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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 04:27 PM
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Is this the end of the age of the automobile?
http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/7/2009/1731

Harvey Wasserman

March 9, 2009

As a dominant form of transportation, the automobile is dead. So is GM, which now stands for Gone Mad.

But the larger picture says that the financial crisis now enveloping the world is grounded in the transition from the automobile---and the fossils that fuel it---to a brave renewable world of reborn mass transit and green power.

If GM lives in any form, it must be owned and operated by its workers and the public.

But the larger transition is epic and global, based on a simple structural reality: the passenger car is obsolete. Auto sales have plummeted not merely because of a bad economy, but because the technology no longer makes sense.

Franklin Roosevelt took GM over in 1943-5 to make the hardware to beat the Nazis. Barack Obama should now do the same to beat climate chaos.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 04:29 PM
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1. Toyota
One-word refutation of the basic premise.

The automobile as we know it is on its way out - to be replaced by a greener version of itself.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 05:31 PM
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18. Even a Prius is unsustainable in the long run. (NT)
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 04:29 PM
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2. Suburbia would beg to differ.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 05:30 PM
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17. Suburbia doesn't know it, but it's dead too.
Exurbs will survive because that's where the food is grown.
Cities will survive because their population density is high
enough to justify bringing in the food by truck or rail.

Suburbs? Not so much.

Tesha

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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 05:33 PM
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20. need to go watch End of Suburbia again
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 04:30 PM
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3. I'm not walking.
x( Gets too hot here.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 04:30 PM
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4. im still waiting on my hover car.
damnit.
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ogneopasno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 04:31 PM
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5. Well, I'll always need one. But I do have my 1971 IHC pickup I could drive, I guess.
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HubertHeaver Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 04:31 PM
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6. Buy horse futures.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 07:20 PM
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32. Only if you're bullish on glue. There will insufficient resources to feed horses
that are kept as a mode of travel
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 04:33 PM
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7. Right . . . every reason to take over this treasonous industry . . .
and to set the workers to making electric cars and converting gas-guzzlers to hybrids!!

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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 04:35 PM
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8. Not in Texas, it's not.
We have to drive 200 miles to the nearest big city (Houston to San Antonio)and you're telling us to ride the subway???

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SoCalNative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 04:53 PM
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10. No, but light rail
above ground commuter trains would be feasible.

Or, perhaps a move closer to an actual city if you need to go there with any regularity.
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Mugweed Donating Member (939 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 05:03 PM
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11. They already tried light rail in Central FL
It turned into a fight between Disney, Sea World, and Universal as to who gets the stops. It turned from something to get commuters off the road into something to get tourists from the Orlando International Airport to Disney and the like.

The actual residents here get screwed in favor of tourists every time.
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 05:35 PM
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23. So all small to mid-sized cities are going to be serviced by light rail or commuter trains?
Not to put too fine a point on it, but that is just impossible.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 07:17 PM
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30. Busses may make an amazing comeback, though. (NT)
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 06:27 PM
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27. screw that, i moved way out to the mountains to get away from the city
not everybody wants to live in a city, theres also no way you are going to get public transport to all the places were we grow food etc.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 05:05 PM
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13. We need high-speed rail transit NOW
There's been a lot of talk about a DFW-Austin-Houston line, which would be a good thing. The technology exists, the ROW can be obtained and there are passengers waiting. But until we can quiet the airline lobbyists we'll always fight an uphill battle.



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Mugweed Donating Member (939 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 05:38 PM
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25. FL is the only state that has everything in place,
but our governor is oddly silent about grabbing part of the available $8billion to get a high-speed rail system going.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 09:44 AM
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34. My Dad's an old Florida native and what he tells me is sad
He remembers the street cars in Tampa and used to ride them all the time. By the time I was old enough to start forming memories, Tampa's street car lines were long gone.

We often talk about how nice a "bullet" train would be, but he's 80 and doesn't think he'll get a chance to ride on one. (He's a big rail fan.)


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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 05:32 PM
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19. Maybe you won't live there in a decade or three.
Maybe you'll be taking the bus.

Tesha

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 04:41 PM
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9. no....the passenger car will be around for the foreseeable future
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 05:34 PM
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21. Sure, but you'll need cinderblocks to hold it up once the tires rot. (NT)
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 05:05 PM
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12. Likely either that or, the automobile will be the end of the age of the human.
There is still, of course, need for personal transport. But its form must change.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 05:06 PM
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14. No. But its the beginning of the end of the dominance of the internal combustion engine.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 05:06 PM
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15. The oil companies need to go next...

they have way too much control over foreign policy.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 05:07 PM
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16. It won't happen until something else provides the utility at a lower cost
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 05:35 PM
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22. In 2007 I bought a Honda Accord and when I signed I said to myself
this is the last internal combustion engine I would probably ever buy.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 07:18 PM
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31. We've had the same sort of thoughts about our current stable of horse(power). (NT)
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 05:37 PM
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24. nope, people still ride horses because they enjoy them
so I will drive cars as long as i can. It may not be my day to day but driving a nice sports car is a fun experience.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 06:16 PM
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26. More profound and yet, less scary.
It's the beginning of the end of the age of oil.

Automobiles and such, maybe, maybe not.

However, we were never going to have enough resources or energy on this planet to provide a western
lifestyle (two cars, home in the 'burbs, supermarkets with cheap food year 'round), for all 7 Billion
of us, not to mention the likely 12 Billion in less than 40 years.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 06:34 PM
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28. I hope so...
I hope so...

I imagine that one hundred years ago, a lot of people on horseback thought that the Auto Mobile would never work and found hundreds if not thousands of reasons to scoff at it, ridicule it, and oppose it-- some reasons good, some bad. But in the end, we evolved to the needs of a changing world.

I'm confident we can do it again.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 06:39 PM
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29. i hope not
and no, I don't think it will. The end of the automobile as we know it, perhaps, and I hope and think the internal combustion engine's days are numbered, but I disagree with the article's suggestion that the technology of the automobile no longer makes sense. I am all for more public transportation, on local, regional, and national scales, but I think there remains a great value in automobility as well.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 07:21 PM
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33. Not hardly.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 09:46 AM
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35. Not everyone has the luxury of living in a city where mass transit is feasible. nt
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