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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 03:29 PM Original message |
Anyone favor merit pay for cops? firefighters? |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
1. how bout merit pay for DU posters - only those we like get it tho nt |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. LOL |
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erinlough (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
46. Candy hearts are DU's merit pay! |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:39 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. No they're not...at least not while you can buy them for YOURSELF |
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T Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
2. GREAT question. I'm interested in seeing the DU response to this. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
3. Sounds like a great idea to me. |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
4. Sounds OK to me. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. I don't know where you live, but around here teacher and cop is a good paying job |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 05:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
87. as a cop, i agree |
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BamaGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 03:20 AM Response to Reply #11 |
109. Not here |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 03:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. You really want cops paid based on the number of people they arrest? Or low crime scores? |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Then perhaps we should measure performance some other way. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
5. Doctors and nurses too. |
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PufPuf23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
6. The question is merit pay versus EARNED tenure |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
7. Social workers? Civil defence lawyers? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Works for me |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
9. sure I believe that there may be appropriate use for merit pay |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. So how would we reasonably measure the job performance of a cop? |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Because I'm not a cop, I'm not a good resource for that information |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. And how do they determine who the best performing cops are? |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Ask any police chief, they do it every day. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Let's ask Joe Arpaio first |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. He's an elected Sheriff, not a police chief. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. So only cops should be on a merit pay schedule? Not all law enforcement officers? |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #41 |
53. I was being deliberately snarky but so far nobody has explained why it's a bad idea to |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. I am rewarded for excellence every day |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. Well, that's great and good for you; my sis is a teacher like you, BUT you started the thread |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. My point is that we don't pay cops with merit pay; why do we think it will work for teachers? |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #72 |
91. Apparently the reason neither cops nor teachers get merit pay |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #91 |
104. They are on a step pay scale which is very common for govt employees |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 09:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
106. By how many people they shoot each shift, how else? |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
13. That asshole of a sheriff in Arizona would love that idea. k+r, n/t |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
17. can you link me to the crime stats you are using? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. Google it |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #28 |
42. another cop out (no pun intended.) |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. I did indeed back up with facts |
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tanngrisnir3 (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
18. How about merit points for posts? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
30. I get 60,000 |
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POAS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
19. Absolutely |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
90. our unions |
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POAS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #90 |
97. I used these examples |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
20. No Dental Patient Left Behind |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
21. No. I think we should keep rewarding mediocrity. |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Guess I spoke too soon. n/t |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. I'm on record saying teachers are for the most part grossly underpaid. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. My salary is a reward? |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. It is, or should be. You're an underpaid good teacher; I'm taking issue with the overpaid |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. I have |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. My list is growing as well. |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:33 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Ignoring unreasonable children: Works fine at times in the classroom as well. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #49 |
62. I don't have that luxury |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #62 |
79. I hear you. |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #43 |
83. you must be a great teacher, shutting out those who you don't agree with |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #83 |
92. Unless DUers are elementary students |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
24. Merit pay for cops could have unexpected consequences. |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
36. Which police departments have those quotas? |
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tanngrisnir3 (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. It is illegal in the US to have quotas for law enforcement. |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #37 |
51. Doesn't stop them b/c it isn't "on the books". |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. What exactly is a 'traffic defense attorney'? Is it something like a |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. Basically, you get a ticket. |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Ah! I get it, you're the legal advocate that can get a sodomy charged reduced down to |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 05:00 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. I'm the Queen. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #51 |
74. Yes in my little no crime suburban area the cops definitely hand out more tickets |
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tanngrisnir3 (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #74 |
85. Which proves, let's see here......... nothing. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #85 |
93. It proves the cops in my city |
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tanngrisnir3 (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. No, it proves basically that you have said you believe it, but not... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. So you think I am imagining cop cars on my street? |
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tanngrisnir3 (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 08:46 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. No, not at all. I'm saying personal anecdotes do nothing towards |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 09:11 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. All I said was the cops hand out more tickets at the end of the month on my street |
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tanngrisnir3 (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #51 |
84. Not where I have worked. Utterly illegal and an open door to huge lawsuits. |
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etherealtruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
26. Sounds like a good idea |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. But individuals don't respond to fires |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #29 |
44. How about the firefighter who brown-noses the chief |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Great point |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Hell, mine supposedly has a "hit list" and all you have to do to be on it |
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etherealtruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:33 PM Response to Reply #29 |
50. True ... |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. So what if it takes years to put out the fire? |
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etherealtruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:52 PM Response to Reply #56 |
70. I am not an advocate of using standardized testing as a sole measure |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 05:05 PM Response to Reply #70 |
78. I appreciate your derision of the test as the eval. However, |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
27. Merit pay is fine for cops, firefighters, and teachers -- you're issue should be the criteria |
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etherealtruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Exactly |
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FLyellowdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
40. This is why merit pay won't work... |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #40 |
59. The fact that you recognize there ARE "mediocre" teachers means you admit |
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FLyellowdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #59 |
81. Not so... |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 01:52 AM Response to Reply #81 |
107. this is simply not true |
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FLyellowdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #107 |
110. Receiving recognition and "atta boys" for one's work is not the same as merit pay. |
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ourbluenation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:42 PM Response to Reply #40 |
63. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #40 |
68. Best.Analogy.EVAH! |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
47. How about members of Congress? |
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Diane R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
55. Why are so many teachers threatened by being subjected to basic standards? |
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ourbluenation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:39 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. It's not that they're threatened, its because there are so many things beyond what teachers |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. Yep. Like trying to explain why intelligent design is not science for some folks here. |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. We aren't? What do you know about teacher evaluations? Just wondering. |
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Diane R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #61 |
95. I have a Master's in Education and taught for 10 years before I had to stay home w/ an ill child. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #55 |
67. But we are subjected to standards |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. I breathe a sigh of relief when the test scores come back most years: |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
73. The "Step" System is a Hallmark of Civil Service Employment, and Public Schools |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 05:00 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. Bingo! |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
76. Of course I do. If a Cop or firefighter is |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
80. I say we should pay doctors that way. |
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Riley18 (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
82. Love this idea. Thanks! |
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vssmith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
86. How about Merit pay for senators |
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GA_ArmyVet (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
88. I believe all 3 professions should be better paid to begin with |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
89. Yes |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
98. firefighters yeah - cops no. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
99. The city where I work gives merit bonuses to police and fire. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
100. YES - I am in favor of merit pay for cops and firefighters. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 09:14 PM Response to Reply #100 |
105. Then you have no idea how a collegial community works |
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Chemical Bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
102. How about merit pay for students? |
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BamaGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 03:16 AM Response to Original message |
108. They already do here |
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kaybea (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
111. I go by the following formula (as a PA state educator): |
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