envision, where the only true goal of the state is national defense, read mussolini on this. The only true role of the state is defense

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. kick

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. kick

[Naturyl]

5. Ding ding ding.

Yep, you are pretty much right. Corporatocracy is neo-Fascism and we are a long way down the road toward it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. What scares me is how many people refuse to have this conversation

[Naturyl]

9. It isn't a pleasant conversation to have.

Many people prefer a rose-colored world. Things too scary to face are avoided.

Which, of course, is what those behind many of these scary things are counting on.

[Kip Humphrey]

6. Fascism can be found at the root of the phrase, "too big to fail".

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Exacrly

[Mike 03]

10. I think I understand and agree in principle with your post.

The problem I think a lot of us face is pure exhaustion and loss of hope.

It's hard to fight when you have nothing left to fight with.

[Mike 03]

11. K and R. Everything you write is worth consideration. NT.

[Ichingcarpenter]

12. Dictablanda to dictadura

Dictablanda is a word used by political scientists to describe a dictatorship in which civil liberties are mostly preserved rather than destroyed.

The word dictablanda is a portmanteau of the Spanish words dictadura ("dictatorship") and blanda ("soft"); there is also an element of punning involved in that blanda replaces dura ("hard").

The term was first used in Spain in 1930 when Gen. Dámaso Berenguer replaced Gen. Miguel Primo de Rivera y Orbaneja as the head of the ruling military junta (directorio militar) and attempted to reduce tensions in the country by repealing some of the harsher measures that had been introduced by the dictator. It was also used to refer to the latter years of the regime of Gen. Francisco Franco, and to the hegemonic 70-year one-party rule of the Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI) in Mexico.

The term "dictablanda" can be usefully contrasted with democradura, meaning an illiberal democracy — a system in which the government and its leaders are elected, but is nevertheless relatively deficient in civil liberties.

An example of this is Pakistan from the bloodless coup by Pervez Musharaf from October 12, 1999 to January 1, 2004, when Musharraf constitutionally became President of the country by winning 56% of the votes in its Electoral College<1> and also the confirmation of Pinochet


dictadura is a Chilean term:

interesting Post.

Humanism, Liberal, Socialist, Left, environmentalist have gotten slammed over the last 40 years how about a new word?



Giaism? Gia o ist?

Anyway I had to look up those words
and here are the links.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Dictadura


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictablanda

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. I enjoyed the Dictablanda growing up, really

why the last eight years were ahem, so familiar

:-)

[Mike 03]

13. nadinbrzezinski

Would you please either write a book or create a website or publish something that can be reflected on and studied in depth?

Your ideas are so intriguing and intelligent, but they are so complex that a website is not the best place to absorb them. I wish I had something on paper to carefully digest, think about, and absorb.

Please.

You have to admit, your posts are complex. (At least for some of us dunces.)

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. I write fiction, damn it

:-)

No seriously

I write fiction... but some of the elements of this are in the fictional world of future nexus

(www.deistgames.com)

In fact, right now ending the hurting of some characters... first rule of writing fiction... what can you do to your characters today...

But in that I also included the rise of a classic tyranny, for at least the few months it took to make it a legal government, and the rise of a 19th century styled constitutional monarchy.

By the by one reason for the failures of the state in that fictional world is a fascist state to the nth degree, but without the obvious means of control