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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 10:43 PM
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A disturbing article: " Why the Dark Secrets of the First Gulf War Are Still Haunting Us "
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Why the Dark Secrets of the First Gulf War Are Still Haunting Us

By Nora Eisenberg, AlterNet. Posted February 27, 2009.

Americans, and our leaders, would do well to take a hard look at the war that we continue to love only because we never got to see it.


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Despite our inability to detect it at the time, U.S. prosecution of the 1991 war with Iraq relied on all the now-familiar and discredited strategies used to promote the present war -- with equally disastrous and far-reaching results.

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Two months after the war ended, the editors of 15 news outlets protested to Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney about the Pentagon's control. But the damage had been done. The real war was never reported to the American public.

What We Missed and Need to Remember

Americans never saw images of even one of the 100,000 civilians killed in the aerial war, just coordinates of precision-guided strikes, the majority of which missed their marks.

We never learned that the government's goals had changed from expelling Saddam's forces from Kuwait to destroying Iraq's infrastructure. Or what a country with a destroyed infrastructure looks like -- with most of its electricity, telecommunications, sewage system, dams, railroads and bridges blown away.


MUCH more at link

prepare to be disturbed/upset

I had to take a break just reading the thing

LINK

USA started it's destruction of Iraq at the hands of the Bush Family two decades ago

Read the article and weep - literally

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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 10:54 PM
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1. yes, they did.
And I knew most of this stuff before I read the article. However, I don't live inside the US, and have had a much different view of American History since the last world war than most inside the US.

There has been nothing gentle, generous or heroic about US actions inside the middle east, and there are too many dead to ever atone for.

If you want to know why the US is hated, you don't have to look far.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 10:55 PM
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2. I knew that war was bullshit from before day one.
One of my college roommates had a penpal who was the international editor for the Kumaiti Times.She was telling him in her letters that there was going to be a war there six months before Iraq invaded Kuwait over their side-slant drilling into Iraqs Oil fields and stealing their oil.
When poppabush started selling the war the wway they did I knew then that Iraq and America were fucked.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 11:14 PM
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3. yeah - I heard that thing about the slant-drilling too
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I am pretty sure I even saw some graphics and specifications on how it was done

I wonder if it is still going on - - -

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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 01:09 AM
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9. I would be very surprised if it wasn't.
All Saddam did was destroy the well heads.Those were easily replaced and brought back on line.Hell,they bragged about getting them back on line quickly.(Remember all those shows on TV about Red Adair and the oil fire fighters?)They have been stealing Iraqs oil since 1992 in all likelyhood.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 10:09 AM
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11. I did a fair bit of googling - couldn't find any suggestion that it is still going on
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But what I DID discover was interesting

Numerous sites indicate that the USA created the whole fuss between Iraq and Kuwait for an excuse to get it's toenails into Iraq

Further articles say that the USA "turned" on Saddam as soon as he had "done his business" with Iran

In short

The USA is CREATING conflicts around the world to satisfy their own ends

I wonder how they are gonna "get" Canada . . . .

They must have a plan of some sort

I mean, we got lots of oil,

and water . .

:scared:

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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 11:24 PM
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4. I read a lot of this stuff in Robert Fisk's "The Great War for Civilisation"
And I found myself having to put the book down frequently - not just regarding Desert Storm, but, so much else that Americans just don't know regarding the middle east.

Such as the "Highway of Death" - Highway 80 between Kuwait City and Basra. American forces halted the retreating columns of the retreating Iraqi army, and firebombed the entire stretch. Nobody took a count of how many died - Iraqi soldiers, Palestinian conscripts, or Kuwaiti captives.

The entire war was sanitized by complete media willingness to be controlled by the military. No mention is ever made of the forty days of indiscriminate bombing that pummeled Iraq before ground operations ever began, including the destruction of a shelter housing civilians - killing almost 500 men, women, and children. The gigantic upsurge in Iraqi cancer rates as a result of our use of DU munitions is never spoken of.

If Dubya's assertion that Iraq was a threat to the united States were even infinitesimally true, I would have been utterly unable to blame them for it. What we did there was a crime easily on par with the whole of the Vietnam war.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 11:38 PM
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5. stuff like this makes me NOT proud to be a human being
Edited on Sun Mar-08-09 11:39 PM by ConcernedCanuk
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We kill our own race out of greed

USA wasn't "protecting" anyone

it was, AND STILL IS just pure blood lust in some cases

(sigh)

if there really is such a thing as reincarnation

there is ONE species I do NOT want to come back as

human

I cannot harbor any pride belonging to my own species

(sigh) - again - -

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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 11:51 PM
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6. The really sickening thing?
We didn't even wage the war for money. That'd be plenty sickening in and of itself, sure. Oh, there was money involved, but it was hardly our usual war of domination for resources and vassals. No, we destroyed Iraq, and left Kuwait to handle its own affairs.

"The specter of Vietnam has been buried forever in the desert sands of the Arabian peninsula" - President George H.W. Bush

The Gulf War was fought to prove that the United States had the balls and capability to kick someone's ass, anyone's ass. We weren't there to protect Kuwait (in fact we were there to protect Saudi Arabia, if we were protecting anyone). We were there to regain our military's glory, over the charred corpses of the Iraqi people, the oppression of whom we had been funding for a decade prior.

As for Kuwait? After the United States left, the Emirate engaged in a mass murder of Palestinians who had been living in Kuwait. They were accused of collaboration with the Iraqis - even though Palestinians had been first and foremost in the Kuwaiti resistance agaisnt the Iraqi occupation while the emirate was living and dining richly abroad. Nearly 20,000 Palestinians were expelled, killed, and "vanished". Almost as many Kuwaitis became permanant exiles because of a lack of records documenting their native status.

All of them were the poor. Cheaper labor was imported from Africa, Pakistan, and the Phillipines to replace the newly-expelled Kuwaiti poor.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 12:31 AM
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7. yes we knew -- W's war was deja vu all over again
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 12:33 AM
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8. The Russian deal, forced the moved up of the war by 24 hours.
Gorbachev had convinced Saddam to vacate Kuwait, and he was doing so when the US hit. The US had to move up the invasion by at least 24 hours do to this withdraw. We know this by the actions of the Navy and the Marines. Off the coast of Kuwait, Iraq had planted old fashion but effective mines. When mines exist, the invading force leave them there till the day before the invasion (D-1) when the mines are removed so the invading ships can get to the beach. The navy tried to force a way through those mines on the day of the invasion for they had NOT be removed. Why? Because the invasion date had been moved up at least a day and thus there was no time to remove the mines. A US ship hit one of the mines and stopped any seaward assault, and the marines had to invade via the Saudi Arabia.

Thus we know the invasion was moved up one day, a act denied by the Pentagon but it is clear given the fact the Navy did NOT remove the mines (A job the navy has been doing since WWII). Why was the invasion moved up? The most logical reason is Saddam was pulling out, and the best time to hit an enemy force is as it is withdrawing. The enemy forces would have withdrawn from their defensive positions and be in open country, given US Air Superiority an easy target. Saddam's plan appears to have been to engage in an infantry fight as had the Egyptians in the Sinai in the Yom Kipper War. Light Infantry with anti-tank weapons, fighting from prepared positions, with cover from artillery and tanks. Could have worked, but given the decision to withdraw, the artillery was pulled out first, then the infantry then the tanks. This forced Saddam to order a tank attack against the Americans to Cover the rest of his forces withdraw, and lead to huge US roll up in tank kills (From the pictures I saw mostly T-55s, but I heard reports of T-62s and T-72s (the T-62 came out as a success for the Iraqi forces, the rest of the T-62s had run their engines to keep warm, the engines were detected by US heat detectors and destroyed, one T-62 commander did NOT run his engine and when the US went by the "Destroyed" unit he fired one of his rounds and destroyed one of the only US tanks hit by anything in the War, the T-62 was quickly destroyed but it did hit a M1, such an incident is NOT explicate in the reports of US losses of m1 during Desert Strom but a couple of the losses could be this incident).

Loses of M1 in Desert Strom (again none are started to have been lost to a T-62, but the round may NOT have knocked out the M1 or it is covered by one of the incidents listed but under another cause):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams#Operation_Desert_Storm

Anyway, back to my topic, the US moved up the Invasion to hit the Iraqis as their withdrew, the US forces hit Saddam's forces at the best time to do the most damage. My favorite story was of the "Death Road" with all of the destroyed trucks. This was shown to be a huge victory for US forces. But these trucks were heading for IRAQ not KUWAIT and thus NOT a factor in the war to free Kuwait (Known in some circles "As the war to make the world safe for Monarchies" a play on Wilson's WWI comment that WWI was a war fought "to make the world safe for Democracy"). When I first saw it I realized something was wrong, not only were they no bodies, but the trucks were in line. When I was in the Military and driving trucks, when we were attacked we went into "herringbone formation" i.e. if the truck in front went to the left you went to the right, thus NOT giving a straight target to the enemy. This had been introduced into the Army during Vietnam (and it was used informally i.e. not doctrine since WWII). It was found to be the best way to minimized losses in an attack. The fact the trucks were NOT in that formation told me one simple fact, the area had to much sand for the trucks to operate off road so the drivers stopped the trucks and headed for the nearby desert for protection. Later on it came out what I had guessed was what had happened, the drivers and their passengers all abandoned the trucks and watch them be attacked by US Planes. Once the show was over they walked the rest of the way to Iraq. The trucks were gone, but the operators and the troops trained in their use were not. Another fact ignored since 1990.


Bush and Company wanted that war to get a base in the Middle East. No one wanted the US, so Bush sr forced the issue and the House of Saud fell for it. When it became clear even to Bush jr that the situation was unsustainable (bid Laden had to much support do to the US forces being in Saudi Arabia) Bush and company looked for a replacement, and Iraq looked like the best opportunity. Thus Bush's desire to attack Iraq even when it was clear bid Laden had used Afghanistan to attack the US NOT Iraq.

AS to aerial bombs, that has been US doctrine since WWI (and we learned it from the French) and that was to drop as much bombs as you can on the enemy no mater the costs in terms of civilian deaths. The Germans actually had a more humane method of war, when it comes to civilians, do to their lack of industrial might to produce the bombs needed. The British Blitz was no were near the level of what Britain wanted to do and later did to Germany (In fact British Bomber Command, in the early days of WWII complained of the restrictions imposed on it, Bomber Command wanted to bombs cities and the Cities civilian populations while FDR had told Churchill NOT to do it, only when a German unit accidental bombed London did Churchill un-leased Bomber Command, as to the German unit that first bombed London, the members of the unit was court martial-ed for violating a order, Britain made an effort to ignore the court marital and continue to bomb German Cities, which the US followed when it entered the war in December 1941. The US Air Force preferred daylight bombing but still through nothing of killing civilians, the US liked bombing factories and if the houses next to it was hit that was those people's bad luck).

The US has always preferred to hit the enemy with bombs and artillery, even at the cost of Civilian lives. Some Philippines citizens never forgave the US for the salvage use of Artillery during the taking of Manila in 1945, a Japanese unit had decided to hold out in the city, and the US decided to drive them out, but to reduce US losses artillery was always being called in even if Civilians were still in harms way. We did the same in Korea and Vietnam. The US has always preferred to kill other countries civilians for they do NOT vote in US elections, US troops do, as do their families. Foreign Civilians rarely have family members in the US, so are viewed as less worthy of living then people who vote in US elections.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 10:23 AM
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12. I believe it - from what the USA has been doing for the last few decades
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I'd almost believe ANYTHING evil and sick about the USA's military shenanigans around the globe

Instead of waffling and backpedaling they shoulda been throwing DOZENS in jail as soon as the Abu Graihb abuse hit the news.

But no -

obfuscate, lie, hide, excuse - whatever.

THE WORLD DOES NOT BELIEVE THE USA ANYMORE.

The World celebrated the election of Barack Obama,

but his inability to end the wars in the Middle East will be his downfall as far as world opinion goes.

As long as the USA has it's forces occupying other people's countries,

the USA is just creating MORE enemies for the future . . .

and sooner or later, there will be more enemies than friends

if not already - - Time to go home USA.

Take care or your own people.

I hear they are hurtin' . .
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 01:19 AM
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10. k&r and thank you! nt
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 10:49 AM
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13. Is killing 100,000 third-world people with sophisticated weaponry costing trillions of dollars
borrowed from others the epitome of what this nation has become and does best? :shrug: :P
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 12:01 PM
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17. a person or thing that is typical of or possesses to a high degree the features of a whole class
Edited on Mon Mar-09-09 12:03 PM by ConcernedCanuk
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/epitome?qsrc=2888

epitome

a person or thing that is typical of or possesses to a high degree the features of a whole class



so - in a word?

YUP!

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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 10:57 AM
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14. Youtube the Carlin clip "We Like War" re the first Gulf slaughter...
And America's penchant for authoritarianism, machismo and militancy. Spot on.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 05:14 PM
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20. There's a couple of clips/links
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 11:53 AM
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15. Watch it that site may ne infected
AVG reports an attempted script injection
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 11:57 AM
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16. Alertnet infected? - have you got a link for that?
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 12:08 PM
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19. scripts are scripts
Some scripts do bad things, but mostly, scripts perform simple site actions. From a quick scan, the scripts on that page are from Google, Reddit and BlogAds and Digg.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 12:03 PM
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18. K&R
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rgbecker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 06:29 PM
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21. What do you expect from a country that won't even provide health care for it citizens?
Just finished reading "The
Commanders" (Woodward) and its clear it was Papa Bush's baby from the start without any input from any one. Apparently the few meetings had were between the yes men Cheney, Scowcroft, and Powell (Who at least made an attempt to stay away as soon as he saw it was going to be war regardless of his input) were just bullshit sessions like you used to have before you grew up.

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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 08:03 PM
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22. now now, them PNACers need those billions for KILLING people
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Spending those billions of dollars to keep people healthy . . .

well really - think about it

WHAT A WASTE!!

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agent46 Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 08:09 PM
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23. I saw stacks
I saw stacks (thousands) of photographs of the real gulf war taken by combatants deep in-country. No words.
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