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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:52 PM Original message |
LBJ was more progressive than JFK |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
1. Wilt Chamberlain |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
43. Not if you compare |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #43 |
59. What if |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. That would be cheating, |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:47 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. I agree. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. I suppose |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. I'd add 2.5: |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
2. Funny, I was talking about that with a friend last night. |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
3. Agreed. Without Vietnam (a big blot, regardless that he didn't start the war) |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Yep. Say what you want about LBJ... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
4. So, you're saying that LBJ was more progressive than a dead president? |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. I'm saying LBJ's record in office was more progressive than JFK's record in office |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Explain how JFK was more conservative? |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. JFK was more hesistant to help the poor and enact civil rights legislation... |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. You seriously need to expand on things. |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:09 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. I laid out what LBJ did in my OP |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. You're comparing apples and oranges. Those were two completely |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. He could have easily sided with his Southern colleagues and stonewalled... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. No, he couldn't have done that. Johnson was a politician and a shrewd one. |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. You have a good point... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. If you read the Kennedy docs, what you find is JFK placing controversial |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. I miss them too. I also wish RFK would have lived... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Yep. The day he was killed, my mom and I were resting after |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. San Jose? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. We lived off of Fremont between Hwy 9 and Wolf Rd at the time |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. I wasn't alive at the time.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. I was just a little girl but my mom was very active. What I do remember |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. In that, you and I agree |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
5. My assassination Conspiracies keep me from seeing your point. |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. If you're serious... |
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Politicalboi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #9 |
47. Do you really think |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:07 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. That was in 1962 |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:11 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Kennedy's Last approval rating before Dying was 63%. |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. So that's evidence that he killed JFK? |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:24 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. No, it shows that there he couldnt have beaten Kennedy in a 1964 Primary. |
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Politicalboi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #48 |
61. No it was in October of 63 |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:50 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. October of 62 |
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Politicalboi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
46. Me too |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #46 |
57. Tell me how LBJ was connected to Lee Harvey Oswald |
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Politicalboi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #57 |
65. I am not saying LBJ |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 07:13 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Circumstantial evidence is all you have |
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PM Martin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
10. Vietnam aside, he was more progressive than JFK. |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
13. Not true. But he was more effective. |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Yeah, Vietnam tarnished him, I'm not arguing with that |
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MrMickeysMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
17. I'm not sure you have the complete story on LBJ- |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. What sins against JFK? |
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MrMickeysMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. How about the reversal the National Security Action Memoranddum #263? |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Ah, makes sense. Don't get me wrong, Johnson's record is mixed precisely because of Vietnam.... |
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MrMickeysMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
50. I think it hastened his own death... |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:16 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. He was from a poor family, and he sympathized with the underdog... |
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MrMickeysMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 10:02 PM Response to Reply #52 |
69. Quite possibly... |
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tblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Whatever his reasons, he took a huge personal and political risk to do the right thing. |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Yep. He delivered the South to the GOP |
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kiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. What exactly do you mean by that? |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. How many people would have the guts to sign the Civil Rights Act? |
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kiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Agreed. It took a lot of courage to make that decision, |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Yeah, Truman's decision created the Dixiecrats which nearly cost Truman.. |
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tblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
20. I have tremendous respect for LBJ for this reason. JFK did not take the risks Johnson did. |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:12 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Agreed. Bobby and Ted were/ are the real progressives in the Kennedy clan |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
35. what's with your anti-JFK vendetta? |
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ConcernedCanuk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
37. JFK was sorta busy with the Cuban Missile Crisis, then sideswiped by the Bay of Pigs thing |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Castrate the MIC? He was expanding it with the space program... |
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Politicalboi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
44. LBJ helped kill JFK |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. You have no evidence that LBJ in any way helped kill JFK. |
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Politicalboi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #45 |
54. I could give you sites to go to |
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kiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:17 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. LBJ would have been impeached as VP? |
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Politicalboi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 07:13 PM Response to Reply #53 |
67. I wish I could find something on it |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
55. A false comparison |
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ReliantJ (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
58. JFK>LBJ. Woot! |
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