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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 11:30 AM
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David Horowitz and his constant barrage on universities does make one think
I've seen the thread about Horowitz and his new book, and in case you haven't, here it is.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5219513&mesg_id=5219513

I think it's time for a little look at the indoctrination that the right wing does.

But yet, you can complain about the "indoctrination" of the left wing, but yet the "indoctrination" that the right wing poses is almost taboo to touch, and why? Because it comes in a little package known as religion.

Now, I'm not going to say that religion itself is bad, because I don't believe that. This thread is about the indoctrination that the right wing does through it's manipulation of religion.

I want to know some things:

When have universities banded together to push liberal policies?
Can't name a time when that happened? That's OK, neither can I.
But, I do know that Christian Right leaders and churches have banded together to form the Arlington Group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlington_Group

Is there a secret society of universities to coordinate creation and dispersal of liberal ideas?
I don't think there is. But there a secret society of social conservative political and religious leaders to coordinate creation and dispersal of conservative ideas.
It's called the Council for National Policy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_For_National_Policy

Can you raise a hand and say something that might debunk a claim your liberal professor makes?
Can you do the same for a right wing religious leader?

If you disagree with a liberal professor who really is biased, what's the worst he's going to do to you? Give you a bad grade?
If you disagree with a right wing religious leader, what is he going to do to you? Make you feel ashamed? Tell you horrible things? Disturb your faith in religion and God?

And when was the last time you saw young children getting indoctrinated universities?
Can you same the same thing about mega-church controlled by a right wing religious leader?

The potential for indoctrination, actual indoctrination, and punishment for resisting indoctrination is not highest within universities, it comes from the places of faith that right wing leaders control.

You can stop projecting now, right wing. And we can stop acting like right wing religious indoctrination is a taboo subject, let's get out and discuss it.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 11:38 AM
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1. Education makes liberals like religion makes ignorance. Those with higher levels of education
naturally drift towards progressive 'left' views of social issues. Even Karl Rove admitted that.

First of all, academics surely do tilt Democratic. But, according to political strategists for both parties, so does the entire pool of people from which academics are, of professional necessity, chosen — the pool of people holding advanced degrees. As Karl Rove says, “As people do better, they start voting like Republicans — unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing.” (Nicholas Lemann, “Bush’s Trillions,” The New Yorker, 2/19/2001; sadly TNY doesn’t keep this online.)
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 11:39 AM
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2. And let us not forget American Council of Trustees and Alumni:
http://www.mediatransparency.com/story.php?storyID=34

In November 2001, the American Council of Trustees and Alumni (ACTA), an organization co-founded by Lynne Cheney, the wife of the vice president, and Sen. Joseph Lieberman, issued a report entitled "Defending Civilization: How Our Universities Are Failing America and What Can Be Done About It," which branded university professors as the weak link in the fight against terrorism.



http://www.mediatransparency.com/recipientprofile.php?recipientID=16



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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 11:45 AM
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3. Right-wingers/authoritarians often base perception within psychological projection
They impute to others, especially those they see as enemies (long list), that which they themselves embody, and/or are guilty of. The ones they attack represent their fears of the 'other' within.

In other words, Horowitz may decry such liberal "conspiracies" that don't actually exist while simultaneously representing a right wing movement that indeed does have many indoctrinating stratagems that teach obedience to authority/hierarchy, couched within religious "traditions."
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 12:09 PM
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4. How many liberal Business Schools are there?
This is a myth about universities in an attempt to push a right wing agenda. It's the same as the Liberal media cry. Do you really think the accounting professor is an extreme lefty socialist?
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 12:55 PM
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5. Bump
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